Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[savethecat]

In a weird way I appreciate all the discourse over the past week surrounding Phantom Seer, as it has helped me brace myself for this all-too-soon ending. It really did feel like it was coming into it's own this arc, and now it's gone. It's Jump, this type of thing happens, and the rankings have been writing on the wall for a while now so I can't act surprised, yet it's one of those series that comes around every now and then that hurts to part with. I wish the best of luck to wherever the duo goes, together or not, as I do feel they have what it takes, I suppose WSJ just isn't the place for them. I'll probably have more thoughts on Sunday once we see the chapter

As for the next series to go, it's a toss up between Build King and Dolphin. Dolphin has had a foot in the grave for months now, and seems decently close to the end. However based on the pacing, it could still go a bit further. On the other hand, Build King is still young, but it's breakneck pacing and awful rankings give the feeling it's done for, even with a veteran author. Regardless of which goes, I would bet that there's another batch not that far out, probably in May/June after the double issue, where whoever doesn't go, Magu, HSF, and maybe a flop from the recent batch will kick it

I wouldn’t necessarily write them off as leaving Jump.
iirc this is their first series in Jump as a duo. I know the artist worked on Tokyo Shinobi Squad. But I believe we established that the 3 strikes rule doesn’t seem to people who are only artist.

Anyway, given that they clearly had some buzz with their series, More than a typical newbie mangaka/duo, I can’t imagine they won’t be back at Jump with another serialization. Even if not WSJ, likely another Shueisha magazine, or Jump+

 

[Rukasu]

Lol we already have the toc and mha is not in it, next chapter obviously won't be released april 4th and viz' probably waiting for an official announcement

 

[savethecat]

Huh? Idk what to believe. Granted, I know Yonkou isn’t always 100% accurate. But I would imagine that he would have pointed out by now that MHA DOES show up in the TOC

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Talking about Blue Box, man, it feels weird that is indeed about to start next week, it's something that was "meant" to happen but now i'm a bit nervous about the final product, really hope the author got a competent editor because there's some good potential to become a actual hit. Also really curious about this second new series, betting in a known name returning for a 2nd or 3rd tentative.

 

[suzume029]

The days when we had an active mod in the thread. Already miss it.

Gone but never forgotten. Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened. We were a small but dedicated fanbase and I’m happy about the product our two authors worked hard to bring to us every week.

I could write essays upon essays on my feelings about the announcement and situation, but I would prefer to just write about my enjoyment the series brought to me for the latter half of a very pandemic-filled year. I will miss the potential narrative that was being built, but I’m happy that our authors have realized they have a prominent fanbase behind them in JP and overseas that will support their future works. Rest assured, this isn’t the end. They’ll be back with fresh ideas and with hopefully another intriguing cast of characters.

I will once again buy the third volume for support and hopefully the last chapter can wrap up a good ending for our cast. Thank you Shueisha for at least giving it a 23 page conclusion since that’s a privilege not many short series get in this magazine. Thank you!

You took the words right out of my mouth. Gotou-sensei is one of those writers I think really shines when they have the time to polish the story, both the PS and vampire oneshots as well as early PS serialization itself have really tight pacing balancing characterization, humor, and story developments in ways that I really like. And Matsuura-sensei's art is always a joy to see. Personally I'd like to see them back in J+, Shueisha would be crazy if they let newbies doing this kind of numbers go early, lol.

As for the new serializations, the Blue Box one shot didn't do a whole lot for me but I'm keeping my mind open since it would have more time to build its characters now. As for the second series, I'm guessing it's gonna be another comedy if only based on recent vomic trends. Might be a veteran author.

 

[Jovan]

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[Ike79]

As a general rule of thumb, series get axed in order of seniority (outside of established hits). So if there's a second axe this round, it's likely Build King rather than Niraikanai.

On other news, Elusive Samurai is the fastest new series to place 1st in the To C since.... what? Hinomaru Zumou? MHA being absent probably helped, but still. Good signs for Matsui's third hit.

 

[galaxy-juice]

As a general rule of thumb, series get axed in order of seniority (outside of established hits). So if there's a second axe this round, it's likely Build King rather than Niraikanai.

On other news, Elusive Samurai is the fastest new series to place 1st in the To C since.... what? Hinomaru Zumou? MHA being absent probably helped, but still. Good signs for Matsui's third hit.

Did Hinomaru Zumou really start off that well? That's really surprising, considering how it spent most of its run.

And I agree about Matsui. I couldn't be happier for him.

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The fact that Magu is there but not Ruri is hilarious to me.

 

[Jovan]

Did Hinomaru Zumou really start off that well? That's really surprising, considering how it spent most of its run.

And I agree about Matsui. I couldn't be happier for him.

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The fact that Magu is there but not Ruri is hilarious to me.

Hinomaru was a pretty big TOC performer early on.
During the first year of serialization (2014) its ranks were: #1, #4, #2, #7, CP, #4, #2, CP, CP, #6, #5, #5, #2, #1, Cover and LCP, #6, #4, CP, #7

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

On other news, Elusive Samurai is the fastest new series to place 1st in the To C since.... what? Hinomaru Zumou? MHA being absent probably helped, but still. Good signs for Matsui's third hit.

No, ironically Assassination Classroom got first at chapter 11 too, also MHA at ch11

 

[Mammo]

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• PluemBNK48
• Mar 31, 2021

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Matsui chads always win
Kowloon first rank is worrying, hopefully it can improve or at least stay there

bring that wolf hunting one shot

Red Hood? it won the GFC, its author gotta return at some point

I tell C bottom five
Good~

I Tell C? more like I Take Ls

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I can't believe Samejima shot Chako
RIP

 

[Neala897]

So Mha became schrodinger cat this week. I sure hope Younko didnt decide make 1 april joke one day earlier.

 

[Rain Spectre]

The fact that Magu is there but not Ruri is hilarious to me.

Weirder still since Taiyo/Mutsumi and Andy/Fuuko are together.

 

[KiMiTo]

Oh, man. Come on, that first ranking of Kowloon's Ball Parade is not good. Let's hope it'll only improve from now on.
So with the absence of JJK, MHA and OP on the cover, TES gets the #1? Seems like in Japan they love the serie.
Pity for PS, it deserved better. The next ones are BK, I tell C and Hard-Boiled C&D.

My thoughts for Jump #17:

Great:
Sakamoto Days - Great chapter! This new character is nuts!
Kowloon's Ball Parade - Let's goo! Another great chapter with a new crucial member of the team on the horizon.

Good:
Jujutsu Kaisen - Good building chapter before the break.
My Hero Academia - Oh, we are getting a rematch. I expect it to be a short one to show Deku progress.
One Piece - So we have a couple of reveleations in this week chapter, not bad. But, man, poor scabbards...

Fine:
Build King - nice action and finally we learn about Tonkachi vigor.
Witch Watch - so we got a new boy in town.

Average:
The Elusive Samurai - dope art, nice tricks and thats it.

Meh:
I tell C

 

[SiMidori]

Good Bye Phantom Seer,
Hello Blue Box ! (obviously will warm my heart after that axe)

And I don't read the elusive samurai, it's that good ?

 

[Ike79]

No, ironically Assassination Classroom got first at chapter 11 too, also MHA at ch11

Okay, let's do this. First #1 position in ToC (outside of LCP). I'm using Jajanken:
- Sumou: chapter 8
- MHA: ch 11
- Black Clover: ch 15
- Straighten-up!: never
- Samon: never
- Yuuna: ch 23 (I dind't expect this one)
- Yaiba: ch 67 (LOL, Yuuna got it faster)
- Neverland: ch 33
- Spring Weapon: never
- We Never Learn: ch 40
- Dr Stone: ch 23
- RxL: ch 23
- Act-Age: never
- Jujutsu: ch 26
- Chainsawman: ch 88
- Yozakura: not yet
- Agravity: never
- Undead: not yet
- Mashle: not yet
- Ayakashi: not yet
- Elusive: ch 11

So it's the fastest #1 in the ToC since Hero Aca (they are tied). And as you mentioned, AssClass was also first in chapter 11.
It's also the first series to get a #1 position within its first 30 chapters since Jujutsu.

It should be noted that Samurai 8 was first in chapter 6, but I think we can all agree that that was editorial push and disregard it.

 

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[ItsSamu]

Lots of revelations with this TOC.

• Phantom Seer ending goes to show two things: when it looks like they are indicating an end to a series, it's probably true. And the sales vs TOC rankings debate pretty much proves true that even if you're a series that's selling better than others, if you are ranking consistently in the bottom then you will be the one to get cancelled first (unless you are a veteran series nearing its natural end). From that view its not surprising, Phantom Seer would have one of the most miraculous turnarounds of all time if it managed to become a success after being in the bottom almost the entire time. It's a shame it's ending because it had potential and deserved more but at the same time I could feel my own interest in it waning as time went by so I'm not against something fresh in the magazine instead.
• Speaking of fresh, Blue Box! We all knew it was coming. Can't wait to see what this offers as a serialisation, whether it'll focus on the one couple and at what stage in their relationship, or if it will cover multiple characters across the school. This will be one to watch for sure.
• If there is one more new series with it my bet right now is on Asou Shuuichi returning with a new gag manga.
• The Elusive Samurai at the top spot! Matsui's third hit? It's definitely not going anywhere.
• Rest of that batch is scattered: WITCH WATCH is performing very well, I tell c is finding its home in the bottom it seems, and Nine Dragons starts at 9th. I wasn't expecting much from the latter to be honest so I'm not disappointed, but fingers crossed for its future...
• I think we can all expect either Hard-Boiled Cop and Dolphin or Build King will get the chop next. Or both. Bring on the next serialisation round!

 

[Franz]

So does Hero come out or not, essentially?

 

[James Rye]

It should be noted that Samurai 8 was first in chapter 6, but I think we can all agree that that was editorial push and disregard it.

Yeah, the part with "first place" is that we cannot be sure whenever it really was due the readers votes or due editor decision. Like I remember Harima (I think that was his name) who was the Editor of World Trigger saying in an interview that WT got several times first place in the votes but was never put in there because they wanted to promote other stuff. Which considering how consistent and loyal the fanbase was after that two year hiatus I could easily believe.