Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Hunt]

 

[Mammo]

pochi kuro last chapter: http://plus.shonenjump.com/client_i....html?tw=1&lin=1&cid=SHSA_JP01PLUS00002096_57



in other jump plus news tonkatsu dj agetarou is getting an anime, i didn't even know it was popular

 

[Stark700]

Successful manga will always get haters. Just look at Naruto, World Trigger, and Bleach.

 

[SharkBait]

The next issue (37-38) will gonna be One Piece, so I think that Bleach will get a cover in issue 39.

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Did not he said that after the Boruto movie he will be done with Naruto?

I don't discard they doing a "GT" in the anime though. They'll probably gonna milk it until it dries.

I hope so. Konohamaru deserves his own long filler arc, as does the reunited Team 7, Kiba's team + Naruto needs more time, I loved what they did once the canon stuff of part 1 was done. So many good arcs after it.

 

[WyldViolet]

Well, it's easy: It is a new manga, so there arent that many fans out there, who would defend the manga. Also, it is pretty revelant, because it's a running series in Shonen Jump, it's more difficult not to know BC as a SJ-fan. Most other series which also did such things, or did even worse, arent in the same situation. It's like to punch a kid. Is it fair, although there are much worse series out there? No, but it's easy, and sometimes enjoyable. Not to punch a kid, of course, to make fun of Black Clover. And I still read it, so it cant be that bad after all, compared to Fairy Tail, which I stopped reading because if its bullcrap.
It's very likely that Black Clover will stay in SJ for quite a while, and with that, the jokes will also end.

I think Fairy Tail despite its obviously glaring flaws is a far better series than Black Clover which is probably the worst series to ever get popular in WSJ history (yes, even worse than Naruto or Reborn!).
Black Clover feels like a possibly disabled extremely edgy 14 year old trying really hard to make a manga but doesn't know how to do anything himself so he just apes off of other popular manga.

 

[Pietro]

I find Black clover much better than fairy tail,and Naruto and reborn are my favorite series

 

[Lehran]

Even if I'm not as extreme about it as Rica_Patin and others are, IMHO Black Clover deserves the criticism it gets, and I don't think it's the same situation as other mainstream manga like Naruto and Bleach.

And I'm not a hater. I actually think Tabata is very talented, his art is awesome, and his skills can't go to waste. But for now I'm disappointed at this manga. Of course shounen manga always have a lot of cliches, everybody knows that, but it can easily be overlooked when an author can leave his/her personal mark on it and create a work that has his/her style, even if it's not original. That's what mainstream authors usually do, from Kishimoto to Horikoshi. So, unlike others, I don't think BC is being "naturally criticized by a generation that likes to hate popular manga" (come on, World Trigger and Boku no Hero Academia are also recent successes and they didn't attract too many plagiarism accusations when they started); I think it's just the result of Tabata not being able to leave any personal mark on his work at all, so the cliches can't be overlooked and the comparisons can't be avoided. So, even if many people enjoy it anyways, at the same time a lot of people, including me, just can't put it on the same level as any of the established Jump successful manga. That lack of a "personal twist" on the shonen tropes makes the work seem really unpolished, and because of it reading BC sometimes reminds me of the fanfiction I used to write when I was 14-15 years old... and that can't be good at all.

That's why that manga still hasn't convinced me to root for it, and I don't even consider myself a very picky reader. But, well, To Love-Ru became a success in Jump, then, even if BC really succeeds, of course it won't go down as the worst Jump success ever.

 

[WyldViolet]

Even if I'm not as extreme about it as Rica_Patin and others are, IMHO Black Clover deserves the criticism it gets, and I don't think it's the same situation as other mainstream manga like Naruto and Bleach.

And I'm not a hater. I actually think Tabata is very talented, his art is awesome, and his skills can't go to waste. But for now I'm disappointed at this manga. Of course shounen manga always have a lot of cliches, everybody knows that, but it can easily be overlooked when an author can leave his/her personal mark on it and create a work that has his/her style, even if it's not original. That's what mainstream authors usually do, from Kishimoto to Horikoshi. So, unlike others, I don't think BC is being "naturally criticized by a generation that likes to hate popular manga" (come on, World Trigger and Boku no Hero Academia are also recent successes and they didn't attract too many plagiarism accusations when they started); I think it's just the result of Tabata not being able to leave any personal mark on his work at all, so the cliches can't be overlooked and the comparisons can't be avoided. So, even if many people enjoy it anyways, at the same time a lot of people, including me, just can't put it on the same level as any of the established Jump successful manga. That lack of a "personal twist" on the shonen tropes makes the work seem really unpolished, and because of it reading BC sometimes reminds me of the fanfiction I used to write when I was 14-15 years old... and that can't be good at all.

That's why that manga still hasn't convinced me to root for it, and I don't even consider myself a very picky reader. But, well, To Love-Ru became a success in Jump, then, even if BC really succeeds, of course it won't go down as the worst Jump success ever.

To-Love Ru was fun and charming from what I remember, at least it was at first. I never read the sequel manga.
Black Clover as you said reads like a 14 year old's fan-fiction. It isn't funny, it isn't dramatic, it isn't cool, it isn't anything. It's just bad.

 

[SharkBait]

yes finally, my dreams are coming true. Im hoping Naruto and Sasuke are the best friends from Amazing Spiderman.

 

[WyldViolet]

yes finally, my dreams are coming true.

It's not going to happen, just like the Bleach and Death Note movies.
If it does happen it will be a mid budget abomination along the lines of Dragon Ball Evolution (probably even worse given the source material being Naruto of all things) because they won't be able to nail the tone in an American film.

 

[Mammo]

the last airbender & db evolution comes to mind

this will not end well

 

[Nii]

Global Moderator Notice:
The Black Cover topic is getting more and more toxic guys, please refrain from calling each other names, but also refrain from contuinously trashing a series each week. If you want to discuss Black Clover in detail, go to the manga thread, but please try to remain friendly and respectful there too.~ naruto-niichan

 

[101nemesis]

the last airbender & db evolution comes to mind

this will not end well

I never understand why movie makers try to mess with the original source material and make their own versions of it instead of actually following the source material. I feel as long as they stay true to the actual series, it should be more than enough. Heck, look at that naruto fan-video of the fight between Naruto and Lee. That was so well made.

 

[Mammo]

i think the answer is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

when big studios make movies they don't really care about the fans of the source material, they want something that appeals to the everyone

that why they change the source material, make the plot dumber & put tons of explosions, shaky cams, loud noises & crappy cgi

a generic action movie is what most people love & so that what would bring the studios most amount of money possible in the box office

 

[meeedoooz]

(probably even worse given the source material being Naruto of all things)

may i ask why do you feel the need to bash every other series you don't like this way ?!! i mean you constantly tell everyone on the plant you hate naruto but for god's sake it's starting to get annoying how you continuously bait like that your comments really make this place non enjoyable

 

[Ecchi Boy]

Akira amano just opened a official twitter account if anyone is interested

https://twitter.com/amano_akira_

 

[SharkBait]

Akira amano just opened a official twitter account if anyone is interested

https://twitter.com/amano_akira_

Omg is the goddess of boys action manga preparing to launch another hit manga?! Be still my heart.

 

[Pietro]

Lets hope is a new manga from Akira amano.Reborn was one of my favorite series.
I hope there are good news

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An anime for Eldlive?

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An anime for Eldlive maybe?

 

[De La Croissant]

Reborn was a mess. Some arcs work well, but as a whole is too inconsistent. Tsuna is a reflection of that.

 

[SharkBait]

Reborn was a mess. Some arcs work well, but as a whole is too inconsistent. Tsuna is a reflection of that.

What? Tsuna is probably the one I would pick as best jump lead character. He is kind, strong, human, multilayered, and fiercely imagined.