Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[WyldViolet]

Didn't Dragon ball frequently have short chapters?

 

[ChocoBar9]

Didn't Dragon ball frequently have short chapters?

Yes it as did as well as Kochikame, YGO, Shaman King and a few more as far as I can remember. Gintama had a chapter that was only 7 to 10 pages long which is what Sorachi had to send before the deadline but he was working on a one-shot for the Jump collaboration a week prior along with Kishimoto, Toriyama and Konomi.

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 10, 2017, Original Post Date: Jul 10, 2017 ---

It would be good for him to take a hiatus. The recent chapters feel poorly planned in regards of storytelling. All that it's happening feels aimless. Which characters does he wanna focus on this arc? Does he wanna put the heroes in a difficult situation they think can't pass? Will he kill characters or not? It remains to be seen, but for now, it's like Hori doesn't know where to continue the story.

Yeah I don't get this at all. Its pretty obvious what he's trying to do with this arc and is taking his time to develop the cast in between. You guys as usual tend to overact to stuff that's pretty common in Jump.

 

[Heiji]

Boruto : 1-3 volumes : 1 500 000.
Gintama : 1-69 volumes : 53 000 000.

 

[savethecat]

"He felt like it was only necessary 13 pages."
Well, I don't think it is how this works... First, as professionals, Jump mangaka are used to draw the chapters with the 20 pages in mind, they do this every week, so they already think automatically what they will draw in a given week. Generally, it is best to use all the space you have each week and accommodate the story to do just that, so it is strange he would think that 13 pages was enough. Second, he is cutting his own payment with this since mangaka are paid by page drawn. Third, the magazine has a number of pages to achieve, some pages can be the difference between having a discount or not when printing the magazine, even more when it is huge number like Jump. That's why the magazine has generally 20 series with 20 pages each, with ads between each series and everything, it is planned in detail to reach the amount of pages required. When a manga has to have an unexpected break, they put an oneshot in its place to reach the number of pages. The same for volumes, they generally have the same amount of pages and many authors comments in their afterword in novels that their editors say that they have a x number of pages to make the afterword in a given volume. Anyway, in short, 13 pages instead of 20 pages can mess things up pretty badly so I don't think an author can make just 13 pages when he "feels like it".

I think he means is, story wise the chapter didn't need to be longer because he covered what he needed to cover and didn't want to extend into something else this chapter. He wanted to save it for next chapter.

Anyway. There have been short chapters from other series in the past. If just had a 20 page policy I highly doubt they would have even accepted 13 pages or the editors would say something before it even reached the publishing stage.

 

[Tamil]

Boruto : 1-3 volumes : 1 500 000.
Gintama : 1-59 volumes : 53 000 000.

You mean 69 volumes, right?

 

[WesKR]

Didn't Dragon ball frequently have short chapters?

I think most of the Dragon Ball chapters were only 13-15 pages long. Maybe they had different standards at the time? It attributed to there being 12-13 chapters per volume as opposed to the 9 the average Jump volumes gets nowadays.

 

[Styx]

If the manga is showing someone be raped by an alien, an underage person (if I'm reading these comments right), it's definitely (twisted) porn. Most manga these days seem to have pornographic content it in now though. I mean almost everything out there has panty shots of little girls or underage girls at the very least, others putting them in twisted situations for fanservice. It isn't exactly new behavior.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I It isn't exactly new behavior.

So is OK Behavior?

 

[Styx]

So is OK Behavior?

No, I find it repulsive, but it's kind of strange that people are only reacting to it now when it is in almost every single manga out there. "kid manga" even, if you can even accept that "kid manga" even exists. Almost everything is a soft-porn with underage sexual exposure.

 

[Leoat12]

It has been a long time since Jump had a series this extreme, I think since To Love Ru, really... I remember that To Love Ru had some complaints, but I don't remember the details right now. Jump always had series with ecchi, but much much much soft than Yuragi is showing.
I was led to think that ecchi was impopular in Jump because any series with a slightly bigger amount of ecchi that appeared, they were canceled mercilessly. Then Yuragi appeared and then for some reason it made success. Jump readers are full of mysteries right now, that's for sure., we don't know what they are thinking, voting in certain series.

 

[ShenGao]

It has been a long time since Jump had a series this extreme, I think since To Love Ru, really... I remember that To Love Ru had some complaints, but I don't remember the details right now. Jump always had series with ecchi, but much much much soft than Yuragi is showing.
I was led to think that ecchi was impopular in Jump because any series with a slightly bigger amount of ecchi that appeared, they were canceled mercilessly. Then Yuragi appeared and then for some reason it made success. Jump readers are full of mysteries right now, that's for sure., we don't know what they are thinking, voting in certain series.

Are you forgetting Shokugeki no Souma? It's first chapter had tentacle rape of a middle school girl and a striptease of 1 woman and 3 men.

 

[G_I_A]

To be fair, you shouldn't be comparing Hori to Oda either. Oda is a monster when it comes to his dedication towards working on One Piece. Hori doesn't seem like he's in much danger or prone to an illness like Ashihara, so he doesn't have to take a hiatus if he doesn't want to. He's obviously really passionate towards his work, so taking that away from him wouldn't be the best idea.

Besides, we all you know what you mean by "he needs to rest".

Yeah I think he should take a year hiatus :V. But why can't we compare Horikoshi and Oda? They are both successfull jump mangaka

Are we saying that NOBODY is allowed to take a sick day at work because there's one worker who doesn't use his sick days?

We clearly are not. But we can't compare a regular worker with a mangaka. And yes, if ONE worker is clearly overworking he should rest, change it's pace or give up this carreer. For it's own good.

Didn't Dragon ball frequently have short chapters?

Dragon Ball used to have 13-15 long chapters only.

About the porn hupla... Come on, Shokugeki no Souma is a walk in the park if we start comparing with old ecchi-related series.

 

[TyVip]

Has it ever crossed your mind that Yuragi might be good enough to stay in the magazine?

E Robot and Lady Justice failed before they took off.

 

[Mammo]

I think Jump removed all of Hiroyuki Takei manga with exception of Ultimo and they are no longer publishing anything related to (Shaman King, Jumbor, Bustu Zone)

hmmmm, weird

 

[shoyoboyo]

Yeah I think he should take a year hiatus :V. But why can't we compare Horikoshi and Oda? They are both successfull jump mangaka

Weren't you the one who said not to compare a NONSTOP 20 YEAR VETERAN MANGAKA to someone who started serialization in 2014? Nice contradictions there, bud. Seriously, do you even know what you're arguing or are you just arguing to try and trigger the Hero Academia fans again?

It's okay everything you said but... Don't get started comparing a freaking 20-year series mangaka with Horikoshi.

As good as horikoshi's art is, he can't match Oda's details... One Piece is a freaking nightmare, drawing-wise.

Horikoshi seems clearly unable to keep up with what he's currently doing and he should take it easy. Maybe even (and again, I'm not baiting, why da hell you guys always think I do that?) take a hiatus period.

I obviously mentioned a NON-STOP 20 year mangaka not togashi. It does not matter how much time they spend on a single page or the whole chapter. If they are unable to do in a regular, healthy, weekly bases, they should stop or make pauses.

 

[Xzone]

I think Jump removed all of Hiroyuki Takei manga with exception of Ultimo and they are no longer publishing anything related to (Shaman King, Jumbor, Bustu Zone)

hmmmm, weird

Well. he said in the past that he will write a Shaman king sequel without using the shaman king name and Jumbor would end with the 10th volume , I think he want to cut ties with shueisha.
Wouldn't surprise me if he begin a serie in bessatsu magazine next year

 

[Leoat12]

Are you forgetting Shokugeki no Souma? It's first chapter had tentacle rape of a middle school girl and a striptease of 1 woman and 3 men.

No, I'm not forgetting Shokugeki no Soma, I'm just considering series that uses ecchi as modus operandi, not series that uses ecchi as something complementary. Ecchi in Shokugeki lasted some chapters and now it is much more rare. Proof of this is that VIZ is publishing it although it considered it "racy" in the begining.

 

[Doughboy]

I'm in the crowd of "I get it but it's alot worst shit to complain about" but gotta admit, when I first read Yuragi I couldn't believe it was a title in Jump. Food Wars I doubt would ever truly get criticized like this since it's mainly a manga about food, while Yuragi is a harem so the ecchi antics are more often than not... not sure if that makes too much sense but it's how I view it

 

[G_I_A]

Shouldn't we expect the TOC today?

Weren't you the one who said not to compare a NONSTOP 20 YEAR VETERAN MANGAKA to someone who started serialization in 2014? Nice contradictions there, bud. Seriously, do you even know what you're arguing or are you just arguing to try and trigger the Hero Academia fans again?

No, no, no... One thing is to compare both in something like the "toc" for an instance or their work. Another thing completely different is for a 3 year old serialized mangaka to have the same "rights" as a 20-year old with the biggest manga in the damn history.

Really, are you going that low? haha. And if you feel "trigered" by that, maybe you fell under the "stupidity" I mentioned before. Did you?

MHA is a great manga. Not greater than like, 20 other series that did not have stops on their first 5 years though (in some casas their whole history). Maybe because you guys "love it more" it should deserve more "rights" than the others?

 

[Leoat12]

I'm in the crowd of "I get it but it's alot worst shit to complain about" but gotta admit, when I first read Yuragi I couldn't believe it was a title in Jump. Food Wars I doubt would ever truly get criticized like this since it's mainly a manga about food, while Yuragi is a harem so the ecchi antics are more often than not... not sure if that makes too much sense but it's how I view it

That's exactly right, Shokugeki no Soma uses ecchi as complementary and the amount is similar to other series that uses ecchi in the same way so there isn't much to complain about. Yuragi, however, uses ecchi as a selling point and goes to another level for any series in Jump, but TLR, maybe.