Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Leoat12]

To be more precise, Inoue already decided to end Slam Dunk with the end of Sannou since he started Inter High arc. He said that he can't write the story which is more exciting than Sannou arc.

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He mentioned about the Slam Dunk's ending on the Japanese talk show, called Top Runner, on 2000.

Now I remember you were the source.
Well, I agree with him when it comes to something more exciting than Sannou arc. There wasn't any way, indeed.

He also said that he would make a sequel anytime, right? I doubt, though.

 

[Kaizou 10]

Kurobas characters are handled much better than those in Slam Dunk. Consider the fact that at the end of the day no one barely even knew anything about the other players on the team beyond just the same five. In Kurobas, we not only spend extensive amounts of time with the GoM, but also with the associated partners and then on the teams themselves many of the other characters. This makes each game much more enriched and enjoyable. Slam Dunk never gave this impression at all. Slam Dunk may have the edge in being a bit more realistic basketball, but as an overall product that can easily be sacrificed if well done characters, excellent paced games, and enjoyable off court action is done in a well, believable, and intense manner. Slam Dunk may have been last generations highlight but for basketball series in this modern and contemporary age, Kurobas is easily the new gold standard that all future basketball series will be gauged against.

Well, everyone has different taste on manga; so, I can't really say anything back to you.

HOWEVER, even how much you tried to convince, you can't really convince other people that Kuroko is better than Slam Dunk.

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He also said that he would make a sequel anytime, right? I doubt, though.

He did mentioned that he wish to write the sequel of Slam Dunk on someday; but, it has been more than 10 years since he mentioned that. Plus, he is currently working on two series (Vagabond and Real), so I think there is really low possibility that he'll write the sequel of Slam Dunk.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Kurobas characters are handled much better than those in Slam Dunk. Consider the fact that at the end of the day no one barely even knew anything about the other players on the team beyond just the same five. In Kurobas, we not only spend extensive amounts of time with the GoM, but also with the associated partners and then on the teams themselves many of the other characters. This makes each game much more enriched and enjoyable. Slam Dunk never gave this impression at all. Slam Dunk may have the edge in being a bit more realistic basketball, but as an overall product that can easily be sacrificed if well done characters, excellent paced games, and enjoyable off court action is done in a well, believable, and intense manner. Slam Dunk may have been last generations highlight but for basketball series in this modern and contemporary age, Kurobas is easily the new gold standard that all future basketball series will be gauged against.

I... Have you even read Slam Dunk? Or more than that, have you even read Kuroko? Because I can't even begin to see how this works. Kuroko isn't a new gold standard for basketball comics. If anything it can be the new gold standard for fanworks and female fanbases, a la prince of tennis, but really until it scratches the surface of what SD accomplished, both creatively and commercially, I don't think your claim is even worth making.

 

[SharkBait]

I... Have you even read Slam Dunk? Or more than that, have you even read Kuroko? Because I can't even begin to see how this works. Kuroko isn't a new gold standard for basketball comics. If anything it can be the new gold standard for fanworks and female fanbases, a la prince of tennis, but really until it scratches the surface of what SD accomplished, both creatively and commercially, I don't think your claim is even worth making.

Yes after checking out Kurobas, I looked into and read all of Slam Dunk (in mid2013) and started and dropped Real. There is just a large contrast between Kurobas and Slam Dunk. Perhaps its because we read it at different times or the nostalgia effect is rather strong in this thread, but from my point of view if both Kurobas and Slam Dunk are measured at the same time, then Kurobas offers the more wholesome and superior experience. I will say Slam Dunk may beat it slightly in the art department and rules, but otherwise, the more refined writing, storytelling, and excitement is found in Kurobas. I dont know, I just love Kurobas and Haikyuu!!

 

[Kaizou 10]

The second preview for upcoming Haikyuu!! animation:

 

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hm, I've read both recently and I'd say that I enjoyed more of Slam Dunk than Kuroko, but I haven't finished/caught up with either yet. I will say though, Slam Dunk has had much greater cultural influence than Kuroko, which isn't to say Kuroko has none as it is rather big, so take that as you will.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Kurobas characters are handled much better than those in Slam Dunk. Consider the fact that at the end of the day no one barely even knew anything about the other players on the team beyond just the same five. In Kurobas, we not only spend extensive amounts of time with the GoM, but also with the associated partners and then on the teams themselves many of the other characters. This makes each game much more enriched and enjoyable. Slam Dunk never gave this impression at all. Slam Dunk may have the edge in being a bit more realistic basketball, but as an overall product that can easily be sacrificed if well done characters, excellent paced games, and enjoyable off court action is done in a well, believable, and intense manner. Slam Dunk may have been last generations highlight but for basketball series in this modern and contemporary age, Kurobas is easily the new gold standard that all future basketball series will be gauged against.

Wow, taste is taste, but how Kaizou said, nothing that you said can convince someone that Kuroko no Basket can even compete with Slam Dunk in quality and popularity, and seems like you not even have idea how Slam Dunk is popular and relevant even today, comparing a huge masterpiece and influent manga with other that is very good but just much popular because have a anime and that appealed for "fujoshi public" is just nonsense.

And also, nobody here is talking because have a "nostalgia feelings", and in fact, you dropped REAL, other great and popular basketball manga created by Inoue.

 

[Kaizou 10]

in fact, you dropped REAL, other great and popular basketball manga created by Inoue.

Well, Real is more of a mixture of slice-of-life and basketball, so I think people who don't like deep realistic story may not favor this one.

 

[perroloco]

C'mon guys we all have opinions, Sharkbait just prefers Kuroko over Slam Dunk, I mean I have read SD and seen some episodes of Kuroko and they have nothing in common.. Ok, they are "Basketball" but Kuroko is like basketball with super-powers and SD is realistic basketball, it could even have been in a seinen magazine.

I kinda get some of his points, it is true that you don't see other players develop in SD, IIRC is pretty much the 5 mains and in some of the last games Megane, and maybe he just prefers to have more variety in the characters.

Some people are saying Kuroko is Fujoshi bait, I agree but that doesn't mean Slam Dunk wasn't Fujoshi bait, it was, though I gotta agree that Inoue didn't really please the fujoshis the same way Kuroko's author does.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

Yes after checking out Kurobas, I looked into and read all of Slam Dunk (in mid2013) and started and dropped Real. There is just a large contrast between Kurobas and Slam Dunk. Perhaps its because we read it at different times or the nostalgia effect is rather strong in this thread, but from my point of view if both Kurobas and Slam Dunk are measured at the same time, then Kurobas offers the more wholesome and superior experience. I will say Slam Dunk may beat it slightly in the art department and rules, but otherwise, the more refined writing, storytelling, and excitement is found in Kurobas. I dont know, I just love Kurobas and Haikyuu!!

I'm not much of one for nostalgia, really. Heck, I didn't even come to Slam Dunk until Viz started doing it. Don't get me wrong, I like both titles, but I can't even see how you'd describe Kuroko's writing as refined. It's become something excellent by now, but that title was ROUGH for a good chunk of its pre-anime life. It took a sizable reinvention visually to appeal to its current audience, along with some clever pandering.

Still, don't let me affect your opinion, as it seems better informed than, say, your Stealth Symphony pre-release favouritism, and yeah, both Kuroko and High Kyuu!! are good comics worthy of love, I just don't see how Kuroko could hold a candle to what is, with good reason, considered one of the masterpieces of the shonen demographic, and one of the most successful comics of all time.

 

[Oberon]

Jump #14:
Tokyo Wonder Boys:


Stealth Symphony:


Hq!!:


Nisekoi:

 

[SharkBait]

The one in Tokyo Wonder Boys with the reddish hair reminds me of Rin from Free! Like.

Stealth Symphony looks fantastic litrally like a great painting even.

 

[Pietro]

From the preview TWB seems so epical!!I hope it go well.

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What this say about World trigger?https://twitter.com/W_Trigger_off

 

[Kaizou 10]

What this say about World trigger?https://twitter.com/W_Trigger_off

Which one? You need to be more specific.

 

[Googlez_kun]

I'm more surprised about the fact that people still argue with Sharkbait about taste.

TWB's art looks interesting. All three color pages (the cover, the page, and the spread) look different.

 

[101nemesis]

They are using Adidas so openly in TWB, on the jerseys, shoes and even the official balls. The placement of the brand's name is so apparent. They probably got the rights to use the brand's name.
Amazing artwork though, irrespective of how "pretty" the characters look.

 

[FanOfAniManga]

What this say about World trigger?https://twitter.com/W_Trigger_off

If you're talking about this one, I think it's announcing a promo in which you get a copy of a digital fanbook "World Trigger: Hidden World" with the purchase of WT volume 3 at the Jump Bookstore.

 

[Asgaroth]

who was the artist of TWB again? Looks like another bishoujo series with hit potential. somehow i wish for older series like gintama and bleach to end to make more room for these incredible new series in this batch. all of them look promising to me, too bad not all of them will make the cut.

 

[Kaizou 10]

who was the artist of TWB again?

Date Tsunehiro (newbie)

 

[taker2]

Kaizou 10 did you read illegal rare chapter 4 and stealth symphony chapter 2? If yes, then how were they?