Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Doughboy]

Stone sells decent and could have an anime boost.
If you want to talk about failure,Hinomaru Zumou is the biggest one. He was first in a TOC beating OP before it was common, and people tought at that time if it would become a Kuroko-like seller.... and look at it now, selling 20k with an anime...

Not saying you're wrong. But sumo has barely any mass appeal, people who like that moe soft stuff, fujo thing won't really get attracted to it. 9 times out of 10 a random reader would choose a post apocalyptic premise over a sumo premise. I wouldn't even waste my time with sumo. Context matters, hard to say it was ever set up for success when business wasn't ever booming.

 

[Nemesis]

The whole “branding” thing just seems to be something they do for every new series now/.
But why compare it to other series? Each series are doing their own thing. The genre and year doesn’t matter.
Different series pick up canvases at their own pace.
I

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Just don’t really understand why it’s success is compared Jujutsu and We Never Learn.
Don’t really see how they correlate to Stone.
For Jujutsu, some series just come out with a lot of sales right out the gate. Doesn’t mean that all the older series selling less than it are failing.
We Never Learn is a completely different genre with a different type of fanbase.
And I still don’t feel like Stone gets anymore promo than the other series in the magazine.

Don't take me wrong, I don't think that Stone is some kind of failure or something like that. I just think that so far, with the context that we have, the manga hadn't lived up to the promotions it gets, same as Black Clover and Toriko but in different circumstances.

For why I compare them, for Jujutsu it's because it's a manga that came later and in few volumes already surpassed it. For WNL, because it's a manga that debuted almost at the same time and it's also above it.

And well, about promotions.. Stone is the manga that got more covers on 2018 and one that got most of the CP internally. Not counting that the manga was for most of the time the manga was put in the first positions as well.

 

[LuckyJim]

Everyone lets just say that Dr Stone is Artificial Success and both Jujutsu Kaisen and BokuBen are Natural Success.

What's the difference between an "artificial" and "natural" success? Both We Never Learn and Jujutsu have received a ton of color pages and promotion, and they're from much more popular genres than Dr. Stone.

 

[Tamil]

Hopefully MHA S4 is better than S3. S3 felt like a downgrade to season 2. I hear from manga readers that S4 will cover the best content but idk they said the same thing for S3. The sports festival & stain arc really feels like MHA's peak to me. I mean the content after S2 isnt bad, just not as good as S2.

WT's sales is very impressive.

 

[SharkBait]

Not saying you're wrong. But sumo has barely any mass appeal, people who like that moe soft stuff, fujo thing won't really get attracted to it. 9 times out of 10 a random reader would choose a post apocalyptic premise over a sumo premise. I wouldn't even waste my time with sumo. Context matters, hard to say it was ever set up for success when business wasn't ever booming.

If only ziga and iron knight could have been chosen by readers instead of sumo. Life is unfair.

 

[xAsum0x]

I thought season 3 had a better soundtrack, voice acting performances, and animation then season 2 and 1, but the art just wasn’t consistent, more than likely because the main guy wasn’t doing it for the majority of it and focused on the movie

 

[101nemesis]

Stone is definitely a disappointment, at the very least. It's premise and science background kind of puts it in a very weird category but you'd be lying to yourself if you think it's not a disappointment.

But hey, it got an anime. So lets see what kinda boost it can get. I don't expect it to go past 175k-200k. Just going by how much its volume sales have stagnated.

 

[Zenothehero]

Hopefully MHA S4 is better than S3. S3 felt like a downgrade to season 2. I hear from manga readers that S4 will cover the best content but idk they said the same thing for S3. The sports festival & stain arc really feels like MHA's peak to me. I mean the content after S2 isnt bad, just not as good as S2.

WT's sales is very impressive.

The thing is if MHA can still stay afloat/maintain its popularity with it's season being pushed back.
>Rip to backlogs

 

[Tamil]

The thing is if MHA can still stay afloat/maintain its popularity with it's season being pushed back.
>Rip to backlogs

We'll see but I dont think it has to do with the season being "pushed back".

 

[iceemperor]

If I was Oonishi, I'd push Dr. Stone to high heaven for the next 6 months so that as many people as possible can find out that the anime is airing in Summer 2019. Its social media presence is so thin Jujutsu Kaisen has over double the followers of both its anime and manga accounts put together.

Also, for the prospective boosts of each series; Kimetsu getting to 300k on Oricon would be an absolute miracle. I think it'll be able to do that in 2 months but growth is incredibly difficult right now. Tensei Slime has had its backlogs blow up for the past 3 months with many past volumes charting in the top 50, yet its latest volume which released 2 weeks ago just got to 320k. That's a boost but not as explosive as you'd expect. Dr. Stone getting to 175k would be a miracle in a miracle. Neverland probably has the best shot considering its momentum but even that will probably stop at 700k per volume on Oricon.

 

[Doughboy]

On a positive note on Dr. Stone: this third part has been pretty fun and enjoyable after I dropped and skipped the entire Stone Wars. Couldn't do the meathead and bimbo pair again or the edgy former main villain, too much dip and not enough chip. Hopefully it stays at this energy for awhile.

 

[Nemesis]

Yeah, as far as the manga itself, it's been pretty good for quite some time. Really turnaround after that beginning.

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Line Stickers of WSJ. Looks great.

 

[Zenothehero]

According to Oricon, these are the Top 30 Best Selling Media Franchises of 2018, its just an estimate in yen.Only cover BDs, DVDs, Music CDs, novels & manga in print. Does not include games, film tickets, digital downloads, merchandise & other forms of media sales.

1) THE iDOLM@STER Series
2) Love Live! Series
3) One Piece
4) Detective Conan
5) The Seven Deadly Sins
6) Touken Ranbu
7) My Hero Academia
8) Fate Series
9) Slam Dunk
10) That Time I Got Reincarnated As a Slime
11) Attack on Titan
12) Kingdom
13) Haikyuu!!
14) Mobile Suit Gundam
15) Star Wars Series
16) Tokyo Ghoul
17) Kamen Rider Series
18) Oshiri Tantei
19) Boys Over Flowers
20) Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san
21) Golden Kamuy
22) Overlord
23) Sword Art Online
24) The Promised Neverland
25) IDOLiSH7
26) Wotakoi: Love is Hard For an Otaku
27) Ensemble Stars!
28) Black Clover
29) Gintama
30) The Greatest Showman

 

[jagman1x3]

Black Clover coming in a full ten places under Butt Detective seems fitting.

 

[101nemesis]

Black Clover coming in a full ten places under Butt Detective seems fitting.

Wait till BC fans ask you to ban your own comment.

 

[Tamil]

I expected MHA to be higher tbh, kinda disappointed

Touken Ranbu is doing well wow, better than Fate. Ufotable has 2 really big franchises on their hands, hopefully Kimetsu will follow suit.

 

[MangAniMY]

Yeah, as far as the manga itself, it's been pretty good for quite some time. Really turnaround after that beginning.

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Line Stickers of WSJ. Looks great.

interestingly the most diverse yet least diverse stickers pack, everyone just saying thanks

Spoiler: thanks

 

[shoyoboyo]

I expected MHA to be higher tbh, kinda disappointed

Would've been higher if the game and movie sales were accounted for.

 

[iceemperor]

Heroaca is up from last year's 3.25 billion yen despite having 1 volume less. Also, Taizai is quite inflated due to its movie theme song being done by Nogizaka46.

 

[Tanzo]

約束のネバーランド OP UVERWorid「Touch off」 ED CoｓｈｕＮｉｅ「絶体絶命」

TPN anime ED by Cö shu Nie "Zettai Zetsumei"

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