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I believe that the basic reasoning in the entertainment world is "it does not matter if it's beautiful or if it's bad, it's enough that you talk about it".
True and not true. You don't talk about something unless a good number of people have enjoyed it. All famous series ARE famous because to many, at least at that point, the series was good and worth talking about to others. If it's something that is not good, why would people talk about it other than to tell someone "Don't bother watching it".
Negative press will only get you so far. Negative press is a good way to gain some attention on your series if said negativity is about something that is controversial.
Now pure negative press like bad script, writing, story, drawing etc won't do you any good because it's going to be a negative reaction from the majority. It won't lead to any traction aside from making the fall harder for the series.
However, negative press in the sense of a controversial topic in the series or too much blood or skin being shown are all negatives that could be a positive to others. That's what the ghost tits series in WSJ is doing. It's getting negative attention from it's controversial CPs but there are many who want to access such series that do such ecchi stuff. So, the negative press in this case would mostly be a positive for the series.

Also, things like animation, sound, story, writing are not purely subjective. There would be a majority that either finds it good or bad. Of course, there would be others who would think the opposite but if the majority think it's bad, then yes it's most certainly getting a negative reception.
 

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I think this guy is on to something:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/in...es-publishers-attacks-on-piracy-sites/.127695
Unrelated but good insight on Piracy
The article seems to only reference the decline of physical manga volumes and it seems to never reference the sales of the digital versions, which we can assume are on the rise as of late. It make more sense to at least give that point of reference also why would the falling physical sales have a connection to piracy when Yoshida stated that manga piracy has been around for a long while and just now its affecting sales seems a bit weird to me.
 

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This anime speculation for Kimetsu really needs to be held back for a bit. Sure it seems like an anime is all but confirmed but I can't go 2-3 pages without another "which studio will produce Kimetsu" discussion.
I don't think you understood what I meant. I should've said that in general an adaptation for WSJ is a big deal, do you understand what I meant now?
An anime adaptation for any series is a big deal. WSJ isn't some special tower for anime producers. Most WSJ anime don't even do well in BDs and rake in revenue through merchandise, manga and games. Its a fact that BD sales are still an important source of revenue for producers especially the disc makers which usually tend to be on top of the committee. OP. DB, Naruto and the like should be excluded due to the fact that they're systems are set up differently and are household names. BDs are an irreplaceable source of revenue for current anime, even for something like BC, a daytime series which most probably will not sell well.

Kimetsu has had great growth in volume sales but let's look at it objectively;

**圏外 (3)│------│------│------│------┃*,**,圏外 (**3)┃2016/06|鬼滅の刃 1 ※初動16,966以下

│*81312 (5)│109936│122681│------│------┃*,122,681 (*19)┃2017/10|鬼滅の刃 8
│*89077 (7)│110729│******│130267│------┃*,130,267 (*28)┃2017/12|鬼滅の刃 9

This is the latest in volume sales in the Top 50 weekly oricon. The actual amount as of today will be greater but we don't have that number. Now consider:
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime 6 16,008 288,164

Slime is a manga that's serialized in Shonen Sirius, a monthly magazine that has a print run of less than 10k. Considering these circumstances, I can argue that Slime is a bigger hit than Kimetsu because its visibility is so much lower. You can say that we shouldn't compare outside of WSJ but anime producers don't look at series that way. They look at each individual series and assess how much potential said series has and how to make the most profit off of it. To anime producers, Kimetsu will be more visible due to it being in Jump but both are just a viable for an adaptation. Both can blow up given the right circumstances and an anime adaptation.
 

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This anime speculation for Kimetsu really needs to be held back for a bit. Sure it seems like an anime is all but confirmed but I can't go 2-3 pages without another "which studio will produce Kimetsu" discussion.

An anime adaptation for any series is a big deal. WSJ isn't some special tower for anime producers. Most WSJ anime don't even do well in BDs and rake in revenue through merchandise, manga and games. Its a fact that BD sales are still an important source of revenue for producers especially the disc makers which usually tend to be on top of the committee. OP. DB, Naruto and the like should be excluded due to the fact that they're systems are set up differently and are household names. BDs are an irreplaceable source of revenue for current anime, even for something like BC, a daytime series which most probably will not sell well.

Kimetsu has had great growth in volume sales but let's look at it objectively;

**圏外 (3)│------│------│------│------┃*,**,圏外 (**3)┃2016/06|鬼滅の刃 1 ※初動16,966以下

│*81312 (5)│109936│122681│------│------┃*,122,681 (*19)┃2017/10|鬼滅の刃 8
│*89077 (7)│110729│******│130267│------┃*,130,267 (*28)┃2017/12|鬼滅の刃 9

This is the latest in volume sales in the Top 50 weekly oricon. The actual amount as of today will be greater but we don't have that number. Now consider:
That Time I Got Reincarnated as a Slime 6 16,008 288,164

Slime is a manga that's serialized in Shonen Sirius, a monthly magazine that has a print run of less than 10k. Considering these circumstances, I can argue that Slime is a bigger hit than Kimetsu because its visibility is so much lower. You can say that we shouldn't compare outside of WSJ but anime producers don't look at series that way. They look at each individual series and assess how much potential said series has and how to make the most profit off of it. To anime producers, Kimetsu will be more visible due to it being in Jump but both are just a viable for an adaptation. Both can blow up given the right circumstances and an anime adaptation.
You like the idea of bringing up a manga from a different publisher and a smaller magazine that is doing well and you also like to leave out big details. Why bring up Slime? That also had a super popular LN first and it started as a web novel. Slime is a monthly manga. How many big hits do Shounen Sirius have in comparison to WSJ?

"WSJ isn't some special tower for anime producers. Most WSJ anime don't even do well in BDs and rake in revenue through merchandise, manga and games. Its a fact that BD sales are still an important source of revenue for producers especially the disc makers which usually tend to be on top of the committee. "

I disagree, producers seem to be lining up at the chance to adapt material from WSJ, simply because it is the biggest magazine. The ratio and speed at which WSJ manga get adapted is quite high, you can't disagree with that. Also, look at Food Wars, Ass Class and Boku no Hero academia, they all had low BD and DVD sales, yet they all got sequels, if BD sales would matter for WSJ adaptations then these wouldn't have gotten sequels then?

Looking at things objectively, Kimetsu is a growing action battle shounen manga in WSJ, which is something that is pretty sought after by WSJ, since their survival ratio is small in the magazine and WSJ always seem to be desperate to get more of them. If KnY made it this far we can assume an anime is going to show up.
 

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The article seems to only reference the decline of physical manga volumes and it seems to never reference the sales of the digital versions, which we can assume are on the rise as of late. It make more sense to at least give that point of reference also why would the falling physical sales have a connection to piracy when Yoshida stated that manga piracy has been around for a long while and just now its affecting sales seems a bit weird to me.
It always affected sales, but you cannot measure something you are not in control. A study has to be made about how much impact piracy has in sales and publishers probably have such studies, but they don't disclose to the public, of course. It is a fact that it impacts, there are people who read in pirate websites while the manga is not published in their country and after it is licensed they buy it, great, but there are also people who don't do that and continue to consume pirate content even when there are legal ways to read, so less one person that could be buying, but is not.
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He is right about publishers having a passive behavior when it comes to looking for new ways to serve readers. I personally thinks that the publishing of magazines nowadays are extremely outdated. It really frustrates me how I cannot pay some amount per month and read what I want to read instead of having to buy the entire magazine just to read a few series or, in extreme cases, just one series. I will give a recent example: Act-Age. I really want to continue to read it weekly in Japanese because I don't have any confidence at all at VIZ, but how can I do that without resorting to piracy? I don't want to buy the entire Japanese magazine just to read a single series, I already read everything I'm interested in Jump on ESJ, so it would be a waste of money. There are other sites that are starting to put this business model in practice. Sites/Apps like Comico, Manga One, etc let you buy some coins for some dollars and each coin is worth one chapter and you can use to whatever series you want. It gives much more freedom to the reader and the publisher will have absolute control of what is popular and what is not as always. I'm really looking for plataforms like Comic and Manga One and I will certainly support them more in the future, it is a great idea that must be supported.

Just saw that Yoshida said what I'm thinking here:

"Yoshida thinks that websites that legally allow fans to read a variety of manga for a set price could provide an answer. He recognized that such sites do already exist, but he believes that the selection of titles offered on such sites remains too limited. He also thinks prices for access to digital manga should decrease."
 

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Looking at things objectively, Kimetsu is a growing action battle shounen manga in WSJ, which is something that is pretty sought after by WSJ, since their survival ratio is small in the magazine and WSJ always seem to be desperate to get more of them. If KnY made it this far we can assume an anime is going to show up.
There have been manga that have sold just as much or lasted just as long if not longer yet still didn't get an anime. Psyren and MxO come to mind.
 

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There have been manga that have sold just as much or lasted just as long if not longer yet still didn't get an anime. Psyren and MxO come to mind.
Both of those are from 9-10 years before Kimetsu even started. Different times. Even HZ got an anime. If there's anything that will delay anime adaptations it's the fact that animation studios are currently booked for years with anime productions.
 

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All I'm saying is that an anime adaptation is not as certain as you would think.

Anyway, I don't feel like discussing this anymore since I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before because someone keeps bringing it up.
 

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Both of those are from 9-10 years before Kimetsu even started. Different times. Even HZ got an anime. If there's anything that will delay anime adaptations it's the fact that animation studios are currently booked for years with anime productions.
It got an anime announcement, 3 1/2 years after the manga started, and so far there is zero information about the HZ anime. It could air at the end of this year which would make it 4 1/2 years after the manga started.
If they do it this way with KnY you can expect the anime announcement for it sometime around august 2019, and see the actual anime in the summer/fall season of 2020.
 

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All I'm saying is that an anime adaptation is not as certain as you would think.

Anyway, I don't feel like discussing this anymore since I'm pretty sure we've had this discussion before because someone keeps bringing it up.
Eh, if you say so. I'd say it's more than certain.

It got an anime announcement, 3 1/2 years after the manga started, and so far there is zero information about the HZ anime. It could air at the end of this year which would make it 4 1/2 years after the manga started.
If they do it this way with KnY you can expect the anime announcement for it sometime around august 2019, and see the actual anime in the summer/fall season of 2020.
Considering how busy and booked animation studios are right now until 2020, maybe that will happen, who knows. We have information about the HZ anime, that it will adapt 17 volumes of content, which might mean that the wait was longer because they wanted to adapt a lot of content or the first part of the manga, but who knows, we can only speculate.

I expect a quicker announcement looking at how quickly WSJ tend to announce anime adaptations overall. If it takes longer, that wouldn't be bad either since more content would gather and it would mean the manga would have a good decently long run in WSJ.
 

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I mean, there are some that never got an anime. Psyren being one of them.
 

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Psyren was canceled
 

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^It did have 16 volumes though. Never rule out the possibility that Kimitsu can be canceled before they decide to greenlight an anime. I mean it just started improving in sales and ranks last year.
 

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True and not true. You don't talk about something unless a good number of people have enjoyed it. All famous series ARE famous because to many, at least at that point, the series was good and worth talking about to others. If it's something that is not good, why would people talk about it other than to tell someone "Don't bother watching it".
Negative press will only get you so far. Negative press is a good way to gain some attention on your series if said negativity is about something that is controversial.
Now pure negative press like bad script, writing, story, drawing etc won't do you any good because it's going to be a negative reaction from the majority. It won't lead to any traction aside from making the fall harder for the series.
However, negative press in the sense of a controversial topic in the series or too much blood or skin being shown are all negatives that could be a positive to others. That's what the ghost tits series in WSJ is doing. It's getting negative attention from it's controversial CPs but there are many who want to access such series that do such ecchi stuff. So, the negative press in this case would mostly be a positive for the series.

Also, things like animation, sound, story, writing are not purely subjective. There would be a majority that either finds it good or bad. Of course, there would be others who would think the opposite but if the majority think it's bad, then yes it's most certainly getting a negative reception.
But even if it was really a problem?

Many anime in the past were ill-designed, not loyal to the manga ect, but their work did. The anime of City Hunter was not very faithful to the manga, yet he made the product known. The anime of Lupin III very little resembled the first chapters, yet it has given way to a brand that has lasted for half a century ....

We do not talk about Saint Seiya, but in recent times also Naruto, One Piece ....

If we take a recent manga or I know Black Clover, although many believe that the anime is slow, badly designed or all the worst things, has paid attention to the manga. Before they spoke few, now they speak many, certainly good and bad, but the launch pad is there. So I can assure you that for all those who launch s ***** t on Black Clover there are as many who defend it, at most if you do not like the souls will throw on the manga and make them the comments and paraogni , as happened years ago with Dragon Ball or Naruto.

It's OK that now with My Hero we are better at home, but we must consider that for years this kind of adaptation has never been.

KImetsu independently of the srudio to which he will be entrusted will have an anime (speaking hypothetically) so he will act on himself. The anime will not be as good as that of My Hero? Not bad, people will go to the manga and in this mood the anime will have done the job.

I understand the desire to see your favorite product well animated, but must accept the compromises and look on the bright side.
 

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Since the old list I once saw seems to be lost, which was more complete, I compiled a list of what chapter WSJ manga were on when they got their anime announcements. Manga from 2012-present day only. If there are any mistakes, please say so.

World Trigger - 60
Boku no Hero Academia - 65
Haikyuu!! - 74
Nisekoi - 76
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san - 88
Black Clover - 91
Shokugeki no Souma - 93
Assassination Classroom - 97
Hinomaruzumou - 175
Saiki - 194
 

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Yeah, I’m still waiting for the Yuuna anime to be announced-Oh, wait
throwback to when people said it wouldn’t get announced last year

Kimetsu and Neverland anime will probably get announced this year, and even if they don’t premiere this year, Jump doesn’t have anything announced for 2019 yet.
It’s way too early to even consider Dr. Stone and WNL too.
 

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Yeah, I’m still waiting for the Yuuna anime to be announced-Oh, wait
throwback to when people said it wouldn’t get announced last year

Kimetsu and Neverland anime will probably get announced this year, and even if they don’t premiere this year, Jump doesn’t have anything announced for 2019 yet.
It’s way too early to even consider Dr. Stone and WNL too.
Yeah, looking at my list, we could have surprise random announcements for Kimetsu and Neverland anytime this year. Kimetsu has 97 chapters and Neverland has 74.

World Trigger - 60
Boku no Hero Academia - 65
Haikyuu!! - 74
Nisekoi - 76
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san - 88
Black Clover - 91
Shokugeki no Souma - 93
Assassination Classroom - 97
Hinomaruzumou - 175
Saiki - 194
 

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Maybe they should wait with further anime announcements until the 2 recently announced anime (Yuuna and Hinomaru) start to air on TV.
 

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Maybe they should wait with further anime announcements until the 2 recently announced anime (Yuuna and Hinomaru) start to air on TV.
Do they typically do that? Do things work like that? Even if they announced something, it would take at least 6 months until the shows actually aired.
 
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