Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[ChocoBar9]

So what shows occupied that time slot in the past?

Depends, the current timeslot which started 8 years ago was different from before Conan moved to it but here are all the shows that has aired on the slot since.
Space Brothers
Kindanchi Case Files R
Magic Kaito
Denpa Kyoushi
Phoenix Wright
Time Boken 24

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Actually its doing the same as every show within the pass 5 years outside Magic Kaito and Kindanchi Case Files R. There hasn't been a big drop for it like what happened to Denpa Kyoushi and Phoenix Wright which both started out strong but dropped a lot as it went on, depending on how the second cour goes it could do as well as Time Bokan 24 did if it sustains its current streak but it'll definitely need to move if it hopes to hold on to an above 3.0 average by the end of its run.

Again wit the same thing? In The Kazenban forum I already shown you wrong. Just Time Bokan 24 the previous series did way better than My Hero Academia.

Here:
Time Bokan(episodes)

1- 5.4
2- 4.5
3- 4.6
4- 4.2
5- 5.0
6- 3.7
7- 2.9
8- 4.9
9- < 3.4 (out of the top 10)
10- 4.9
11- 3.7
12- 4.6
13- 4.4
14- 3.9
15- 4.9
16- 4.0
17- 4.8
18- 4.5
19- 4.3
20- 4.5
21- 3.8
22- 3.9
23- 3.7
24- 3.8

Average - 4.26


My Hero Academia(episodes)

0- 3.3
1- 3.4
2- 3.5
3- 3.9
4- 2.9
5- 2.9
6- 3.5
7- 3.4
8- 3.0
9- 3.2
10- 3.0
11- 2.8
12- 2.9

Average - 3.2


All series in that timeslot excepting Denpa Kyoshin that was a major flop did better than My Hero Academia! So right now is the 2nd worse series in the timeslot.

 

[Leoat12]

What a plot twist. What everybody thought was a success is in a sense a failure? XD

 

[savethecat]

What a plot twist. What everybody thought was a success is in a sense a failure? XD

Well it's doing significantly better than S1 so I don't get how that wouldn't be considered a success

 

[ChocoBar9]

Again wit the same thing? In The Kazenban forum I already shown you wrong. Just Time Bokan 24 the previous series did way better than My Hero Academia.

Yes and in the same forum I refuted claim and proved that you were wrong and you made a fool out of yourself as well but much like G.I.A. you just seem to get triggered whenever anyone brings up My Hero Academia in anything.

All series in that timeslot excepting Denpa Kyoshin that was a major flop did better than My Hero Academia! So right now is the 2nd worse series in the timeslot.

And this is also wrong, Space Brothers averaged a 3.0 when it moved from Sunday to the Saturday slot and Phoenix Wright averaged a 3.4 when all said it done but much like Denpa Kyoshin had a huge drop from the premiered to the finale. With the key exceptions of Magic Kaito and Kindanchi Files R all shows on that slot has averaged the same except Denpa Kyoshin which averaged below a 3.0.

What a plot twist. What everybody thought was a success is in a sense a failure? XD

Don't worry you and Bigvelghq will eat your words like you always do when it gets another season I mean he was barking about how it flopped on Nichigo last year too so I'm not surprised he turned his attention to YTV/NTV but it won't work again.

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Well it's doing significantly better than S1 so I don't get how that wouldn't be considered a success

Apparently the producer does or is more enthusiastic about it then some people on a forum. But then again people seems to believe that if you aren't in the top 10 constantly that means you're doing bad, I guess Naruto (TV Tokyo's most profitable property) and Yokai Watch (net profits over a billion yen) and Precure (do I really have to say it) are all doing poorly simultaneously.

 

[Nakura]

It's not that people think it's doing bad because it's not always in the top 10. If that were the case, every show would be seen as in the danger zone. It's just that it's being held to a higher standard due to where it airs.

It's the same way that we hold series running in Jump to a higher standard sales wise, versus a series running in a significantly less popular magazine.

 

[ChocoBar9]

It's not that people think it's doing bad because it's not always in the top 10. If that were the case, every show would be seen as in the danger zone. It's just that it's being held to a higher standard due to where it airs.

A higher standard where the shows that preceded it were Ultimate Otaku Teacher and Phoenix Wright? I would understand if this was Sunday Adventure were it was coming before One Piece but the Conan boost have not been as substantial to shows as One Piece did to Toriko and Dragonball Super. Magic Kaito and Kindanchi Case Files were double billing where the former was a celebration since it was the first time in 15 years both shows had aired alongside one another but how do you explain everything else not pulling the same numbers? Time Bokan 24 was more of a surprise hit but even that is a established franchise that shared airtime with Conan with the 2009 Yatterman remake. If anycase UOT was a bomb because not only did it bring Conan's ratings down it didn't move merch at all while MHA has moved merch and is all the talk on twitter and other outlets.

Another thing I noticed is that the audience share for Conan, MK, KCF and to a lesser extent TB24 overlapped with one another; Magic Kaito had the biggest benefit from Conan and actually beat it a few times because it was a cross promotion between the two works meant to hype up the next movie which would have both series together, Case Files R was an anniversary series that was hyped up and they even changed the name to the timeslot to "Mystery Zone" to promote both series sharing the same timeslot again, Time Bokan 24 was also an anniversary series where most of its audience share were divided into people who watched Time Bokan growing up and people familiar with the brand though I'm not sure how well its been doing merch wise since it was primarily setup as a reboot to appeal to kids but apparently it did better than expected.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Yes and in the same forum I refuted claim and proved that you were wrong and you made a fool out of yourself as well but much like G.I.A. you just seem to get triggered whenever anyone brings up My Hero Academia in anything.




And this is also wrong, Space Brothers averaged a 3.0 when it moved from Sunday to the Saturday slot and Phoenix Wright averaged a 3.4 when all said it done but much like Denpa Kyoshin had a huge drop from the premiered to the finale. With the key exceptions of Magic Kaito and Kindanchi Files R all shows on that slot has averaged the same except Denpa Kyoshin which averaged below a 3.0.


Don't worry you and Bigvelghq will eat your words like you always do when it gets another season I mean he was barking about how it flopped on Nichigo last year too so I'm not surprised he turned his attention to YTV/NTV but it won't work again.

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Apparently the producer does or is more enthusiastic about it then some people on a forum. But then again people seems to believe that if you aren't in the top 10 constantly that means you're doing bad, I guess Naruto (TV Tokyo's most profitable property) and Yokai Watch (net profits over a billion yen) and Precure (do I really have to say it) are all doing poorly simultaneously.

Why you do this to yourself?


Space Brothers(episodes in timeslot before Detective Conan) (Source Anime News Network Top 10 ranking)
52- <3.9
53- 4.2
54- <4.5
55- <3.1
56- 5.2
57- 4.2
58- <4.5
59- <4.5
60- 4.0
61- <4.0
62- <4.8
63- <3.5
64- <4.2
65- 4.8
66- 3.6
67- 4.1
68- 3.9
69- <3.9
70- <4.0
71- 4.7
72- <3.7
73- <4.3
74- <3.6
75- 4.4
76- 5.7
77- 4.5
78- <4.8
79- 4.8
80- 5.7
81- 4.4
82- 5.7
83- 4.4
84- 4.9
85- <5.0
86- <5.0
87- 3.8
88- 3.2
89- 4.8
90- 5.5
91- 4.2
92- <4.6
93- <5.1
94- 5.8
95- <4.8
96- <5.2
97- 5.2
98- <5.4
99- <4.4


23 times not appeared in the Top 10
24 times appeared in the Top 10

Average(when it didn't appeared) - <4.4
Average(When it appeared) - 4.8

The episodes that didn't appeared in the Top 10 would need to have an average of 1.1 for the series overall to have a average of 3.0 rating.

 

[ruggia]

I thought most people knew HeroAca's ratings were mediocre/average for its time slot?

2chan's been making a fuss about it since the beginning of the season.

 

[UnspokenCoconut]

Yes and in the same forum I refuted claim and proved that you were wrong and you made a fool out of yourself as well but much like G.I.A. you just seem to get triggered whenever anyone brings up My Hero Academia in anything.

Hmm, is it just me that feel you actually are the one whom get triggered when anyone saying bad about MHA? From your long explanation, did seems like it.

 

[Leoat12]

I thought most people knew HeroAca's ratings were mediocre/average for its time slot?

2chan's been making a fuss about it since the beginning of the season.

I don't have the patience @Bigivelfhq has to look for and organize TV charts to see. Look at the post above yours! XD

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It's not that people think it's doing bad because it's not always in the top 10. If that were the case, every show would be seen as in the danger zone. It's just that it's being held to a higher standard due to where it airs.

It's the same way that we hold series running in Jump to a higher standard sales wise, versus a series running in a significantly less popular magazine.

That's why My Hero Academia anime can be seen as a failure. The same way we hold Jump series to a higher standard, editors and animation staff also do the same. I don't think it will prevent My Hero Academia to get a new season, but it will certainly not be in this timeslot again because it has been clearly underused with My Hero Academia airing in it.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Hmm, is it just me that feel you actually are the one whom get triggered when anyone saying bad about MHA? From your long explanation, did seems like it.

So correcting misinformation means people are triggered now? Lots of stupid people here today.

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I thought most people knew HeroAca's ratings were mediocre/average for its time slot?

2chan's been making a fuss about it since the beginning of the season.

2chan is also the place that stated that it killed Nichigo which couldn't be further from the truth.

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That's why My Hero Academia anime can be seen as a failure. The same way we hold Jump series to a higher standard, editors and animation staff also do the same. I don't think it will prevent My Hero Academia to get a new season, but it will certainly not be in this timeslot again because it has been clearly underused with My Hero Academia airing in it.

So you have proof of them stating what expectations for HeroAca was?

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Ace Attorney(episodes)

1- 6.5
2- 5.2
3- 5.7
4- 4.3
5- 5.3
6- 4.3
7- <3.6
8- 3.6
9- 4.2
10- 4.0
11- 4.5
12- 3.4
13- 3.4
14- 4.3
15- 4.0
16- 3.1
17- 4.4
18- 4.3
19- 2.5
20- 3.9
21- 3.4
22- 5.3
23-<3.2
24- 3.5

2 times not appeared in the Top 10
22 times appeared in the Top 10

Average(when it didn't appeared) - <3.4
Average(When it appeared) - 4.1

Where's the 3.4?

 

[ChocoBar9]

Where's the 3.4?

The portion where you failed math at.

 

[Leoat12]

So you have proof of them stating what expectations for HeroAca was?

The timeslot they put the series to be aired?
Man, give up, @Bigivelfhq is showing NUMBERS. Unless the numbers are false, which I doubt, My Hero Academia has had a tv rating average smaller than the previous series. There is no way to deny that, or are you going to defy the rules of mathematics now?

 

[ChocoBar9]

The timeslot they put the series to be aired?

So you don't know you're just making an assumption based off nothing like Big does.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

So you don't know you're just making an assumption based off nothing like Big does.

Oh, so now the TV ratings and Math is nothing! OK

 

[ChocoBar9]

Oh, so now the TV ratings and Math is nothing! OK

I just need a quote from Toho saying what their expectations for MHA is because bare in mind what your saying that all TV anime had the same expectations is hysterical. Bare in mind you're the same guy that said the first season didn't do well and it killed its block.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

I just need a quote from Toho saying what their expectations for MHA is because bare in mind what your saying that all TV anime had the same expectations is hysterical. Bare in mind you're the same guy that said the first season didn't do well and it killed its block.

I never even talked about any kind of expectations of MHA or if it was doing well or not in this conversation. You need to chill, you're starting to mix what each people is saying.

The first season of MHA in fact didn't do well, it did pretty bad, and it was the beginning of the fall of Nichigo timeslot. Fall that just 1 year later(or something like that) ended.
I will say that the 2nd season is doing better than what the 1st did, but still isn't doing that well. If not for the epic Denpa Kyoshin MHA 2nd season would be the black sheep of this timeslot.

 

[razerxs]

I just need a quote from Toho saying what their expectations for MHA is because bare in mind what your saying that all TV anime had the same expectations is hysterical. Bare in mind you're the same guy that said the first season didn't do well and it killed its block.

Why would they air the show in a high rated slot if they didn't expect it to perform as well as other shows have in the same block?

I'd understand if they'd accept lesser ratings since MHA is a talk-heavy show, but it apparently lost to the weaker half of Space Brothers.