Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

Dunno if this was posted before, but MHA just barely made it into the Top 10 media franchises of this year.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2017-12-23/top-selling-media-franchises-in-japan-2017/.125682

On another note, Todoroki got 9th place in "Most appealing character poll"

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...-includes-old-favorites-new-surprises/.125644

Seems likes bad year for jump, only one in the top 10, only 4 in the top 30

 

[cody]

Someone posted the top 10 franchises a few weeks ago and it was a bit different. Your name was first, I think.

Now I remember, it was a picture of a chart from a magazine.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 23, 2017, Original Post Date: Dec 23, 2017 ---

I hope next year at least one or two new upcoming/rookie authors manage to find success in the magazine. Dr. Stone is from two very experienced mangaka, one of them already had a hit series in WSJ. Bokuben is from an author that quite a few serializations, in different magazines, then did the Nisekoi spin-off in Jump plus and now has managed to get into WSJ and Robo is from an author that had a hit manga in WSJ not too long ago.


Let's look at this year's failed series and think about what they did wrong, feel free to share your own thoughts, in-depth or not:

I'm no mangaka and I know it's incredibly difficult to be one, so I respect all of these people for trying and I hope they all learn from their failures and find success in the future if they can.


For pretty much all of these I only read the first chapter or first few chapters, so this is quite literally what my first impressions are, I don't like to seriously start reading new WSJ manga as they start out because they are at a huge risk of getting axed and I like to wait until there is some stability before I really start reading something from WSJ.

U19 - I only read a bit of it, but I immediately lost interest because it felt too amateurish and maybe too a bit too edgy for me.

Demon Prince Poro’s Diaries - I couldn't finish the first chapter because I was really bored, the art was cute, the comedy didn't do much for me and the manga had an identity crisis from a quick glance, was it trying to be an action or a comedy or a school series or a slice of life or all of them? One huge red flag I remember was seeing a direct homage to other legendary manga from the magazine right at the start, which seemed like a cheap way to try to get some attention from fans of those manga.

Hungry Marie - I remember this one also bored me a lot, I think the second or third chapter was more interesting, but then I got bored again. This series, like Poro, had an identity crisis, I feel like the manga didn't know what it wanted to be and that led to its demise, it over-complicated itself to the point were things were tedious.Comedy also didn't do much for me.

Cross Account - This one I instantly dropped as it started off with a locker room of girls changing and the mc walked in over them. That was enough for me to know that there would be nothing more to this manga if this is the statement the mangaka made when he started things off. A cheap fanservice attention grab in the first 2-3 pages is too much.

Shoodan - I really liked this one, but the mangaka probably should've seriously picked a different magazine. When was the last time a soccer manga managed to survive in WSJ? Like over 15 years ago?

Full Drive - I remember I got kind of excited for it for whatever reason. It's just too amateurish in every way and the author seems to be struggling with keeping up.

Golem Hearts - It wasn't interesting enough? Idk, I can't pinpoint what the reason is, but this simply failed to grab my attention.

 

[nonowa]

I thought Full Drive's chapter and the definition of the characters was kinda interesting, the mangaka just couldn't keep it up.

 

[savethecat]

U19’s problem was that it took its silly plot too serious. It should have set out to be really goofy and silly, with action mixed in.

Poro could have been successful if the plot was switch around imo. Instead of Poro leaving the Demon world and going to a Japanese High School. And Japanese High School student should have left Japan to attend a demon high school(maybe he dies). The designs were great, and I felt like the author got most creative with his Demon designs and Demon settings.

Hungry Marie was just sorta boring. The synopsis doesn’t really pique any interest, and a little too “out there”

Didn’t even bother with Cross Account.

I actually loved what I read from Shudan. Wish the axe wasn’t on the way.

Golem Hearts is fun, but feels a bit empty at the same time

 

[Aipom626]

Poro could have been successful if the plot was switch around imo. Instead of Poro leaving the Demon world and going to a Japanese High School. And Japanese High School student should have left Japan to attend a demon high school(maybe he dies). The designs were great, and I felt like the author got most creative with his Demon designs and Demon settings.

If that concept interests you, you should try reading Mairimashita! Iruma-kun in Weekly Shonen Champion. The artwork starts out a little rough, but it improves as you go on. I have really liked it a lot so far, but Poro felt dull to me in comparison.

I'm not sure what magazine in specific Shudan should've went to instead of WSJ, but I agree that this was just a bad fit magazine-wise and not for the plot.

 

[nonowa]

There is something people jokingly call "the curse of Tsubasa", it's about how no soccer manga afterwards manages to get very far in Jump.

Oh, The Promised Neverland finally got an official site. It's pretty classy: https://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp_neverland/

 

[Drmke]

There is something people jokingly call "the curse of Tsubasa", it's about how no soccer manga afterwards manages to get very far in Jump.

Except Whistle...

 

[RafaFedKilla]

There is something people jokingly call "the curse of Tsubasa", it's about how no soccer manga afterwards manages to get very far in Jump.

Oh, The Promised Neverland finally got an official site. It's pretty classy: https://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp_neverland/

S curse is what definitely held back Tokyo Wonder Boys...

 

[TyVip]

Waiting for a comment about Ole Golazo and Bamba the Man being held back by that curse.
and how he could have written galaxy gangs instead.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

Waiting for a comment about Ole Golazo and Bamba the Man being held back by that curse.
and how he could have written galaxy gangs instead.

Should've done KK in The City of Ghost. Legit best Jump Giga series since Flower Samurai of The Sahara

 

[cody]

Waiting for a comment about Ole Golazo and Bamba the Man being held back by that curse.
and how he could have written galaxy gangs instead.

How about Galaxy Golazo?

If that concept interests you, you should try reading Mairimashita! Iruma-kun in Weekly Shonen Champion. The artwork starts out a little rough, but it improves as you go on. I have really liked it a lot so far, but Poro felt dull to me in comparison.

I'm not sure what magazine in specific Shudan should've went to instead of WSJ, but I agree that this was just a bad fit magazine-wise and not for the plot.

There was the magazine that had the manga for Inazuma Eleven and the Pokemon adventures manga, but I think it ceased publication a year ago or this year. Iruma-kun is great fun, I've been reading it.

 

[Tanzo]

There was the magazine that had the manga for Inazuma Eleven and the Pokemon adventures manga, but I think it ceased publication a year ago or this year. Iruma-kun is great fun, I've been reading it.

You mean this one?

CoroCoro January 2018 issue topped 1M prints for the first time in 2 years.

Circulation History:
2004 - 1,200K
2005 - 1,090K
2006 - 960K
2008 - 930K
2009 - 920K
2010 - 1,010K
2011 - 890K
2012 - 710K
2013 - 617K
2014 - 673K
2015 - 1,050K
2016 - 870K
2017 - 763K
2018 - 1,000K+

All hail Splatoon.

Looks alive and well to me.

 

[cody]

You mean this one?

Looks alive and well to me.

Yeah, that's the one, I must've thought of a similar magazine that stopped coming out or I'm just wrong all together.

 

[Reigen]

Oh, The Promised Neverland finally got an official site. It's pretty classy: https://www.shonenjump.com/j/sp_neverland/

It's been half a year since the website got launched.

 

[Franz]

It's volume sell around 300-400k. That's definitely a notable success.

It's 30 in the Top 50 of most sealed manga of the year.

 

[nonowa]

It's been half a year since the website got launched.

I'm pretty sure it just had the part with the first 3 sample chapters and the IQ test before.

 

[De La Croissant]

Toriko suffers from the Comparison Syndrome. It sold 300k per volume, which is very good, but since Bleach and Naruto sold more, 300k = mediocrity. Boku no Hero suffers something similar, sells 500k per volume, but since AssClass and Haikyuu sell more, 500k = flop. Being one of the "big heads" of the cover is not easy.

Meanwhile Hinomaru Zumou strives to reach the 100k.

 

[SharkBait]

Toriko suffers from the Comparison Syndrome. It sold 300k per volume, which is very good, but since Bleach and Naruto sold more, 300k = mediocrity. Boku no Hero suffers something similar, sells 500k per volume, but since AssClass and Haikyuu sell more, 500k = flop. Being one of the "big heads" of the cover is not easy.

Isnt heroaca at HQ level though.

People only see toriko as failure is because of the vague foggy murku intangible definition of their perception that it was pushed so much that it should be at one piece level.

 

[De La Croissant]

Many think that BnHA has been pushed to be the new Naruto, so its sales need to be on the same level as well. That's why BC is even more f*cked up.

 

[SharkBait]

Its doubtful heroaca will ever reach peak naruto sales and be a global phenomenon.