Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Tamil]

I don't see the big deal...Kinnikuman has a lot of ridiculous designs. Takeshi has a lot

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Kinnikuman

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[Leoat12]

the only difference in my eyes is one have his mouth closed and the others are opening their mouths

I can understand never hearing about Midori Makibao but how can you not know Luckyman?

didn't you read Bakuman?

You should open your eyes and minds to the details, you are failing hard lately.

Bakuman shows dozens of series, what do you expect? That I remember all of them? I still can't make miracles, you know. XD

 

[Tamil]

The ball of fur there looks very static, no expression, doesn't have anything to makes me think that it will be funny or likeable.

That's way too early to judge.

 

[AllEyez]

Naruto and Bleach weren't even the top 3 most sold for WSJ when the "Big 3" concept became a thing -.-
Something like One Piece, Dragon Ball, Kochikame or Dragonball, One Piece, Kochikame. Naruto just recently cracked the #3 spot after it ended (something like 220 million copies sold)

Big 3 is the concept of the top 3 most popular MAINSTREAM anime in the West.

edit: if you want to argue about top 3 best selling manga per volume at that time. It was One Piece, Hunter x Hunter and Naruto in the magazine, then Prince of Tennis is also up there.

Also, mentioning Big 3 in 2017 . You guys are giving me flashback to those Youtube's comment about the list of Big 3. I have to get my eyes Bleach after reading those lists lol.

wait what?

Naruto and Bleach were the 2nd and 3rd most sold during most of there run with OP(exluding HXH)

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Strange how this year's Cup has come and gone without last year's winner being serialized. Jump Square did the same. If they aren't going to serialize the winner what's the point of them to begin with? Not the the last few ones have been good. Beelzebub was last successful winner if I'm not mistaken

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Strange how this year's Cup has come and gone without last year's winner being serialized. Jump Square did the same. If they aren't going to serialize the winner what's the point of them to begin with? Not the the last few ones have been good. Beelzebub was last successful winner if I'm not mistaken

Probably the winner of last year will be serialized next year.

 

[TyVip]

wait what?

Naruto and Bleach were the 2nd and 3rd most sold during most of there run with OP(exluding HXH)

"it had to do with the top 3 most sold for WSJ"
- this statement is wrong for overall sale. My statement stands when "Big 3" became a thing, and still stands when Bleach ended.

"Naruto and Bleach were the 2nd and 3rd most sold during most of there run with OP"
What year are you talking about since it isn't necessarily true. Individual volumes Bleach is up there, but not overall volumes sale.

Bleach serialized in 2002

Pre 2008 there are no true data since Oricon start to record stuff in 2008. But some estimate

2003: One piece/Hunter x Hunter/Naruto
2005: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter/
2006: Death Note/One Piece/Naruto

There is no way Bleach is in top 3 "excluding Hunter x hunter" from 2003 to 2006 since Deathnote exists. Prince of Tennis still at its prime

2007: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter
2008: One Piece/Naruto/Hitman Reborn/ Bleach - official data, bleach is selling for 800k/volume, so it's top 3 "exlucding Hunter x Hunter"
2009: One piece/Naruto/Bleach
2010: One PIece/Naruto/Bleach
2011: One Piece/Naruto/Toriko
2012: One Piece/Kuroko/Naruto - Bleach start to drop and KnB is catching up in individual volume sale
2013: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter/ Gintama
2014: One Piece/Haikyuu/Naruto/Ass Class

source: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?clubid=65525
5 years in top 3 isn't most of its run (that's 1/3), and i don't know why you exclude Hunter x Hunter out of this. Naruto is top 2 for most of its run though.

So total sale Bleach top 3 for 3 years, individual volumes Bleach is top 3 for around 5 years.

And again, Big 3 is the top 3 most popular mainstream modern anime in the west.

 

[Tanzo]

The Jump Festa 2018 super stage lineup will be revealed next issue according to this week's issue.

 

[Shinji Hirako]

"it had to do with the top 3 most sold for WSJ"
- this statement is wrong for overall sale. My statement stands when "Big 3" became a thing, and still stands when Bleach ended.

"Naruto and Bleach were the 2nd and 3rd most sold during most of there run with OP"
What year are you talking about since it isn't necessarily true. Individual volumes Bleach is up there, but not overall volumes sale.

Bleach serialized in 2002

Pre 2008 there are no true data since Oricon start to record stuff in 2008. But some estimate

2003: One piece/Hunter x Hunter/Naruto
2005: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter/
2006: Death Note/One Piece/Naruto

There is no way Bleach is in top 3 "excluding Hunter x hunter" from 2003 to 2006 since Deathnote exists. Prince of Tennis still at its prime

2007: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter
2008: One Piece/Naruto/Hitman Reborn/ Bleach - official data, bleach is selling for 800k/volume, so it's top 3 "exlucding Hunter x Hunter"
2009: One piece/Naruto/Bleach
2010: One PIece/Naruto/Bleach
2011: One Piece/Naruto/Toriko
2012: One Piece/Kuroko/Naruto - Bleach start to drop and KnB is catching up in individual volume sale
2013: One Piece/Naruto/Hunter x Hunter/ Gintama
2014: One Piece/Haikyuu/Naruto/Ass Class

source: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?clubid=65525
5 years in top 3 isn't most of its run (that's 1/3), and i don't know why you exclude Hunter x Hunter out of this. Naruto is top 2 for most of its run though.

So total sale Bleach top 3 for 3 years, individual volumes Bleach is top 3 for around 5 years.

And again, Big 3 is the top 3 most popular mainstream modern anime in the west.

So much bias in this post that I don't even know where to begin.

Firstly in 2005 Hunter x Hunter only released 2 volumes in comparison to 5 Bleach volumes. There is no way that 2 Hunter volumes outsold 5 Bleach volumes considering 3 of those 5 had print runs over 1 million.
Lol at Prince of Tennis, Bleach became bigger than it in 2005: http://www.geocities.jp/wj_log/rank/rank0.html#BLEACH

Secondly Bleach as a series outsold Naruto in 2006 so you were incorrect: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1372822

Thirdly in 2007 Hunter x Hunter only released 1 volume so obviously Bleach outsold it

Your right though that it wasn't top 3 for the majority of its run as we all know of its downfall 2011-16.

 

[Doughboy]

Big 3 will always be OP, Naruto, and Bleach. The more popular the series the more it gets dissected and critiqued. But I'll never forget any of these in their hayday, hell we always bring them up in debates just to have a measuring stick or a comparison. I don't think we'll ever shake off these series. I remember watching OP, Naruto, and DBZ on late night Toonami and then when Bleach came on I changed the channel lol. I never once checked it out until it was over. Lowkey, I was shocked when I saw Bleach's last print count was recorded as 90 mil while OP's (now) is 400 and Naruto's 220?? The discrepancy was truly larger than I ever thought.

Magical Boys X... the art is amazing but I agree character designs didn't look as good compared to the preview image. Still, I think this was my favorite one but that's not saying much considering I only like the MMA one out of the other 4.

 

[Leoat12]

Hunter x Hunter was never there for us to discuss about it so you cannot complain about it never be part of the big 3, the big 3 was always One Piece, Naruto and Bleach. It is like the Dream Team, teams will come and go, but never one will surpass the Dream Team.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Big 3 started with 2 things happening at the same time and then each people started giving such different meanings that the only thing that was common was which series were the Big 3: One Piece, Naruto, Bleach. Now, that is the only thing that you can touch of the concept and so is like a fixed thing.

The 2 things that happened were. The fame in the west. Naruto had a mega huge boom, Bleach got a big boom in the USA and a good popularity in Europe. One Piece got a good popularity in the west, bet never a big boom(still it was more popular than Bleach in Europe overall).
And the fact that those series were the longest most profitable series in the magazine. Note, I'm not talking of volume sales, I'm talking of the magazine. For at least 8 consecutive years, these 3 series were what we call the "Pillars" of the magazine. The 3 series that appear in the front in Group Color Pages.

 

[Doughboy]

Disappointed nobody mentioned this, had to double take to make sure her shirt read "Thug Life" . Real world references are the best.

 

[ElJin]

Eight volumes of Black Clover are back to the TOP 500 Shoseki on 10/01.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Makes me wonder if Hunter x Hunter could have made it the "Big Four" if it had a consistent release schedule. It sold better per volume than Bleach, right? Plus, look at how popular and critically acclaimed the 2011 anime is. It's crazy to think about it.

 

[tirakai]

I doubt we'd have had a Big 4, people like their trios too much. It might've possibly taken One Piece's place though, it was always the least popular of the three in the west back then.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Makes me wonder if Hunter x Hunter could have made it the "Big Four" if it had a consistent release schedule. It sold better per volume than Bleach, right? Plus, look at how popular and critically acclaimed the 2011 anime is. It's crazy to think about it.

Hunter x Hunter anime and manga got a pretty regular Schedule in the West at the time.
Also while in the internet HxH 2011 is treated like god, it didn't had that equal impact in the general public. I would say it had a similar impact to Soul Eater and Fullmetal Alchemist. Super popular with the anime fans, but not that much , even though significant, in the "mainstream".

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I doubt we'd have had a Big 4, people like their trios too much. It might've possibly taken One Piece's place though, it was always the least popular of the three in the west back then.

One Piece wasn't the least popular in the west. Just in America. And maybe is some strange places of europe like England :P. But in the rest of Europe. France, Italy, Germany, Portugal, ... One Piece was more popular than Bleach.
Also at that time HxH was being released regularly, both the 1999 anime and the manga.

 

[Mammo]

Viz should be out soon, hopefully we will get a better preview for the new series with a Jump starts announcement

You should open your eyes and minds to the details, you are failing hard lately.

Bakuman shows dozens of series, what do you expect? That I remember all of them? I still can't make miracles, you know. XD

Luckyman is pretty important to Bakuman's plot tho

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Viz should be out soon, hopefully we will get a better preview for the new series with a Jump starts announcement



Luckyman is pretty important to Bakuman's plot tho

Is not really Luckyman, but just a "parody" of it. Basically the manga of the Uncle of the main character is a parody of Luckyman. And is believed that the author of Death Note, Bakuman and Platinum End is also the Mangaka(author and artist) of Luckyman in real life.

 

[Mammo]

I know it's a parody, but he still said he didn't recognize it when they look extremely similar

I'm also well aware of the "Ohba is Gamo" theory