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It is not open-mindness, only twisted minds would allow children to have free access to pornography. They will eventually learn what it is, but childhood is not the place to learn such things. You guys had access to such things when you were children? I don't think so.
 

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there was a series in Jump Plus a couple of months ago that was suspended because of a bathroom joke that some women complained it promotes rape or something like that

Jump had to issue an apology and everything

https://shonenjumpplus.com/article/entry/heppoko_03

lesson of the day, don't ask Kentaro Yabuki to be a guest in your manga and don't ask him to draw a bathroom sign

 

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It is not open-mindness, only twisted minds would allow children to have free access to pornography. They will eventually learn what it is, but childhood is not the place to learn such things. You guys had access to such things when you were children? I don't think so.
Yes it is messed up as I've explained above, but that's just how things are there. There's no point applying western logic. Jump hasn't been suitable for <12 (probably 14 actually) year olds since at least the 80s, hell maybe even it's entire run, but before the 80s is pretty unknown territory for me. It is a massive problem, but nothing has changed after all these years.
 

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What the hell is this? He is more deplorable than I thought he was and the few chapters of TLR I read it was a octupus alien raping a girl.
 

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on a different subject

why the fuck does Inagaki need Murata or Boichi? he seems like a perfectly fine artist to me



this look as professionally-made as anything in Jump
 

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So having naked women is worse than a series about kids that are being raised to be eaten like livestock? Or a series where the main character is a serial murderer and kills hundreds of people by writing their names in a book? HxH at first glance literally looks like a series about a 12 year old kid getting the shit beat out of him. Jump has always had series that aren't suitable for kids. Yuuna is nothing new or worse than what's been in the magazine before. Especially when the other 3 main shounen magazines have gravure idols on their covers almost every week. Or when the porno mags are literally a few steps away from the manga magazines in every convenience store, out in the open for everyone to read. Age classifications have always been a bit weak in Japan. Stupid argument really.
People are a lot more sensitive to nudity and sex than they are with violence.

I honestly wouldn't say Neverland isn't suitable for children. Not really incredible violent.
on a different subject

why the fuck does Inagaki need Murata or Boichi? he seems like a perfectly fine artist to me



this look as professionally-made as anything in Jump
maybe he just doesn't want the workload
 

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Yes it is messed up as I've explained above, but that's just how things are there. There's no point applying western logic. Jump hasn't been suitable for <12 (probably 14 actually) year olds since at least the 80s, hell maybe even it's entire run, but before the 80s is pretty unknown territory for me. It is a massive problem, but nothing has changed after all these years.
Are you sure? We know Japan mostly from what we see in mangas and anime, which is not the best source of information. It is certain that the majority of people in Japan are not perverted that think it is all right pornography out in the open. The way people around here in Brazil treat women is not far from what we have in Japan, IMO, it is just another way to be disrespectful. The "******" is very famous even outside of the manga/anime world and I heard with my own two ears people referring to all Japanese people as ****** and I think it is a reputation that Japanese people don't deserve. It is like think that Brazil is just samba and soccer, it is shallow.
 

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that's funny right, you would have thought that the people 20 years later should be more open-minded and liberal...

maybe this girl is inspired by the western fight against the "patriarchy" and the gender mainstream debate who knows
I guess the fact that (more or less famous) mangaka answered the tweet made this thing look more important than it actually is
in the end it is small & free promo for yuragi-sou no yuuna-san
True, guess there is no such thing as bad publicity.
 

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Except this isn't right either since Oda took breaks even before he was forced a mandatory one every fourth week, hell he took a five week hiatus in 2010 after the end of Romance Dawn Part 1, seriously its obvious that you just get triggered whenever someone mentions MHA so you want to lash out for the sake of it at this point.
Jesus christ are you still forcing that? Horikoshi is serialized since 2014 and 3 years later is ALREADY doing pauses and sending less than 18 pages long chapters. Oda took a 5 week hiatus more than 10 FUCKING YEARS LATER. And now he is taking a week per month 18 years later.

Are you really... REALLY trying to compare that?

Give me a break, the "mha love" on this thread is starting to become stupidity.

He. Needs. to. rest. He. CANNOT. continue. like. that.
 

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Jesus christ are you still forcing that? Horikoshi is serialized since 2014 and 3 years later is ALREADY doing pauses and sending less than 18 pages long chapters. Oda took a 5 week hiatus more than 10 FUCKING YEARS LATER. And now he is taking a week per month 18 years later.

Are you really... REALLY trying to compare that?

Give me a break, the "mha love" on this thread is starting to become stupidity.

He. Needs. to. rest. He. CANNOT. continue. like. that.
2010 was 7 years ago.
 

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2010 was 7 years ago.
He's referring to 2010 being over 10 years after the start of One Piece, not that the hiatus took place 10 years ago today.
 

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He's referring to 2010 being over 10 years after the start of One Piece, not that the hiatus took place 10 years ago today.
....that still doesn't negate the fact that he took breaks before then.
 

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....that still doesn't negate the fact that he took breaks before then.
Still doesn't negate the fact that a 3 year old series is already being paused because clearly the mangaka can't handle how it's doing it.
 

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Jesus christ are you still forcing that? Horikoshi is serialized since 2014 and 3 years later is ALREADY doing pauses and sending less than 18 pages long chapters. Oda took a 5 week hiatus more than 10 FUCKING YEARS LATER. And now he is taking a week per month 18 years later.

Are you really... REALLY trying to compare that?

Give me a break, the "mha love" on this thread is starting to become stupidity.

He. Needs. to. rest. He. CANNOT. continue. like. that.
To be fair, you shouldn't be comparing Hori to Oda either. Oda is a monster when it comes to his dedication towards working on One Piece. Hori doesn't seem like he's in much danger or prone to an illness like Ashihara, so he doesn't have to take a hiatus if he doesn't want to. He's obviously really passionate towards his work, so taking that away from him wouldn't be the best idea.

Besides, we all you know what you mean by "he needs to rest".
 

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What is the obsession over page numbers? Why does it have to indicate that he's ill? Couldn't it just be that he thought the chapter didn't need to be longer? It certainly didn't feel like content was cut from it.

However, if he is struggling as much as is being implied, then I wouldn't refute a hiatus. Although, Hori doesn't seem like the type who'd wanna do that, so I don't see him taking breaks without Jump forcing it on him. That's speculation of course; just going by what I gather about him.
 
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It is not open-mindness, only twisted minds would allow children to have free access to pornography. They will eventually learn what it is, but childhood is not the place to learn such things. You guys had access to such things when you were children? I don't think so.
pornography? yuuna-san? that's ridiculous
even more when the version in the magazine is censored -> it isn't even "real nudity"

I somehow want to answer your other question because this could be interesting even thought it has nothing to do with WSJ
in germany there is a magazine called Bravo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_(magazine))
it featured naked boys and girls between 14-18 years (I guess) and of course the audience of the magazine are teens
there was also a category called "Dr. Sommer" which actually answered questions about sex & puberty in general
the most seeling 'newspaper' BILD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild) featured a topless woman on it's first page for years
I guess I was 9 years old when I bought my first issue of Bravo and I've the women on the cover of BILD even sooner
my first contact with porn was in my late childhood maybe with the start of the adolescence, I would say when I was 14 years old
thanks to the internet
nowadays the kids make this contact even sooner
 

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What is the obsession over page numbers? Why does it have to indicate that he's ill? Couldn't it just be that he thought the chapter didn't need to be longer? It certainly didn't feel like content was cut from it.

However, if he is struggling as much as is being implied, then I wouldn't refute a hiatus. Although, Hori doesn't seem like the type who'd wanna do that, so I don't see him taking breaks without Jump forcing it on him. That's speculation of course; just going by what I gather about him.
I agree. Besides he can always add extra pages to the volume that weren't included in the magazine.
 

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"He felt like it was only necessary 13 pages."
Well, I don't think it is how this works... First, as professionals, Jump mangaka are used to draw the chapters with the 20 pages in mind, they do this every week, so they already think automatically what they will draw in a given week. Generally, it is best to use all the space you have each week and accommodate the story to do just that, so it is strange he would think that 13 pages was enough. Second, he is cutting his own payment with this since mangaka are paid by page drawn. Third, the magazine has a number of pages to achieve, some pages can be the difference between having a discount or not when printing the magazine, even more when it is huge number like Jump. That's why the magazine has generally 20 series with 20 pages each, with ads between each series and everything, it is planned in detail to reach the amount of pages required. When a manga has to have an unexpected break, they put an oneshot in its place to reach the number of pages. The same for volumes, they generally have the same amount of pages and many authors comments in their afterword in novels that their editors say that they have a x number of pages to make the afterword in a given volume. Anyway, in short, 13 pages instead of 20 pages can mess things up pretty badly so I don't think an author can make just 13 pages when he "feels like it".
 

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What is the obsession over page numbers? Why does it have to indicate that he's ill? Couldn't it just be that he thought the chapter didn't need to be longer? It certainly didn't feel like content was cut from it.

However, if he is struggling as much as is being implied, then I wouldn't refute a hiatus. Although, Hori doesn't seem like the type who'd wanna do that, so I don't see him taking breaks without Jump forcing it on him. That's speculation of course; just going by what I gather about him.
It would be good for him to take a hiatus. The recent chapters feel poorly planned in regards of storytelling. All that it's happening feels aimless. Which characters does he wanna focus on this arc? Does he wanna put the heroes in a difficult situation they think can't pass? Will he kill characters or not? It remains to be seen, but for now, it's like Hori doesn't know where to continue the story.
 
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