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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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[mod=Halloween]Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.[/mod]
 
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As long as early leaks happen, the official account will have to suffer through idiots commenting about them to the official account before the chapter is formally even out in Japan. And so on.
This reminded me of Ishida, the mangaka of TG. As soon as the spoilers from that sex chapter dropped, there where so many ppl who attacked him and while the chapter wasn't even out. I think this also happened to Kubo, right? Where angry shippers also tagged him in photos where they burnt his manga and that sort of things.

It's double edge making an account, even if it's for the series only. It's up the mangaka if they want to do it and keep in touch with its followers.
 

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This reminded me of Ishida, the mangaka of TG. As soon as the spoilers from that sex chapter dropped, there where so many ppl who attacked him and while the chapter wasn't even out. I think this also happened to Kubo, right? Where angry shippers also tagged him in photos where they burnt his manga and that sort of things.

It's double edge making an account, even if it's for the series only. It's up the mangaka if they want to do it and keep in touch with its followers.
I mean, early scans are dead now, sooooo...
 

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I think that both sides in this discussion about Oda are committing mistakes. So, I will criticize the comments that bothered me the most.



The fact that you think it is fine that Oda supports a pedophile (that owns child pornography) because he was his mentor isn't just a contrarian thing.




I don't think you know what is a pedophile apologist. I guess you just use that word because you want to insult people in this forum.
I'll preface with this: Watsuki is definitely disgusting and should have gotten a bigger punishment than he did at the time.

However, you do not know the dynamics of his relationship with Oda (whom he's still been an important figure for, like it or not). I don't think we have the inside info to judge anyone other than Watsuki on this matter. The interview is not exactly some sort of career-saving advertisement, though, it's at a Rurouni Kenshin exhibition. It's not likely tht anyone who's not already a fan of the manga will be there in the first place.
 

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I'm just going to say that we tend to talk only about Watsuki regarding that stuff, but Shimabukuro tends to get forgotten and ignored in these talks. Yeah, maybe he didn't know that prostitute was underaged, but he also did what he did (and as consequence, Takeshi was axed despite being almost as succesful as One Piece). Yet I don't see any of you saying "I'm not going to read Toriko because the author is Shimabukuro who hired an underage prostitute". Also, reminder Oda is best friends with Shimabukuro too (he was the only one who congratulated him when he ended Toriko, wasn't he?). I also recall Shimabukuro, like Watsuki, was in that Inagaki party from last year.

Same stuff for Shueisha, remember the Toriko milking in 2010. Also, remember how Kenshin has characters in Jump Force and Hokkaido is doing well in sales in Japan. I think Shueisha doesn't care about what Watsuki and Shimabukuro did because "it prints money", which is sad.
 

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I mean, early scans are dead now, sooooo...
They arent and they will always exist unless Shueshia finds a way to stop the leaks we get each week.

Yet I don't see any of you saying "I'm not going to read Toriko because the author is Shimabukuro who hired an underage prostitute". Also, reminder Oda is best friends with Shimabukuro too (he was the only one who congratulated him when he ended Toriko, wasn't he?). I also recall Shimabukuro, like Watsuki, was in that Inagaki party from last year.
Please Mankichi, stop being stubborn because a lot of users here also comment on the Shimabukuro incident too when this controversies came up each month.
Shima lost a series because of that, never recieved an anime and he wasnt on the public eye for a long time because of this. Watsuki didnt recieve jack shit as punishment because of what he did.
 
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This reminded me of Ishida, the mangaka of TG. As soon as the spoilers from that sex chapter dropped, there where so many ppl who attacked him and while the chapter wasn't even out. I think this also happened to Kubo, right? Where angry shippers also tagged him in photos where they burnt his manga and that sort of things.

It's double edge making an account, even if it's for the series only. It's up the mangaka if they want to do it and keep in touch with its followers.
There's something I like to call professionalism and can be perfectly seen in how mangaka like Kei Sasuga or just recently Taishi Tsutsui handle angry readers because of series developments: they don't fucking care. It's as easy as that. They're creating a product in which they know they can make decisions with different consequences whenever their readers encounter them. And if you make one of those decisions, you need to be clearly aware of what can it bring. The thing about early scans is just useless to include since that's a way different topic caused by distributors and the whole schedule of the business. But that's where actual mangaka's maturity level comes in: they need to behave like adults, because they're treating with kids. I'm not justifying those raging kids in the least, but please, how many of them are western kids that read every series in kissmanga and haven't even bought a single volume. Of course, this is just generalization, but there's a point that I'm trying to explain: thinking that you or your product can be publicly exposed in order to achieve some sales or popularity results and at the same time not getting a single complaint or stupid comment it's UTOPIAN.

If you as a person are sensible enough not to want to see those comments directly yourself, then sure, but first of all, that will still be impossible because series discussion will keep existing and you'll just be playing the if I don't see it, it doesn't exist game; and secondly, you're throwing away your chances of getting popular enough in social media by whatever you achieve because of fear. And as sad as it can get, this is a business, and there's competition. It's way better to face stuff bravely and use your experience to improve.
 

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I'm just going to say that we tend to talk only about Watsuki regarding that stuff, but Shimabukuro tends to get forgotten and ignored in these talks. Yeah, maybe he didn't know that prostitute was underaged, but he also did what he did (and as consequence, Takeshi was axed despite being almost as succesful as One Piece). Yet I don't see any of you saying "I'm not going to read Toriko because the author is Shimabukuro who hired an underage prostitute". Also, reminder Oda is best friends with Shimabukuro too (he was the only one who congratulated him when he ended Toriko, wasn't he?). I also recall Shimabukuro, like Watsuki, was in that Inagaki party from last year.

Same stuff for Shueisha, remember the Toriko milking in 2010. Also, remember how Kenshin has characters in Jump Force and Hokkaido is doing well in sales in Japan. I think Shueisha doesn't care about what Watsuki and Shimabukuro did because "it prints money", which is sad.
I think it’s easier to deal with Shimabukuro than Watsuki because the ages of those involved were higher, but ultimately you’re right. His punishment was larger and his suspension longer, but he was back with Ring only a short while after, and back with Toriko a few years after that.
Viz aren’t much better than Shueisha here, either. They still keep Watsuki’s work out there (save his latest series and unlicensed stuff), keep Toriko out there, AND continue to use Dragon Ball and Pokemon adaptation work by Gerard Jones. Manga’s a depressing world sometimes
 

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I'm just going to say that we tend to talk only about Watsuki regarding that stuff, but Shimabukuro tends to get forgotten and ignored in these talks. Yeah, maybe he didn't know that prostitute was underaged, but he also did what he did (and as consequence, Takeshi was axed despite being almost as succesful as One Piece). Yet I don't see any of you saying "I'm not going to read Toriko because the author is Shimabukuro who hired an underage prostitute". Also, reminder Oda is best friends with Shimabukuro too (he was the only one who congratulated him when he ended Toriko, wasn't he?). I also recall Shimabukuro, like Watsuki, was in that Inagaki party from last year.

Same stuff for Shueisha, remember the Toriko milking in 2010. Also, remember how Kenshin has characters in Jump Force and Hokkaido is doing well in sales in Japan. I think Shueisha doesn't care about what Watsuki and Shimabukuro did because "it prints money", which is sad.
I've argued very heavily against him as well. But people over here stated and provided articles (I think) that stated he wasn't aware it was an underaged girl.
If that truly was the case, as I was made to believe, then he isnt at fault. The agency who sent the prostitute is at fault.
If tomorrow its revealed that he did in fact know the girl was underaged, then fuck him.

If tomorrow its revealed Kubo (my fav mangaka) enabled child pornography or prostitution in any manner, I'd say the same thing.
This shouldn't be a case about whataboutism.

Everything isnt clearly black and white or right and wrong in this world but this one clearly is. If the artist knowingly enabled child pornography or prostitution in any manner, then they deserve the most serious punishment possible.
 

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Changing theme, when do you guys expect for us to get any minimum info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime? All this situation is being pretty strange
 

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Changing theme, when do you guys expect for us to get any minimum info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime? All this situation is being pretty strange
Around the time the original announcement was probably going to come up in the first place, aka during AnimeJapan 2020.
 

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Changing theme, when do you guys expect for us to get any minimum info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime? All this situation is being pretty strange
They probably should have wait for the second anniversary to announce the anime so having more informations and etc.
 

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Changing theme, when do you guys expect for us to get any minimum info about Jujutsu Kaisen anime? All this situation is being pretty strange
This month... hopefully. I thought it’d be a surefire thang due to AnimeJapan, but we’ll... coronavirus. I feel like companies will just put out their anime info throughout the month. Lots of stuff’s been happening these past few days.
 

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Around the time the original announcement was probably going to come up in the first place, aka during AnimeJapan 2020.
I hope so. I also hope we get a normal PV this time.

It feels so strange that they are keeping MAPP...the anime studio like a very big secret.

They probably should have wait for the second anniversary to announce the anime so having more informations and etc.
Yeah. I have a personal theory:
-Issue 15 is Black Clover as we know (9th March)
-Issue 16 should be Haikyuu (16th March, anniversary cover too)

Jujutsu Kaisen should be getting Issue 17 (23th March) or Issue 18 (30th March) (I can't guess what would get the other issue. Neverland? New manga batch?)

If a new batch starts in Issue 17, maybe no Jujutsu cover until Issue 20

This month... hopefully. I thought it’d be a surefire thang due to AnimeJapan, but we’ll... coronavirus. I feel like companies will just put out their anime info throughout the month. Lots of stuff’s been happening these past few days.
In case of Jump, is going to affect very little, isn't it? I mean, Jujutsu, the Kubo stuff, and anything else?
 

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I hope so. I also hope we get a normal PV this time.

It feels so strange that they are keeping MAPP...the anime studio like a very big secret.



Yeah. I have a personal theory:
-Issue 15 is Black Clover as we know (9th March)
-Issue 16 should be Haikyuu (16th March, anniversary cover too)

Jujutsu Kaisen should be getting Issue 17 (23th March) or Issue 18 (30th March) (I can't guess what would get the other issue. Neverland? New manga batch?)

If a new batch starts in Issue 17, maybe no Jujutsu cover until Issue 20



In case of Jump, is going to affect very little, isn't it? I mean, Jujutsu, the Kubo stuff, and anything else?
Kimetsu had a panel. Likely new movie trailer and some fluff stuff.
 

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The movie has doubled the US numbers in comparison of the first movie and has also surpassed the Worldwide gross from the first one (TH: 21 million | HR:25 million as now)

Extra details:
The first movie had a wide release of 535 theaters (508 in opening week), meanwhile the second one had 1,275 (1,172 in opening week)
The domestic opening of the first one was around 1.3 Million, the second one had 5.8 Million.
The movie its only on its 7/8 day as now, TH only got to 5 Million within the same time frame, so it probably will end up around 12 Million at the end of its run in US.
This is big because the other market that did around same amount on the first movie as the US, China (TH: 5.7 Millions), wont probably count with it in this movie, or atleast not at the same magnitude as it should have.
I want to bump this to comment about how I'm surprised that Hero Academia movie destroyed One Piece movie in USA.
 

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There's something I like to call professionalism and can be perfectly seen in how mangaka like Kei Sasuga or just recently Taishi Tsutsui handle angry readers because of series developments: they don't fucking care. It's as easy as that. They're creating a product in which they know they can make decisions with different consequences whenever their readers encounter them. And if you make one of those decisions, you need to be clearly aware of what can it bring. The thing about early scans is just useless to include since that's a way different topic caused by distributors and the whole schedule of the business. But that's where actual mangaka's maturity level comes in: they need to behave like adults, because they're treating with kids. I'm not justifying those raging kids in the least, but please, how many of them are western kids that read every series in kissmanga and haven't even bought a single volume. Of course, this is just generalization, but there's a point that I'm trying to explain: thinking that you or your product can be publicly exposed in order to achieve some sales or popularity results and at the same time not getting a single complaint or stupid comment it's UTOPIAN.

If you as a person are sensible enough not to want to see those comments directly yourself, then sure, but first of all, that will still be impossible because series discussion will keep existing and you'll just be playing the if I don't see it, it doesn't exist game; and secondly, you're throwing away your chances of getting popular enough in social media by whatever you achieve because of fear. And as sad as it can get, this is a business, and there's competition. It's way better to face stuff bravely and use your experience to improve.
While I do agree with what you said, I think that's innate, those authors you mentioned who don't give a damn about trolls and angered fans, it's just something that they are good at it. But it's up to them if they want to do it or not or it's optional but who knows. =/.
 

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Have to say, their approach with Undead Unluck is very smart, they're easily connecting with readers having the author doing this little artworks talking about the short name for the series, asking for fans what extra stuff they want in the volume, ofc they're only doing this because the series showed signs of popularity but still something smart that they didn't make with other series, also they should make a twitter account for Yozakura, the author doesn't even have a twitter, they should have a way of promoting the series online like with Mitama
 

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Have to say, their approach with Undead Unluck is very smart, they're easily connecting with readers having the author doing this little artworks talking about the short name for the series, asking for fans what extra stuff they want in the volume, ofc they're only doing this because the series showed signs of popularity but still something smart that they didn't make with other series, also they should make a twitter account for Yozakura, the author doesn't even have a twitter, they should have a way of promoting the series online like with Mitama
I'm sure a lot of it is up to the individual author, some are more interested in interacting with fans than others. Some people want that constant feedback and seeing fan ideas and such, while others prefer to keep away from outside influence as much as they can.
 

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When is JK's anime supposed to air?

I want to bump this to comment about how I'm surprised that Hero Academia movie destroyed One Piece movie in USA.
OP's popularity was always wobbly in the US. MHA was definitely more popular.
I think MHA just works well for the North American market with the superhero theme.
 
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