Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Leoat12]

Take To Love Ru as an example, the series is built around ecchi, the rest doesn't matter at all, just the ecchi matters. We all know how bad that thing is.
Therefore, it is hard to believe that Yuragi has a good storytelling with the level of ecchi it has. For me, everybody is just ignoring all the problems because they like the ecchi. In short, ecchi readers are not reliable at all. Anyway, I have to see for myself, from Google Images, it is just boobs and butts everywhere, we know that there is no dialogue when there are boobs and butts involved, so...

 

[WyldViolet]

Take To Love Ru as an example, the series is built around ecchi, the rest doesn't matter at all, just the ecchi matters. We all know how bad that thing is.
Therefore, it is hard to believe that Yuragi has a good storytelling with the level of ecchi it has. For me, everybody is just ignoring all the problems because they like the ecchi. In short, ecchi readers are not reliable at all. Anyway, I have to see for myself, from Google Images, it is just boobs and butts everywhere, we know that there is not dialogue when there are boobs and butts involved, so...

How many goddamm times have you been told that many of us don't like ecchi manga, but love the characters and writing of Yuragi.
Stop ignoring reality in favor of blindly believing what you want to reality to look like.
You.
Are.
Judging.
A.
Book.
By.
Its.
Cover.

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Hey, I looked up sone pictures of Star Trek: TNG on Google. Spaceships battles and lazer guns? Clearly just mindless action bullshit.

 

[tirakai]

To Love Ru is great though, Darkness especially.

 

[Leoat12]

To Love Ru is great though, Darkness especially.

I still remember the time when I tried to read TLR... The monster putting his tentacles in places I cannot mention here at this time of the day. XD

 

[G_I_A]

I'm guessing Jaiminisbox is skipping out on Poro. They had We Can't Study and U19 up by now

We're not. Poro is harder to work with.

I agree, there's no good romance in JUMP nowadays.

 

[savethecat]

We're not. Poro is harder to work with.

I agree, there's no good romance in JUMP nowadays.

Oooh I guess that's great to hear

 

[Tamil]

Yuragi aint like Shokugeki no Soma that uses fan service poorly.

 

[Leoat12]

Yuragi aint like Shokugeki no Soma that uses fan service poorly.

Ecchi is not the main point of Shokugeki no Soma, it is just a feature, a well used feature by the way. One of the few that makes ecchi useful.
What do you think it is a well used ecchi?

 

[Doughboy]

I could never get with Souma's foodgasms, this coming from someone who never minds fanservice. It's just weird. Erina's are the only good ones honestly. Good ecchi is like panty shots and awkward camera angles or appealing fanservice scenes when the mood isn't serious like bath scenes or beach days. At least in my opinion

 

[WyldViolet]

Ecchi is not the main point of Shokugeki no Soma, it is just a feature, a well used feature by the way. One of the few that makes ecchi useful.
What do you think it is a well used ecchi?

Huh, have you considered that ecchi is just a feature of Yuragi rather than the main point which you've been told over and over and over?

 

[G_I_A]

I'm not sure about Yuragi but... Without foodgasms, Souma would never became what it is today....

It's okay to not like the series because of this "features"... But to say that without them it would be as good as it is... Is just too much...

 

[Leoat12]

I'm not sure about Yuragi but... Without foodgasms, Souma would never became what it is today....

It's okay to not like the series because of this "features"... But to say that without them it would be as good as it is... Is just too much...

It wouldn't be the same at all, I agree... It is a well made and used feature and appealed to Jump readers without having to throw ecchi at readers' face every page. It has become something rare by the way, I think the authors are trying to save the good ideas for the best parts of the series.
We know that ecchi is something that make people read something, I remember that Soul Eater had a lot of ecchi at the beginning, I remember that somewhere the author said that it was just to make his case and catch the attention of the readers. In fact, ecchi became much less frequent after the first volumes.

 

[TM2]

I think there needs to be a distinction between "Harem" Stories and "Romance" Stories. Personally I consider Yuragi more of a harem story rather than a genuine romance. Though that may be because even reading 50 chapters in I still can't see the author making the attempt to expand the characters beyond their archetypes.

I believe that Romance manga are far from dead but they are unlikely to survive in Jump. Especially when the entire TOC system doesn't really seem to reward the slow buildup in a romance over intense spectacle.

 

[Leoat12]

Huh, have you considered that ecchi is just a feature of Yuragi rather than the main point which you've been told over and over and over?

It is a matter of frequency. Shokugeki no Soma didn't have a foodgasm every single chapter.
Do you mean that they have the same frequency when it comes to ecchi? Do you believe that VIZ will publish Yuragi at some point like they did with SnS?

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I think there needs to be a distinction between "Harem" Stories and "Romance" Stories. Personally I consider Yuragi more of a harem story rather than a genuine romance. Though that may be because even reading 50 chapters in I still can't see the author making the attempt to expand the characters beyond their archetypes.

I believe that Romance manga are far from dead but they are unlikely to survive in Jump.

Harem is a romance where there is a dispute among many girls for the protagonists. 90% of the romances I saw or read where harem, really...

 

[Tanzo]

Looks like Ole Golazo will end next issue, it just had a

Spoiler

timeskip

this chapter. Epilogue should be next chapter.

Spoiler

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8944aa533583976

 

[tirakai]

There's no such thing as a shounen romance manga, they all end before any actual romance starts.

 

[G_I_A]

Looks like Ole Golazo will end next issue, it just had a

Spoiler

timeskip

this chapter. Epilogue should be next chapter.

Spoiler

http://www.imagebam.com/image/8944aa533583976

RIP Bamba the man. Still, I wanna know the other "soon to be" canceled series.

There's no such thing as a shounen romance manga, they all end before any actual romance starts.

Inuyasha?

 

[TM2]

It is a matter of frequency. Shokugeki no Soma didn't have a foodgasm every single chapter.
Do you mean that they have the same frequency when it comes to ecchi? Do you believe that VIZ will publish Yuragi at some point like they did with SnS?

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Harem is a romance where there is a dispute among many girls for the protagonists. 90% of the romances I saw or read where harem, really...

Perhaps I didn't word myself as well as I should have. I make the distinction between the two based on what the story seems to be emphasizing.

For example: School Rumble there are multiple girls interested in the protagonist but throughout there is a stronger emphasis on personal interaction than harem antics.

Jitsu wa Watashi wa: While the story does have harem elements I'd argue that it is more of a romance story due the the characters changing over the course of the story as well as their relationships with one another.

To Love-ru: Character interaction seems to take a backseat in favor of contriving as many situations as possible to shove the protagonist's head into as many perverse situations as possible.

 

[Koi Kage]

There's no such thing as a shounen romance manga, they all end before any actual romance starts.

I agree, though a manga that has a set romance that gets explored in flash backs periodically as well as follow whatever the story is about could theoretically survive but the likely hood of a story like that ever being made is slim to none.

 

[xAsum0x]

Should've done Galaxy Gangs totally saying this for the first time and not reiterating to make a point