This deserves a prize haha. It's nice to see a consistent opinion of someone that not only read, translate but actually understand what we're talking about.
My general stance is that it's usually the big hits from rookies that help invigorate young readership and create booms. Jump's constant push to try out new authors is what helped them stay relevant throughout the years compared to WSM/WSS. It was ultimately fostering of new talents like Oda, Kishimoto, Kubo, etc that helped Jump get its resurgence post-DragonBall/SlamDunk. Same could be said about what drove WSM's brief resurgence in the late 90s.
Do we even need to cancel anything for either or both to come back though?
It's all true. But remember that when Oda, Kishimoto and Kubo went famous, JUMP had 6 millions copies circulating. Now It has 1/3 of it. It's really difficult if not impossible to achieve the same fame and success nowadays. That's why Bomber comment is relevant, because people won't simply buy the magazine looking for new stuff. They will however if they find out that an author which work they used to read is back.
Yeah, maybe Weekly Shonen Magazine suffers from using veterans, as some of their veterans may have famous titles, not quality titles, especially Seo Kouji and his crappy versions of Nicholas Sparks works he calls manga, like Fuuka. They may sell, but even at their peak they'll never reach the popularity of, say, Haikyuu. They should triy using more new writers. Jump reusing veterans is not a good idea, because they're not letting them go to do what they want, and if they make a new series on Jump, it may be more possible that ends up cancelled instead of being a success.
I don't disagree with that at all, honestly. It's only recently WSS has tried to be a little more inviting to new artists, and while it's not "successful" yet, it's getting there. Of course, as I said before, it does help that Jump has always just been kind of lucky to get big hits just when they need the momentum which helps them as a brand. As you said, WSM and WSS get resurgences and then dip, so they lose momentum which hurts them in the long run.
The number we are given only reflect physical copies of the magazine not the online version of the magazine. Don't get it twisted when it comes to numbers we only have at most 50% to base things off of when it comes to whether or not returning authors have any impact at all, I'm one of the ones that don't really care whether they are new or old authors so long as I like the series. Also were moving to a more digital age when it comes to manga as a whole so of course there's going to be a drop in the number of physical copies in circulation because more and more people are getting the digital version for the reason that it's probably both cheaper and a lot easier to access.
So you're saying that the veterans are FORCED to come back and do manga they don't actually like? Really?
True but you really think that people are buying the online version more than the printed one? If this was true ALL Shueisha magazines would go online and so far we don't even have the Young JUMP online version. But I agree, as far as the series is good I don't care if it's a veteran or a newcomer. The discussion is not that. We're merely saying that is more likely for a veteran to achieve success. I'll give you examples:
That still doesn't explain why Sunday is doing badly though, if it was as simple as "we need more veterans" then they still wouldn't be dropping at a faster rate than Jump and Magazine. Obviously they see this themselves and are adapting Jump's system to fix it since even veterans aren't selling well now.
OT, but check out his Sunday blog. Real good.
Oh I'm not saying they weren't having a veteran bias, I'm just saying that they're trying to fix that now.
Ah, thanks for the plug. For the interested, you can check it out here.
And out off all those series that you named do you have any hard core knowledge of how many fans of there previous work actually carried over to the new series and actually stuck with it or the numbers of new readers they brought in that hadn't read their previous work, because I was a huge fan of Yu Yu Hakasho when HxH started I couldn't get into it so I dropped it ; also I never read Horikoshi's previous work and I think MHA is a pretty okay series( It could be better but I still enjoy it for the most part). Since we don't have access to those types of numbers its kind of pointless to say that old authors are the better way to go.
Because Sunday is not JUMP... Despite being older it has way less successes... We can't compare oranges and bananas... But okay, I'll bite... Why you guys are not mentioning WSM for instance?
I will certainly check. Thanks!
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I never said they are... I merely mentioned that's more likely for them to achieve success...
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By the time they were circulating they were at 3 million even lower by the time they formed the Big 3. Jump's circulation has been at a downward spiral once it reached its peak in the early 90's so to blame the drop because "there isn't any veterans" is gravely missing the point and ignoring various circumstances that has effect sales of the magazine.
Watsuki, Takei, Sawai, Yontemago and a plethora of other mangaka who came back after the success of their previous series proves this and your entire statement wrong meanwhile a young and unknown Eiichiro Oda made the most successful manga series of all time in his first serialization ever and then Kishimoto came after with another big hit which was also his first serialization ever and then came Jump's most profitable decade ever in terms of volume sales all dominated by rookies who had their start with Jump and not a single veteran in sight. Being a veteran has never been a huge incentive to buy magazines EVER so I don't know why people believe bringing back a veteran mangaka is going to improve sales especially given that in the current round two veteran mangaka are doing worse than a first timer.
That's not an excuse though. Clearly there's an issue because even the editor-in-chief has stepped out and said it was and is starting to adapt a Jump system to help them recover and find new talent. Whatever model Jump has its been working for almost 50 years now and whatever model Sunday had it stopped working after the 90's.
Magazine isn't doing as badly as Sunday and their model also has huge flaws in it as showcased with the debacle in 2012 which caused several mangaka to prematurely end their series as protest.
Out of this list only NnT still sells well, FT's sales have dropped considerably and stagnated for a while now and with the movie bombing its that its no surprise its wrapping up this year, Fire Force and Fuuka aren't doing well either. Magazine is strange because it is dominated entirely by veterans but unlike say Sunday most of the veterans have been with Kodansha for under 20 years, George is the oldest mangaka they have still working.
World Trigger and Hunter x Hunter are just wishful thinking, it doesn't depend on Jump editors. There is no evidence that neither of them will come back any time soon.
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