Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[HIGAN0]

Souma season 1 average sales were around 2000 but MHA was average 3500 sales. Souma season 2 sales are abysmal, only selling like 700-800 copies. I highly doubt that MHA will go as low as Souma. I'd be surprised if Souma gets a season 3 or 4.

1,229 2 Boku no Hero Academia v5 BD
1,670 2 Boku no Hero Academia v5 DVD

1,003 1,003 1 Boku no Hero Academia v4 BD
1,736 1,7361 Boku no Hero Academia v4 DVD

1,184 1,184 1 Boku no Hero Academia v3 BD
1,700 1,700 1 Boku no Hero Academia v3 DVD

2,024 2 Boku no Hero Academia v2 DVD
1,224 1 Boku no Hero Academia v2 BD

2,758 3 Boku no Hero Academia v1 BD
2,858 2 Boku no Hero Academia v1 DVD

 

[Leoat12]

Yep, I was here.

People say a lot of things. Like comparing the sales of Neverland and thinking it possible can surpass the sales of My Hero Academia this earlier.

They also love to talk about how much hype and pushed Toriko was, and how it flopped.

I not only doesn't believe that The Promised Neverland will surpass My Hero Academia, but also I don't want it to follow the same path that My Hero Academia followed. I believe in my graphs, it is better get popular through the time than get quickly popular out of hype and stagnate after that... It also makes the editor to calm down and think straight about an anime adaptation instead of also falling into the hype and making a mess like they did with My Hero Academia.
The Promised Neverland has the potential to be a success, so the more we avoid situations that can lead to bad decisions, the better.

 

[Newkerzy]

I don't want to live in a world where All Might vs. AFO isn't the climax of a season.

Relax, this season will cover all the way up to Stain, for sure. To be exact, it'll end at ch. 59. Next season will definitely go up to the end of Kamino if not the whole of volume 11.

They were able to anime more than the first 3 volumes. This myth that My Hero Academia production started really early and so it didn't have content is pure lies and horrible wrong. In fact what My Hero Academia did was closer to what is normally do to a earlier popular franchise. There are many cases where the production even started before, and the series got longer adaptations and run. A Good example being Dragon Ball where the anime production started before the manga even started!

Important, 2nd season don't give manga sales significant boosts! Is so rare that I don't know of any series where that ever happened. Not one!
If it happens to My Hero Academia, it just makes it the huge exception.

If that's so, how do you explain they announced the anime in just 16 months after the debut? From what BONES say about the production process, they started working on it after the first volume was out. This could be slightly inaccurate too. For all we know, they could've only really started on the production process around the spring of 2015. And this is not including the contract-making processes and the like.

And I hardly believe this is all myth when you consider 1. They only managed to get a time-slot that offered them 13 episodes max. 2. Somewhere around the middle of production, they should've realized this. Instead of putting it off for another year to get a better timeslot, they rushed to release it.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I not only doesn't believe that The Promised Neverland will not surpass My Hero Academia, but also I don't want it to follow the same path that My Hero Academia followed. I believe in my graphs, it is better get popular through the time than get quickly popular out of hype and stagnate after that... It also makes the editor to calm down and think straight about an anime adaptation instead of also falling into the hype and making a mess like they did with My Hero Academia.
The Promised Neverland has the potential to be a success, so the more we avoid situations that can lead to bad decisions, the better.

But what mess with the editor?

 

[savethecat]

I don't get how the whole MHA situation is a mess.
Neither Toriko or MHA flopped. They're both successful franchises that fans wish were a lot more huge than they actually were.

 

[Leoat12]

But what mess with the editor?

Agreeing to an anime too early.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

The production process can start as soon as years before the manga even starts. And the anime still become a Long running series. You have the mega example of Dragon Ball. The anime production started before the manga got released and how many episodes that series have? Ah, 444 episodes(Dragon Ball + Dragon Ball Z).

What am I trying to say here? That the time the production of the anime starts related with the manga, is irrelevant to how many episodes the anime gets.

And if you're talking of anime announcement. Hunter x Hunter got its anime announced earlier, and still endured 60 episodes, and with Togashi Hiatus on top of it. And I'm almost certain that World Trigger also got it announced earlier than My Hero Academia, and it endured 73 episodes, and with Ashihara Hiatus on top of it.

Have you ever thought that the reason My Hero Academia got only 13 episodes is not because how earlier its production started? Ask yourself this, who decides an anime episode count? And which variables are accounted for that decision? I will just tell you this, when the production started and when it is announced to the public is not one of those variables!

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But it wasn't to early! Is normal for hugely popular series to get good proposals that early.
Note that when a series is announced to the public is never close to when the anime project really starts.


And If I go by logic, the fact that the production started earlier, means the studio got more time to do things right and to animate more.
Example:
An anime starts in the manga 100 chapter.
Situation A - The Studio starts working in the series when it has already 50 chapters. So they have 50 chapters, around 1 year, plus the airing of the 13 episode anime, that takes 3 months. So they have 1 year and 3 months to do the 13 episodes.

Situation B - The Studio starts working in the series when it has 1 volume, 9 chapters. So they have 92 chapters, around 2 years, plus the airing of the 13 episode anime. 2 years and 3 months. Is true that when they start they only have 9 chapters though. But taking that the anime will be adapted at a pace of 3 chapters per episode, it means they can start working in the first 3 episodes already. after 3 more chapters, 3 weeks, they have content for 1 more episode, theoretically. With that spacious schedule they can without pressure think in better ways to map the chapters into the episode, another advantage.

 

[savethecat]

MHA most likely only had 13 episodes simply because that's just how Bones works.
They haven't done a series over 13 episodes in quite some time. And if they do they typically do split cours.

But initially, I was on the side of "the season should have been longer". But honestly that likely had no part in it not EXPLODING.
And, while the season had flaws, and was a pretty spot on and good adaptation of the source. So I don't think it can really be argued that the quality of the season prevented it from exploding.

It's simply just a 500K-600K seller, and wasn't meant to be a 1Mil seller. Ppl just had their expectations too high. I still stand by my belief that it can get a slow burning increase over the years and eventually reach a 700K average. But it'll likely never be a million seller and was likely never going to be a million seller

 

[Newkerzy]

I would guess they had looked around the stations which timeslot they could get and then decide the episode count from there. Problem is, like I said before, instead of waiting to get a better timeslot, the production committee bullrushed it and they wanted it to be released as soon as possible, while completely ignorant of the content that could and would be adapted in such a short timeframe.

 

[savethecat]

I would guess they had looked around the stations which timeslot they could get and then decide the episode count from there. Problem is, like I said before, instead of waiting to get a better timeslot, the production committee bullrushed it and they wanted it to be released as soon as possible, while completely ignorant of the content that could and would be adapted in such a short timeframe.

I thought the time slot it got was a very good timeslot

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I would guess they had looked around the stations which timeslot they could get and then decide the episode count from there. Problem is, like I said before, instead of waiting to get a better timeslot, the production committee bullrushed it and they wanted it to be released as soon as possible, while completely ignorant of the content that could and would be adapted in such a short timeframe.

But than that has nothing to do with the production starting earlier, and it mainly deals with what happened internally with the Producers.

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I thought the time slot it got was a very good timeslot

Yep, it was. Nichigo. The one Haikyuu!! got.

 

[HIGAN0]

it's been month since black clover anime announcement and still no info.........

 

[Divinenega]

Yep, I was here.

People say a lot of things. Like comparing the sales of Neverland and thinking it possible can surpass the sales of My Hero Academia this earlier.

They also love to talk about how much hype and pushed Toriko was, and how it flopped.

A better comparison would probably be whether or not it can outpace Black Clover's early volume sales

 

[Leoat12]

A better comparison would probably be whether or not it can outpace Black Clover's early volume sales

I think it already surpassed? Black Clover barely sold anything until some volumes ago...

 

[ChocoBar9]

1,229 2 Boku no Hero Academia v5 BD
1,670 2 Boku no Hero Academia v5 DVD

1,003 1,003 1 Boku no Hero Academia v4 BD
1,736 1,7361 Boku no Hero Academia v4 DVD

1,184 1,184 1 Boku no Hero Academia v3 BD
1,700 1,700 1 Boku no Hero Academia v3 DVD

2,024 2 Boku no Hero Academia v2 DVD
1,224 1 Boku no Hero Academia v2 BD

2,758 3 Boku no Hero Academia v1 BD
2,858 2 Boku no Hero Academia v1 DVD

Nothing he stated was wrong. All you did was separate the BD and DVD numbers. On average MHA sold 3.5k and probably more with the end of the year tally out.

 

[HIGAN0]

Nothing he stated was wrong. All you did was separate the BD and DVD numbers. On average MHA sold 3.5k and probably more with the end of the year tally out.

I Didn't say he was wrong......I just wanted to share DVD/BD numbers......

 

[Tanzo]

Looks like the upcoming Jump Giga issue will be serializations and one-shots like last time.
source: WSJ twitter/kaizou10

 

[Nii]

I think the main problem with MHA's anime was the pacing, as simple as that. There are two very important episodes for any anime, and these are episode 1 and 3. If done well, a first episode is enough to get most people hooked (or to start a boom, like Shingeki), and if that doesn't work, for example because the source material starts slow, then episode 3 is very often the deciding factor. Quite a few directors have stated this in the past, episode 3 is your last chance to hook a huge number of people. A big chunk will simply drop the show if they don't like it after watching three episodes. That's just how much anime are produced each year and season, besides hardcore fans not many people have the time to follow even a quarter of the shows from each season.

So the pacing for the anime was simply too slow, like taking two episodes for the very first chapter. That's, in my eyes, the major problem the show had. It's not Shueisha's dumb decision or wrong marketing or whatever else people make up, it just didn't click for enough people, as simple as that. And yes, a rise in popularity can happen later on if there's some major event that creates a lot of buzz, but it's the way less common case. 13 episodes could have been just fine with a better pacing, but as it stands the BHA anime was good, yet in no way great. If one is the speculate about who made a "major" mistake, the best guess is Bones and their staff. I believe an opportunity was missed and it definitely could have attracted more people, but it's all just speculation at this point.

On a sidenote, Shueisha's influence regarding the timeslot and whatnot shouldn't be overestimated. At best they're part of the (in)famous "production comitee", so a damn lot of people have a say in this, they can't simply decide everything on their own. The whole system is way too complicated to put the finger at one single company and say they're to blame for everything.

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Also, I see a lot of discussion regarding "The Promised Neverland" here. Why not head over to our new section and discuss the series there?

https://mangahelpers.com/forum/forums/yakusoku-no-neverland.1116/

 

[vampire killer]

The second season of BHA will have even better time slot. So the manga should explode in popularity. The first episode should have 5-6% tv rating. This will make a lot of people buy the volumes.

 

[Newkerzy]

I think the main problem with MHA's anime was the pacing, as simple as that. There are two very important episodes for any anime, and these are episode 1 and 3. If done well, a first episode is enough to get most people hooked (or to start a boom, like Shingeki), and if that doesn't work, for example because the source material starts slow, then episode 3 is very often the deciding factor. Quite a few directors have stated this in the past, episode 3 is your last chance to hook a huge number of people. A big chunk will simply drop the show if they don't like it after watching three episodes. That's just how much anime are produced each year and season, besides hardcore fans not many people have the time to follow even a quarter of the shows from each season.

So the pacing for the anime was simply too slow, like taking two episodes for the very first chapter. That's, in my eyes, the major problem the show had. It's not Shueisha's dumb decision or wrong marketing or whatever else people make up, it just didn't click for enough people, as simple as that. And yes, a rise in popularity can happen later on if there's some major event that creates a lot of buzz, but it's the way less common case. 13 episodes could have been just fine with a better pacing, but as it stands the BHA anime was good, yet in no way great. If one is the speculate about who made a "major" mistake, the best guess is Bones and their staff. I believe an opportunity was missed and it definitely could have attracted more people, but it's all just speculation at this point.

On a sidenote, Shueisha's influence regarding the timeslot and whatnot shouldn't be overestimated. At best they're part of the (in)famous "production comitee", so a damn lot of people have a say in this, they can't simply decide everything on their own. The whole system is way too complicated to put the finger at one single company and say they're to blame for everything.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 15, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 15, 2017 ---

Also, I see a lot of discussion regarding "The Promised Neverland" here. Why not head over to our new section and discuss the series there?

https://mangahelpers.com/forum/forums/yakusoku-no-neverland.1116/

I have to ask, did Naruto adapt the first chapter in one whole episode? If I recall, that was a 40+ pages debut chapter like most debuts.