Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Pietro]

I don't know what you think,but I'm really enjoying Black clover.
If you just read the manga without thinking too much, you would discover that it's better than you expected,and I'm not joking

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Black clover
BNH
???(A series that is still unknown)
New Big 3??

 

[Leoat12]

I don't know what you think,but I'm really enjoying Black clover.
If you just read the manga without thinking too much, you would discover that it's better than you expected,and I'm not joking

---------- Post added at 07:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:41 PM ----------

Black clover
BNH
???(A series that is still unknown)
New Big 3??

We discussed it here in the past, we are not fans of "reading without thinking".

Where is One Piece? lol
Do you think that it is going to end in the next 10 years? BnHA and Black Cover can end before it. lol

 

[SharkBait]

We discussed it here in the past, we are not fans of "reading without thinking".

Where is One Piece? lol
Do you think that it is going to end in the next 10 years? BnHA and Black Cover can end before it. lol

One Piece has been and is on decline. BnHA and BLack Clover are swiftly on the rise, which strongly suggests and highly implies that at the current rate both would surpass One Piece.

 

[xAsum0x]

BnH is definitley the next big thing, cant say the same for Black Clover, gotta see how it sells

 

[jagman1x3]

One Piece has been and is on decline. BnHA and BLack Clover are swiftly on the rise, which strongly suggests and highly implies that at the current rate both would surpass One Piece.

Well, (Black Clover = One Piece + Naruto + Fairy Tail + Magi + Hunter x Hunter + Attack on Titan) > One Piece, so yeah, I guess the math does check out.

 

[Pietro]

We discussed it here in the past, we are not fans of "reading without thinking".

Where is One Piece? lol
Do you think that it is going to end in the next 10 years? BnHA and Black Cover can end before it. lol

If you do it you will discover that its much better.
About Black clover and BNH,I can them surpass 10 years of serialization easily

 

[susanoo13]

At the first 4 chapters I can understand the similarities Bleack clover would share with Naruto and with Fairy tail, yes, but having poor people on the far sides of a town isn't something AoT invented, a wall inside a city where the highest class lives is also not invented there AFAIK. As soon as we see a transforming man it's a ripoff of HxH,not to mention a ripoff of the Old testament.

There is a very thick margin between "reading with thinking" to "reading with x-ray glasses for instant comparison to see any idea as original" and now that a dungeon has appeared than it also ripped-off Magi. If what you're looking is for fresh and new ideas about how to tackle the shonen genre, this ain't it for sure, and I quite enjoy it for what it is and that's generic and fun. Some might look for a more sophisticated series, myself included, and would enjoy them more(Magi, BnHA, Gintama, add your own ones since I'm curious about it), and some look at the character enjoying what kind of crazy events could unfold with such a cast and how will they deal with it and with eachother.

About it surpassing One piece...downright impossible is all I can say, we'll get a much less hyperbole view at things at the second week of June once the volumes have had a week or 2 on Oricon

 

[Covers]

Jump Next!! 2015 Vol. 2 HQ:



Kuroko No Basket - Extra Game Color Page:

 

[Txapeldun]

One Piece has been and is on decline. BnHA and BLack Clover are swiftly on the rise, which strongly suggests and highly implies that at the current rate both would surpass One Piece.

Earth calling Sharkbait. Earth calling Sharkbait. One Piece is not on decline.

 

[conankudo]

You all are so mean , BLack Clover has once again proven itself to be

YOu've got me wrong. I do like reading BLack Clover - I said that before - and appreaciate it since the author knows how to convey "atmosphere" what is an important factor for the enjoyment of a manga in my opinion. I just mentioned the obvious - If you are reading Magi you would see the undineable

 

[OldMonkey]

Naruto Gaiden HQ poster from Jump Next.

Credits ℜai @NF

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Looking at the magazine Raws, we have that Shonen Jump trinity(Weekly Shonen Jump, V Jump, Saikyou Jump) has 11 titles with anime:
1- One Piece
2- Dragon Ball Kai
3- Naruto
4- Kuroko no Basket
5- Gintama
6- Nisekoi
7- World Trigger
8- Shokugeki no Soma
9- Assassination Classroom
10- Yu-Gi-Oh Arc V
11- Battle Spirits(I'm pissed! Majin Bone was also from Saikyou Jump, but they didn't promote it in the magazine, but now Battle Spirits does !?)

Considering others Jump series that aren't promoted in the magazine we have 14 anime from jump running at the same time:
12 - Seraph of the End
13 - Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
14 - Saint Seiya: Soul of Gold

This is definitely the Jump season!

Note: About Majin Bone, it seems like in the anime section of the magazine they talk about the next episode of the anime in relation with the manga. It seems like Majin Bone manga doesn't follow the anime story.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

I think people pointing out supposed similarities between Black Clover and other manga is ridiculous at this point. Having du Geno's, the broom gag and the Wizard King disguise is really reaching. Oh well at least Soul Catcher(s) is moving back to weekly releases.

 

[Xzone]

In the last four chapters : Franky's new invention is met with no reaction from the girls (One Piece), 3 walls separating people (Attack on Titan), Zabuza arcs (Naruto), A rival magic guild turned out to be a dark magic guild trying to revive Zeref (Fairy Tail), Biscuit disguised as normal person that need saving (HxH)

I can't wait until Asta & Noelle learn about the Law of equivalent exchange in the next chapter

You forgot the harry potter's Diagon Alley

 

[SharkBait]

Earth calling Sharkbait. Earth calling Sharkbait. One Piece is not on decline.

It is on decline. A 5% drop is alarming.

April 2015

Japanese publisher Shueisha has produced 3.8 million copies for the first printing of the 77th volume of Eiichiro Oda's One Piece pirate manga. Shueisha shipped the volume in Japan on Friday.

In November 2011, the 64th volume of the manga set a record with Japan's first 4-million print run

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/dai...manga-no.77-gets-3.8-million-print-run/.86695

 

[Stark700]

It is on decline. A 5% drop is alarming.

April 2015

Japanese publisher Shueisha has produced 3.8 million copies for the first printing of the 77th volume of Eiichiro Oda's One Piece pirate manga. Shueisha shipped the volume in Japan on Friday.

In November 2011, the 64th volume of the manga set a record with Japan's first 4-million print run

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/dai...manga-no.77-gets-3.8-million-print-run/.86695

Do you not understand that each successive volume sells less than the previous?
If you look at sales numbers, One Piece is still stable.

Total sales in week 3 for volume 64 - 2,652,700
sales as of week 3 for X volume
v70 - 2,559,632
v71 - 2,487,632
v72 - 2,354,005
v73 - 2,561,355
v74 - 2,399,428
v75 - 2,419,024
v76 - 2,656,714
v77 - 2,497,878

You'll see a drop in Bleach, Gintama, or Toriko and others. But you cannot be serious if you actually think that One Piece has actually seen a significant drop.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

It is on decline. A 5% drop is alarming.

April 2015



http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/dai...manga-no.77-gets-3.8-million-print-run/.86695

Did you purposely forgot this part? "Aside from print publications, [Shueisha] also distributes its comics digitally, and our sales channels are increasing. We plan to release a digital version of volume 77 in May."

 

[SharkBait]

Did you purposely forgot this part? "Aside from print publications, [Shueisha] also distributes its comics digitally, and our sales channels are increasing. We plan to release a digital version of volume 77 in May."

That line doesnt specifically suggest that one piece sales is increasing. All it seems to suggest is that they are increasing the number of places where manga volumes will be sold (a sales channel)

 

[Bigivelfhq]

That line doesnt specifically suggest that one piece sales is increasing. All it seems to suggest is that they are increasing the number of places where manga volumes will be sold (a sales channel)

No. That line says, that the reason why they reduced 200k in the print number is due to other sales channels being increasing. So it is no real decrease like you're saying.
If I remember correctly, One Piece is the 2nd digitally best sold Shueisha series. Just behind of JoJo's.

 

[SharkBait]

No. That line says, that the reason why they reduced 200k in the print number is due to other sales channels being increasing. So it is no real decrease like you're saying.
If I remember correctly, One Piece is the 2nd digitally best sold Shueisha series. Just behind of JoJo's.

No! That is not what it is saying. Youre implying that "digital" would be the only other channel increasing, but they clearly use it in the plural which still suggests traditional print channels, maybe even others are increasing. New retailers and stores could be opening, maybe new mom and pop shops, etc. You would also be working off some assumption that the ones that had a 4mln print run didnt have any digital copies sold which I dont think there is any evidence present to suggest to any of us that the previous volumes, volumes dating back to 2011, truly did not sell digitally, which is impossible if, accoding to your post One Piece is popular digitally.

Additionally based on what was previously posted by Stark700

Each successive volume sells less than the previous

We cant simply assume that the loss of 200K print copy buyers are truly being replaced with digital buyers, we would be ignoring the natural buyer attrition process. For example if volume 68 had 4mln print buyers then we would have 200K digital buyers with a grande total of 4.2mln copies total. Now we have with v77 3.8mln print buyers and 200K digital buyers which gives a total of 4mln. We have lost 200K buyers in the process.