Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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It funny how 8 years ago DBZ Kai premiered with a 10% in the ratings and analysts stated that it was merely an "OK" start and now getting a 10% puts you at the top of ratings. Let's just say standards changed a lot.
 

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I know what the ratings number represent but...do the TV ratings represent the highest amount of people watching the show at a specific time or does it represent the number of people who watched it entirely through?
Average number in a given time around the timeslot. I believe Timeshift during some period of time later is also accounted.
 

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It funny how 8 years ago DBZ Kai premiered with a 10% in the ratings and analysts stated that it was merely an "OK" start and now getting a 10% puts you at the top of ratings. Let's just say standards changed a lot.
You're comparing a "remastered series" with a brand new one... Really?
 

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It doesn't need to. Even Toriko had high ratings in that timeslot. Lets be real airing before One Piece is free publicity even for Dragon ball super.
My Hero Academia Timeslot is a way, but really way, better timeslot than Toriko/Dragon Ball Super timeslot.

Airs just before Detective Conan an it is a primetime timeslot.
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It funny how 8 years ago DBZ Kai premiered with a 10% in the ratings and analysts stated that it was merely an "OK" start and now getting a 10% puts you at the top of ratings. Let's just say standards changed a lot.
Who are this Analysts you're talking about?
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Wait, so that means that doesn't take into nationwide account? Which means it could potentially be bigger?
They take it nationwide, they just don't distribute that information publicly. If you want the rest of the info you have to pay.

Kanto is the biggest region of Japan and the region with the biggest watching density. This means that Kanto is a pretty good statistical place to make a country generalization.
In the past Kanzai region was leaked and it was pretty much the same viewership. I don't believe there are much difference in regions and if there is not that relevant. At least not for us.
 

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1st print :

One Piece #84 : 3 600 000
Hunter x Hunter #33 : 1 600 000
Assassination Classroom #21 : 870 000
Haikyu! - Les As du Volley #25 : 740 000
Kuroko's Basket - Extra Game #02 : 680 000
My Hero Academia #12 : 560 000
Bleach #74 : 450 000
Boruto #01 : 450 000

Shûeisha want's this year 1st print of new volume of Yakusoku no Neverland, Black Clover & Kimetsu no Yaiba became 500 000.
Shônen Jump Giga will be monthly. WIll have 4 issue from april to july.
Seeing this is kinda sad. Bleach last volume doin the same as Boruto. I thought it would atleast do 500 k
 

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Seeing this is kinda sad. Bleach last volume doin the same as Boruto. I thought it would atleast do 500 k
Those are first print numbers, not sales.
 

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For the past 5 or so years it's been getting numbers within the 3-4%. The last show Time Boken 24 got amount those same ratings every week. In short its doing fine as long as it doesn't get Otaku Teacher numbers.
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With the exception of Otaku Teacher which bombed hard its pretty standard. The last time a show on that timeslot averaged above a 4% was The Kindaichi Case Files
That is not true. Last Kindaichi aired just 2 anime(excluding MHA) before, and most times got ratings of 6. After Kindaichi, Ace Attorney aired and had low ratings for the slot, still normally above 4%. Time Bokan "kind of" recovered the slot ratings and already has its 2nd season confirmed.

Before Kindaichi we had the Ultimate Otaku Teacher, that was a major flop. The biggest flop the timeslot had. Before it, we had "Magic Kaito 1412" and was possible the best rated series in that timeslot.
Yep, it rated above what was airing in Dragon Ball Super Timeslot(I don't remember what was) and sometimes even above One Piece. Before that Kindaichi R Season 1(the last one was season 2) that had better ratings than the later Kindaichi. Before it Space Brothers that got very good ratings. Note: Space Brothers started airing in that timeslot in 2013(4 years from now) and before it the slot was News. So basically all those 4 years only Ultimate Otaku Teacher did frequently within 3-4%!

Now if My Hero Academia will keep this ratings or if this is just a one time thing we have to wait and see.
 

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Spoilers of new Black Clover's chapter (and anime infos, why not?) when? Anyone? Since mangamint was closed, I lost my sources to find out pics.
 

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Spoilers of new Black Clover's chapter (and anime infos, why not?) when? Anyone? Since mangamint was closed, I lost my sources to find out pics.
There'll be probably no info for the anime. Only the character poll.

But we should get JUMP FESTA OVA anytime soon If I'm not mistaken.
 

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You're comparing a "remastered series" with a brand new one... Really?
I wasn't comparing anything. Though it doesn't matter since the "remastered" series got better ratings than the new one.
That is not true. Last Kindaichi aired just 2 anime(excluding MHA) before, and most times got ratings of 6.
Time Bokan, Space Brothers, and Ace Attorney did not average 6, infact they barely scrapped by 3-4%

So basically all those 4 years only Ultimate Otaku Teacher did frequently within 3-4%!
Ultimate Otaku averaged 2-3% and only a few episodes got a 3% tally despite its 6.7% start (which was because of Magic Kaito). So Case Files S1 and Magic Kaito were the only shows that got a 6% in ratings while everything else was between a 3-4%. Funny thing about Space Brothers is that it had lower premiere ratings than MHA yet here you are saying it did very good. Make up your mind.
Who are this Analysts you're talking about?
People who post weekly rating updates and know more about that shit than me or you. Kai not doing well isn't really something people can deny at this point. It got canned despite having an average rating of 9.4%, Toriko got canned despite having an average rating of 6.2% nowadays shows outside of Sazae-san and Shin-chan dream of getting those ratings and even they have fallen off themselves.
 
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Can someone explain what constitutes a "good" tv rating and how having a good timeslot affects it?
 

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Can someone explain what constitutes a "good" tv rating and how having a good timeslot affects it?
For people like Bigivelfhq is if the show isn't doing as well as shows that aired years before it its a failure. For people like G.I.A. if its not doing better than established 30 year franchises its a failure. For everyone else it varies. Obviously the TV rating standard in Japan has gotten way down in recent years so expectations tend to vary depending on the property hence why making comparison between other shows is pointless since TVTokyo won't cancel Pokemon because its ratings are worse than One Piece but if you're making the Top 10 every week than your ratings are probably good unless you're Toriko or DBZ Kai which got pulled for other reasons.
 

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Someone should start a separate thread for TV ratings discussion since you guys love talking about this stuff and it kinda irrelevant to this wsj and toc thread

ok, I'll start a discussion about wsj

what your guys thought about Samon?

I saw someone in a different forum mention the reason it's not growing is because of its atypical artstyle but I don't know about that

KnY have a pretty weird artstyle to put it nicely but its sales and popularity keeps growing, and rightfully so, the manga is entertaining as hell

my problem with Samon is that it doesn't have a hook

what is it trying to do? comedy? isn't very funny, romance? does not exist, battle? there are already many battle in magazine, comfy sol? no one buy Jump for that

I'm not surprised its sales is decreasing, I'm surprised it lasted for this long
 

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Its funny because this is just happen because of MHA.
 

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Samon is a Reborn wannabe without good artstyle, meaning, purpose and fandom.
 

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I always figured it was trying to do the Gintama thing where it's mostly comedy but has a few serious aspects and occasionally goes into full serious arcs.
 

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Reborn was a "I want to be X" story (al a the strongest, hokage, pirate king etc...) from day one

which is an empowerment fantasy and easy for readers to relate to

it wasn't a very good one at that and had to rely on fujo$ to survive

Samon's goal is to turn the female mc evil, which isn't as interesting
 

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Reborn was a "I want to be X" story (al a the strongest, hokage, pirate king etc...) from day one

which is an empowerment fantasy and easy for readers to relate to

it wasn't a very good one at that and had to rely on fujo$ to survive

Samon's goal is to turn the female mc evil, which isn't as interesting
Technically it was an "I don't want to be X" series. And it managed to accomplish exactly what it set out to do, by which I mean nothing.
I just started rereading Samon, going to try and actually catch up this time. Most of the humor is just watching Samon be a little shit and have things blow up in his face because of it, It's different enough from other stuff in the magazine if you like that sort of thing.
 

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my problem isn't that it's different, the problem is it doesn't excel in being different

Devilyman had a very similar plot and flopped badly because it was meh, I don't see how is Samon is a better manga than Devilyman

Samon to managed survive where Devilyman couldn't thanks to 2ch's shenanigans
 

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Samon comedy is not that funny from what I read (around 10 chapters?), so I dropped it, and the art is too wild for me to appreciate.
 
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