Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

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Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Franz]

I'm not sure why this post would contradict anything I said

But there are simply fewer people around .... not to mention that now there is also the Kimetsu phenomenon that eats a good part of the numbers.

 

[Serinox]

But there are simply fewer people around

Sales decline for these series preceeds Corono and KnY boost.

Kimetsu phenomenon that eats a good part of the numbers

Kimetsu doesn't stop you from buying other series and for series as big as HQ & MHA, it also doesn't push your new releases out of the charts completely.

 

[animeexpert]

It was editor pushing and fan response that might have got BtW serialized since it got great reception and feedback all over Japan when the one shot got released. I’m pretty sure it was the most popular one shot to come out of that Jump 50th anniversary one shot releases.
Imagine Bleach surpassing Slam Dunk and Kochikame lifetime sales if demand increases with the release of the new anime which may introduce a new generation to the series.

Imagine the death note one-shot become an mini series ;(, it would freaking explode of greatness

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Hey who knows, maybe that DN one shot getting an adaptation will indeed be a thing

 

[tirakai]

Looks like Manga+ just picked up Kanou Yasuhiro's new manga, Kill Me, but only in Spanish.

I love his stuff so I hope we get an English version too. I didn't know he had started something new but I guess it was just a few weeks ago.

 

[perroloco]

Sales decline for these series preceeds Corono and KnY boost.



Kimetsu doesn't stop you from buying other series and for series as big as HQ & MHA, it also doesn't push your new releases out of the charts completely.

Yes, yes it does.

I mean sure, it´s probably not a HUGE drop because Kimetsu cannibalized other series' sales, but there´s only so much money that people have to spend on "hobbies", imagine for example there's this guy goes to Seven Eleven and only has a 1,000 yen bill, this guy buys some food, but he only has around 500 Yen left! sees the new Kimetsu and the new MHA volume.. He has to make a decision and decides to go for the new Kimetsu volume, "I will buy the new MHA volume other day.." And that day never comes..

That's probably happened sometimes, I mean I know it has happened to me, I intend to buy some series but I just kinda lose interest over time, it's impossible to buy every single series you want to for most people... Even if you did, I doubt you would have to time to actually read every series, unless you actually dedicate all your free time to it.

I mean if we put all the different factors that are maybe contributing to different sales together:
-Readers finding the series got boring or stale. (Which happens for most series after a couple of years, especially one-two years once they get their anime adaptation).
-Coronavirus (I'm pretty sure this must have lead to a decline in sales, no matter how low, even in Japan which supposedly is "fine").
-Kimetsu no Yaiba cannibalizing other manga sales.

If each factor takes 5% away from other series' sales that's a 15% decrease right there. If MHA used to sell I dunno 750,000 copies a 15% decrease is 110,000 less volumes sold.

What I think lots of people don't see is that Kimetsu hit the mainstream big time so IT IS cannibalizing other manga sales, if a "normie" that used to buy say I dunno say 10 volumes of manga a month (Like a 5,000 Yen budget) and I don't think "normies" would buy that many volumes anyway but let's just use this hypothetical example, they'd probably buy the new Kimetsu over other manga they follow and maybe never buy that series again.

 

[101nemesis]

Yes, yes it does.

I mean sure, it´s probably not a HUGE drop because Kimetsu cannibalized other series' sales, but there´s only so much money that people have to spend on "hobbies", imagine for example there's this guy goes to Seven Eleven and only has a 1,000 yen bill, this guy buys some food, but he only has around 500 Yen left! sees the new Kimetsu and the new MHA volume.. He has to make a decision and decides to go for the new Kimetsu volume, "I will buy the new MHA volume other day.." And that day never comes..

That's probably happened sometimes, I mean I know it has happened to me, I intend to buy some series but I just kinda lose interest over time, it's impossible to buy every single series you want to for most people... Even if you did, I doubt you would have to time to actually read every series, unless you actually dedicate all your free time to it.

I mean if we put all the different factors that are maybe contributing to different sales together:
-Readers finding the series got boring or stale. (Which happens for most series after a couple of years, especially one-two years once they get their anime adaptation).
-Coronavirus (I'm pretty sure this must have lead to a decline in sales, no matter how low, even in Japan which supposedly is "fine").
-Kimetsu no Yaiba cannibalizing other manga sales.

If each factor takes 5% away from other series' sales that's a 15% decrease right there. If MHA used to sell I dunno 750,000 copies a 15% decrease is 110,000 less volumes sold.

What I think lots of people don't see is that Kimetsu hit the mainstream big time so IT IS cannibalizing other manga sales, if a "normie" that used to buy say I dunno say 10 volumes of manga a month (Like a 5,000 Yen budget) and I don't think "normies" would buy that many volumes anyway but let's just use this hypothetical example, they'd probably buy the new Kimetsu over other manga they follow and maybe never buy that series again.

Every series has a number of readers who are casual fans which is why after a peak the sales always decline for every series. It's why manga volumes usually bundled with something more tend to do better than regular volume releases which are just solo.

One manga doing well doesn't imply it'll affect another's sales. This isn't like movie releases where a movie releases for a limited time and after that it's no longer available in the theaters.
That's like saying S8 would've done a lot better had KNY not have such a big boost because its cannibalizing the market and no one wants to read S8 because of it.
AOT didn't cannibalize the market, Death Note didn't cannibalize the market, OP's growth in 2011 didn't cannibalize the market and neither has KNY.

MHA, TPN, HQ, OP are all declining and they all have been declining over months / years now. This isn't something new.

JK, CSM are clearly not affected and are in fact still reaching new peaks.
So does the cannibalizing effect only happen for a select few series whose decline needs a more convenient reason?

 

[Koni]

Every series has a number of readers who are casual fans which is why after a peak the sales always decline for every series. It's why manga volumes usually bundled with something more tend to do better than regular volume releases which are just solo.

One manga doing well doesn't imply it'll affect another's sales. This isn't like movie releases where a movie releases for a limited time and after that it's no longer available in the theaters.
That's like saying S8 would've done a lot better had KNY not have such a big boost because its cannibalizing the market and no one wants to read S8 because of it.
AOT didn't cannibalize the market, Death Note didn't cannibalize the market, OP's growth in 2011 didn't cannibalize the market and neither has KNY.

MHA, TPN, HQ, OP are all declining and they all have been declining over months / years now. This isn't something new.

JK, CSM are clearly not affected and are in fact still reaching new peaks.
So does the cannibalizing effect only happen for a select few series whose decline needs a more convenient reason?

To add on to this, SPY x FAMILY is also still increasing at a really high rate for how many volumes it has. It could probably sell as much as HQ, MHA, and TPN in a month now. We tend to forget about it, like most recent increases saleswise, because KNY, but yeah. And there's tons of other manga experiencing boosts as well.

 

[Halloween]

If KnY really was cannibalizing other series' sales, wouldn't we be seeing that happening across the board?

 

[101nemesis]

To add on to this, SPY x FAMILY is also still increasing at a really high rate for how many volumes it has. It could probably sell as much as HQ, MHA, and TPN in a month now. We tend to forget about it, like most recent increases saleswise, because KNY, but yeah. And there's tons of other manga experiencing boosts as well.

To add to this even more, if cannibalizing was a thing then SxF was the unluckiest manga of all time since it's volumes released during all significant boosts of KNY. However it still retains the best debut volume numbers for a new series since AC

If KnY really was cannibalizing other series' sales, wouldn't we be seeing that happening across the board?

Exactly. Its why I gave other examples.
Death Note blew up in one of the most crowded eras ever with OP, HxH, Prince of Tennis, Eyeshield 21, Naruto, Bleach, Gintama, Reborn etc. But all did remarkably well in their own ways.

It's a very lazy argument

 

[TxxT]

It's a very lazy argument

Not to mention that older series in general have been declining for years and will continue to do so, it's only natural. I don't know why alot of people ignore that Jump isn't the only magazine out there that is experiencing a decline with it's older series

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MH POLLS FOR ISSUE #16​

Yo guys, in the next hour both polls will be closed, if some of you didn't voted yet or forgot to do, vote HERE and HERE

Edit: We're in low number this week in the regular poll.

 

[Tamil]

I'm 10000% confident that they will release a new pv and the trailer of the two games

Lol we'll prob see even more backlog from the PV alone. Its gonna trend 10000% sure. Hyped for both.

 

[Rain Spectre]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

No because i also read a lot of "cannibalizing" sales about OP in these years too.

 

[Tamil]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

No it's not, he didn't even bring up OP. You just have some weird obsession of turning everything about KnY into a VS debate between OP. How insecure can you possibly be as a reader is astonishing...

 

[Ebrietas-]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

This take makes no sense at all. On the contrary since the same cannibalizing sales argument is used against OP all the time(there was even an argument about it in the 2019 thread) this would just legitimize KnY as its true rival even more

 

[Nemesis]

Looks like Manga+ just picked up Kanou Yasuhiro's new manga, Kill Me, but only in Spanish.

I love his stuff so I hope we get an English version too. I didn't know he had started something new but I guess it was just a few weeks ago.

I'm glad I can speak spanish as well. XD But I really preferred if it was english as I prefer to read it much more.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 22, 2020 ---

Btw, how do you guys expect that the bleach anime will adapt 20 volumes?

 

[Halloween]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

How does that make it unworthy? If anything, that would make it more worthy, as it's a sign of extreme popularity.

 

[pamuchi]

I have to wondering if this argument of KNY "cannibalizing" sales is just another attempt to frame the series as "unworthy" of beating One Piece, as if unworthiness is something which exists in the manga world.

It would be a wonder if you manage to write OP in another sentence that's not about sales war with Kny xD