Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[iceemperor]

I'd say if it shows up on the top 30 franchises of 2017 then it's a success. Gintama, Soma, and Hero Academia were there so it's expected that Black Clover should too. Especially if it wants to live up to the expectations of "the next Naruto".

And since Sharkbait wants me to define "success", I'll explain the way that I see it: Yeah, in comparison to other manga, it's really successful seeing as most manga can't even break 100k. But you shouldn't be comparing it to the entire manga market, you should be comparing it to other Jump manga.

When you look at how all the promotion it's gotten has only amounted to about 200k first week sales, it's kind of hard to call it successful. I wouldn't call it a flop, but it's not something majorly successful either. When you compare it to Hero Academia, which had a similar amount of promotion, the results are hardly anything to write home about.

Black Clover has never done 200k in the first week. It should ideally be able to do this next year but as of now, this is its highest first week sales,

107704 (6)│136682│150383│------│------┃*,150,383 (*20)┃2017/05｜ブラッククローバー 11

It just hit 200k in a month this last volume. If we're going to see the full boost, it'll be in the 2018 half yearly rankings. It'll have had around 8 months of sales then so ideally, we should see at least around 3-4 million then. I would expect it to be in the 2 million range in the 2017 yearly rankings set to come out at the end of the month.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Oh cool, thanks for the correction. It's doing worse than I thought, but the anime hasn't gotten to the main action I believe, so it still has room to grow.

 

[Tanzo]

Don't know if it was posted already, but Viz will start releasing Kimetsu volumes in July 2018.
Amazon

 

[Doughboy]

Top 30 franchises of 2017? As in sales or popularity on western anime sites?

 

[ChocoBar9]

Top 30 franchises of 2017? As in sales or popularity on western anime sites?

In Japan but they're two lists one which covers BD/DVDs and comics (the media list) and one that covers merchandise. Bandai just released the yearly report which had Dragonball as its most profitable franchise of 2017.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Top 30 franchises of 2017? As in sales or popularity on western anime sites?

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-12-29/top-selling-media-franchises-in-japan-2016/.110442
I'm talking about this.

 

[iceemperor]

Oh cool, thanks for the correction. It's doing worse than I thought, but the anime hasn't gotten to the main action I believe, so it still has room to grow.

To be honest, 200k first week is nothing to sneeze at because that usually means that the volume will do around 400k at the end of 4-5 weeks. If BC is able to do 200k first week, it'd be current Arslan Senki level, putting it comfortably above World Trigger level. However, the amount of days in the week is definitely an important factor. I actually hoped Heroaca vol 16 would do around 300k first week. Instead, it did 274k. Depending on this next week's sales, we can determine how much its grown and how much more it can grow. Heroaca has already become an exception to the "rule" that second season's don't give any boosts, giving almost a 100k boost. My estimate of how much of a boost it got was around 150k to 200k if we're stretching/being generous. Backlog is still selling, doing around 45k this past week so it still has room to grow as well.

Soma also moved some backlog this past week, doing around 18k. It'll be nice if it can regain or at least stop falling in sales.

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Kishimoto is doing a one-shot in Weekly Morning set to come out on November 30......

That's unexpected to say the least. It is for the 35th anniversary but still.....

 

[TyVip]

Hopefully Soma stayed around 400k. Also hope the anime will make Yuragi breaks 200k sales, and 250k~300k is pushing it but i believe it can reach it!!

Question about success, there are so many ways to define success but here are some Jump series i'll consider having successful runs in current time period.

- At least 3 years serialization.
- Gag Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in sale, have another type of media (live action/anime), figure, games.
- Ecchi Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in sale in its first year (so 4~5 volumes to get to that amount), have an anime, merchandises and maybe games. Bonus if it can get a 2nd season going.
- Romance Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in its first year, have an anime, merchandise and games. Bonus if it has 2nd season.
- Mainstream/Mainstream Battle Manga: 500k+ sale peak, multiple season anime, figures and games.

 

[Heiji]

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Kishimoto is doing a one-shot in Weekly Morning set to come out on November 30......

That's unexpected to say the least. It is for the 35th anniversary but still.....

Its Seishi Kishimoto. Wil be a special chapter of Mad Chimera World for celebrate 1st volume out 22/11.

 

[Doughboy]

I agree with giathuan. Good baseline.

Also cool to know. Its media has only been manga, a few novels and art books right? The anime just started so guess I feel BDs will go on sale before Dec. Has BC had any spinoffs yet like Smash!! or Illegals? I'd check out a Luck or Charmy one, Luck is kinda cool and I suddenly need to protect Charmy cause she's precious.

 

[iceemperor]

Its Seishi Kishimoto. Wil be a special chapter of Mad Chimera World for celebrate 1st volume out 22/11.

The information says

３５周年企画：岸本斉史読切｜

Seishi is
岸本聖史
Unless its a misprint in the magazine because even the people on 5ch first thought it was Seishi but it was Masashi.

 

[Heiji]

Yeah its misprint.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Man, it must suck for Seishi to be stuck living in his brother's shadow for all his life. It would have been really cool if the twins were able to compete against each other in the manga industry.

 

[HIGAN0]

Hopefully Soma stayed around 400k. Also hope the anime will make Yuragi breaks 200k sales, and 250k~300k is pushing it but i believe it can reach it!!

Question about success, there are so many ways to define success but here are some Jump series i'll consider having successful runs in current time period.

- At least 3 years serialization.
- Gag Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in sale, have another type of media (live action/anime), figure, games.
- Ecchi Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in sale in its first year (so 4~5 volumes to get to that amount), have an anime, merchandises and maybe games. Bonus if it can get a 2nd season going.
- Romance Manga: Reach 100k+ at least in its first year, have an anime, merchandise and games. Bonus if it has 2nd season.
- Mainstream/Mainstream Battle Manga: 500k+ sale peak, multiple season anime, figures and games.

So this mean that World Trigger isn't successful series...smh

 

[Mammo]

at least people know Seishi exist, 666 Satan lasted 8 years and 19 volumes

most people don't even know Togashi have a brother that works as a mangaka

 

[DyanSon]

So this mean that World Trigger isn't successful series...smh

It's successful on its own rights

 

[TyVip]

So this mean that World Trigger isn't successful series...smh

the one that smh is me since the very first one i literally said any series with 3+ years serialization is a success in my book. Don't have to nitpick at my number Also i pick 500k because it's cool to say. Half a million copies per volumes, as oppose to say 400k or 300k per volume. I'm not going to look up the last 5 years of battle shounen and take the median number

but i did forget World Trigger exists in WSJ, oops.

 

[SharkBait]

Man, it must suck for Seishi to be stuck living in his brother's shadow for all his life

Are you an only child?

 

[shoyoboyo]

Are you an only child?

Not sure why you ask, but no.

 

[OfficialHxH]

at least people know Seishi exist, 666 Satan lasted 8 years and 19 volumes

most people don't even know Togashi have a brother that works as a mangaka

Funny thing is from what ive seen most of his work is ****** lol