Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Jovan]

Funny how they mentioned the fact that the site Manga Rock on which it was possible to read pirated versions of WSJ series was brought down yet the two main sites that translates WSJ series in English before Mangaplus are still alive, or at least still translating WSJ series

MangaRock isn't brought down and they still post ripped chapters from Viz and Mangaplus for Jump and Jump+. For some odd reason, they only can't post Samurai 8 chapters because of the I quote "licensing issues" lol

 

[Arjuna]

Can you spoonfeed me what this means in terms of KnY vs OP?

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 16, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 16, 2019 ---

Especially when you consider the low number of volumes Hunter has out.

Yeah definitely,that is a huge credit too.

 

[Caiops]

So, now Kimetsu is a bigger seller than BnHA and Neverland?

Boooy.

 

[101nemesis]

**7666 *463955 Haikyuu #39

Just realized how low Haikyuu's sales have become. The drop this year has been really big and noticeable.
Better hope that the anime helps it stabilize a bit more.

 

[Ryuusei]

Vol. 94 wasn't trailing behind Vol. 92 during its first week. You have to take into account that it had 4 days less on the market. Now this week is lower than it should have been, but we don't really know how much impact the weekends super typhoon had.

Then we can look at volume 88 which was the last OP volume with a 3 day first week.

| Week 1 (F) | Week 2 | Week 3 | Week 4 | Week 5┃OriconLTD(DIP)┃Pub. Date | Title
| 1301484(3) | 1819919 | 1987851 | 2080350 | 2137419┃2,476,305(262)┃2018/03/02 | One Piece 88
| 1182323(3) | --------- | ---------- | --------- | ----------┃1,182,323(**3)┃2019/10/04 | One Piece 94

When you add the second week, it's still behind. Fair to say, volume 88 was released more than a year and half ago, but it's the closest data we got.

So, now Kimetsu is a bigger seller than BnHA and Neverland?

Boooy.

In terms of weekly and monthly sales, as of now, yeah. It'll be interesting to see KNY and MHA will do in December with both series releasing a volume that month.

 

[Konja9]

Altogether, adding the two volumes I would say that it exceeds 30k ...

Why would you count two volumes of Samurai 8 as one?

Only because both were released the same month. That seems too convenient.

I mean, in that case, you should consider Vol 1 and Vol 2 as one of all mangas.

 

[Tamil]

Stampede did break records, but it has showed no effects on manga sales, given that this is the first volume after the film's release. I don't agree with the statement that OP's future isn't looking bright, but even before the typhoon happened, volume 94 was already trailing behind other volumes, especially volume 92, which struggled for a while to reach 2 million so volume 94 might follow a similar path. But then again, it's wait and see.

Point is that even if its manga sales are declining (which it has been for a long time) it doesnt mean that the future doesnt look bright.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Must be really a slow week because all this gloom and doom talk like "One Piece future's not looking bright", "Black Clover is underperforming", "Haikyuu better hope the anime stabilize sales" and "Samurai 8 blah blah blah" as if at least the three first has any slightly chance of being in danger on SJ is quite funny

Btw, Yaiba selling over 500k in 10 days is insane man, is totally outselling Neverland and BNHA lol

 

[101nemesis]

Must be really a slow week because all this gloom and doom talk like "One Piece future's not looking bright", "Black Clover is underperforming", "Haikyuu better hope the anime stabilize sales" and "Samurai 8 blah blah blah" as if at least the three first has any slightly chance of being in danger on SJ is quite funny

OP talk is funny. Because it'll take AT LEAST 10 years even if it consistently declines to reach the sales that KNY posts right now.

But you must not be following WSJ properly if you think BC is safe despite slowly declining in sales when it's peak isn't even that high. It's "safe" for now but steadier declines will lead to cancellation.

HQ's sales are half of its peak. HQ has a lot more going for it but doesn't mean WSJ won't rush the series to end if the anime's return does not even stabilize the declining sales.

 

[Ctkk]

The last TPN did 545K four weeks(and was above HeroAca). Kimetsu is already almost there in only 10 days, with the typhoon and everything. So yeah, pretty insane how hard it's owning them.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

OP talk is funny. Because it'll take AT LEAST 10 years even if it consistently declines to reach the sales that KNY posts right now.

But you must not be following WSJ properly if you think BC is safe despite slowly declining in sales when it's peak isn't even that high. It's "safe" for now but steadier declines will lead to cancellation.

HQ's sales are half of its peak. HQ has a lot more going for it but doesn't mean WSJ won't rush the series to end if the anime's return does not even stabilize the declining sales.

I am, are you following the current Shonen Jump properly? because i think and this isn't just now, that you're a bit stucked in the past when it comes to Shonen Jump, you're still with that mentality of the over ruthless Shonen Jump that would just throw everything in the trash because it's not selling "like it was in the prime".

Black Clover has zero danger for now and for a good while, it doesn't matter if BC is very slowly declining in sales or if the peak it's not that high, the series is a money maker for Shonen Jump, doing great in the rankings, good sales, a long running anime with no signs of stopping and giving good money, a worlwide success, why it would be in danger?

Hell will freeze over before SJ cancel Haikyuu, this series is a money machine and has a big status on Japan, isn't like Bleach that turned into a punch bag in the last arcs, despite the drop in sales the manga's reputation is intact and i can't even imagine the backlash SJ would suffer doing anything against Haikyuu just because its not selling like before anymore.

 

[Franz]

Why would you count two volumes of Samurai 8 as one?

Only because both were released the same month. That seems too convenient.

Why shouldn't they be considered together, sorry?
They went out together, if only one came out we would be talking about one volume.

 

[Kakarots]

Why shouldn't they be considered together, sorry?
They went out together, if only one came out we would be talking about one volume.

You don't consider them together because they're two different volumes.

 

[Konja9]

Why shouldn't they be considered together, sorry?
They went out together, if only one came out we would be talking about one volume.

You are considering them together, because you want to imply Samurai 8 sells more than 30K.

It is extremely likely that most people who bought Vol 2 also bought Vol 1. They won't likely buy two copies of Vol 1.

So, if only Vol 1 of Samurai 8 would be released, it wouldn't sell more than 30K. That's why you can't consider Vol 1 and Vol 2 together.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Did anyone realised that Kimetsu no Yaiba is now the 2nd best selling manga being published on Shonen Jump? (Not counting Hiatus x Hiatus)

I'm really curious to see the next group covers xD

 

[101nemesis]

I am, are you following the current Shonen Jump properly? because i think and this isn't just now, that you're a bit stucked in the past when it comes to Shonen Jump, you're still with that mentality of the over ruthless Shonen Jump that would just throw everything in the trash because it's not selling "like it was in the prime".

Literally cancelled RxL from a veteran mangaka despite selling better than most debut manga. Cancelled Toriko two years ago which was a much more well regarded series than BC and posted sales similar to BC's numbers right now before being cancelled. Your argument has no validity.

Hell will freeze over before SJ cancel Haikyuu, this series is a money machine and has a big status on Japan, isn't like Bleach that turned into a punch bag in the last arcs, despite the drop in sales the manga's reputation is intact and i can't even imagine the backlash SJ would suffer doing anything against Haikyuu just because its not selling like before anymore.

What a weird argument. I said the anime needs to stabilise its sales otherwise it just shows people aren't supporting it enough to put money into it anymore. The anime has been a money machine for the franchise. It'll be interesting to see how it fares, tho. We've not really had a Big series get its anime back after 3 years despite declining sales. It'll be interesting to watch the effects on its manga sales and if its anime remains a big money machine for everyone involved.

 

[pamuchi]

Did anyone realised that Kimetsu no Yaiba is now the 2nd best selling manga being published on Shonen Jump? (Not counting Hiatus x Hiatus)

I'm really curious to see the next group covers xD

Tanjirou deserves a bigger spot now that its manga is the second best selling manga in the year

 

[Ryuusei]

Did anyone realised that Kimetsu no Yaiba is now the 2nd best selling manga being published on Shonen Jump? (Not counting Hiatus x Hiatus)

I'm really curious to see the next group covers xD

They'll probably put the 5 best selling mangas (or 6 like they did with OP commemorative cover) up front, though Tanjirou might take a bigger spot.

 

[Jovan]

Literally cancelled RxL from a veteran mangaka despite selling better than most debut manga. Cancelled Toriko two years ago which was a much more well regarded series than BC and posted sales similar to BC's numbers right now before being cancelled. Your argument has no validity.



What a weird argument. I said the anime needs to stabilise its sales otherwise it just shows people aren't supporting it enough to put money into it anymore. The anime has been a money machine for the franchise. It'll be interesting to see how it fares, tho. We've not really had a Big series get its anime back after 3 years despite declining sales. It'll be interesting to watch the effects on its manga sales and if its anime remains a big money machine for everyone involved.

RxL was very unlucky here. Momiji no Kisetsu/Kimi wo Shinrayku (both being gigantic bombs soon enough) weren't ranked by then, Act-Age, Noah and Jujutsu showed some life (this is before Noah crumbled), Yuuna and Hinomaru were getting animes... It would have comfortably survived had Shueisha waited a bit longer with how poorly the batches after that went, but oh well. Ziga had to be cancelled as a dead on arrival case and Shueisha rarely does a 1 axe round. RxL having falling sales+ poor reception at the moment made an easy 2nd choice...just a wrong timing.

 

[ShenGao]

RxL was very unlucky here. Momiji no Kisetsu/Kimi wo Shinrayku (both being gigantic bombs soon enough) weren't ranked by then, Act-Age, Noah and Jujutsu showed some life (this is before Noah crumbled), Yuuna and Hinomaru were getting animes... It would have comfortably survived had Shueisha waited a bit longer with how poorly the batches after that went, but oh well. Ziga had to be cancelled as a dead on arrival case and Shueisha rarely does a 1 axe round. RxL having falling sales+ poor reception at the moment made an easy 2nd choice...just a wrong timing.

It probably didn't help that RxL had a huge timeskip after the first big arc and all the characters, who just got introduced, were swapped for a batch of new characters.
That's why I think HQ!! will decline even further after what happened in the last chapter.