Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2021] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[SharkBait]

Oricon March Top 20 Sales by Series Chart:

01. Jujutsu Kaisen (6.325.154)
02. Kimetsu no Yaiba (2.195.698)
03. Chainsaw Man (1.068.379)
04. Kaiju No. 8 (740.861)
07. My Hero Academia (596.418)
10. The Promised Neverland (452.989)
12. Haikyu!! (425.934)
14. World Trigger (395.057)
15. Dr. Stone (388.828)
16. Jujutsu Kaisen Vol. 0 (385.812)

as much as people dinged The promised neverland s2, it has done a good job keeping the manga selling.

 

[Ctkk]

Yes, because it's so bad people have no choice but to read the manga instead.


Disclaimer: I haven't actually watched or read this series in any format.

 

[tirakai]

I'm really curious to see how a sweet-themed battle series is going to be like, it's a hard setting to imagine a full series about it.

Though it does seem to be the "crazy action girl" type which never do well in Jump so I don't have particularly high hopes.

 

[SharkBait]

A part of the preview for the next issue

hm cautiously optimistic, I assume it will pull a psyren and she'll be tied to some boy that gets involved

 

[Stivie]

Blue Box will not be sacrificed to save Ame no furu.

 

[SharkBait]

Think they should have gone with kids (TPN age) with the concept with Ame no Furu, would have been really cute and goofy to have kids trying to save Tokyo from Gummi Bears and Peeps with Licorice Sticks and Lollipops. And there'd be tons of comedy.

 

[Mammo]

So Amenofuru is not based on any oneshot?

we don't even know who Ippon Takegushi is
probably someone using a new pen name

 

[savethecat]

Inb4 it’s Kishimoto returning with a pen name

 

[tirakai]

The art style of that preview reminds me a little of Matsui art, I wonder if it might be an assistant of his.

 

[Mammo]

Inb4 it’s Kishimoto returning with a pen name

inb4 it's Shimabukuro with Toriko successor, he ended BK to work on this

on a serious note, it's probably gonna be something boring like Takaya/Koisome Momiji author or Noah Note/2.5D Seduction author

or even more boring than that, might even be a newb changing names too like Mashle and Magu-chan authors

 

[animeexpert]

Late to answering this but sure I guess? He could go for another chance. I don't see his career being over despite how awful BK was & btw Nakano made the right move on not pushing the series (ignoring that popularity comment lol). Maybe one of the reasons Nakano decided not to push BK was because of Shimabu's comment of finding BK very challenging to create, which already sounded like a major red flag. Anyway, either Shimabu comes back to WSJ or goes to Grand Jump. He did Ring & finished off Takeshi in Super Jump and did a few one shots in Grand Jump so it wouldn't surprise me if he goes to Grand Jump.

As for changing/improving, I think he shouldn't shy away from attempting character writing and shorter serialization. His character writing can be pretty decent and underappreciated in some ways imo. I'd like to see him change how he does his coloring for the characters attire as he struggled for ages in that aspect. Perhaps Shimabu teaming up with an artist isn't a bad idea and looks more likely than Shimabu changing his ways tbh. I'm confident that someone like Matsuura or Hirano would team up with him in a heartbeat if they were given the opportunity but the real question is will Shimabu do it? That may require convincing from the editors or better yet Nakano himself.

Well this goes not only for manga but in art in general. Time has changed and you should flow with the mold to receive recognizable respect for the new work you put in. You can great your own thing in every way you want but this is just one example. If I make an kenshiro look alike manga now in WSJ, it won't survive. Point blank

But then again, it all comes down what ya love and what you are inspire. For BK author case his time is over, atleast he could make a bit of his dream come to for the manga he also truly wanted to create for ages.


If I give my own vision what he could do different

- A whole redesign for the mc (its just so ugly man..)

Instead of him calling him another "builder" which he diffently isn't, call him a guardian.

Give the mc another special route to be the guardian of the houses to set him on special mission to find mysterious minerals/wood for his bro

For his bro the author can go an little bit in depth how to make houses, dont make it complicated of boredom but just simple enough to grasp how it is build.


The power system is so old fashioned in an way it Flys over your head... so let's say we keep put the colors as power system, a good example would be from the webtoon beginning after the end but a bit enhanced


Yellow (based on heat/fire/sun/steam)
Yellow 1 heat (hand/feet,breath)
Yellow 2 steam (coffee setter, shovel, air conditioner)
Yellow 3 fire (ect ect ect)
Yellow 4 sun (ect ect ect)

Just some absurd ideas that fit the author idea/style


It's also something that everyone can use, yes it makes an individuel less unqiue cuz the characters with Yellow power has the same branch but it makes more sense in battles system.

There Is so much other ideas you can blend and copy but too lazy to write any longer.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 9, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 9, 2021 ---

That's exactly the voice I had in mind of the guy that read minds

 

[Aeneas]

Shimabukuro's author comment:

"It failed because it didn't make enough of an impact! It's still a difficult time so please take good care, everyone!"

I wasn't sure if he was saying the manga didn't have enough power/strength or he himself didn't, but here's the original for those who can actually read it:

Spoiler

力不足で撃沈でした！ まだまだ大変なご時世、 皆さまどうかお元気で！

 

[WyldViolet]

Shimabukuro's author comment:

"It failed because it didn't make enough of an impact! It's still a difficult time so please take good care, everyone!"

I wasn't sure if he was saying the manga didn't have enough power/strength or he himself didn't, but here's the original for those who can actually read it:

Spoiler

力不足で撃沈でした！ まだまだ大変なご時世、 皆さまどうかお元気で！

DeepL which is more reliable than Google Translate gave me
"I was not strong enough, and I was sunk! These are still difficult times, so please take care, everyone!"

 

[SharkBait]

DeepL which is more reliable than Google Translate gave me
"I was not strong enough, and I was sunk! These are still difficult times, so please take care, everyone!"

might have to give the win to google translate, dont know why he would saw "i was sunk" unless it was supposed to be " i suck"

and it is more sensible to just say it lacked impact and failed.

 

[James Rye]

A part of the preview for the next issue

Should I expect highschool teens beating the sugar out of Candy-Zombies or something like that?

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

It pretty much confirms what is my impression about the overall reception, and Shima knows the main reason why failed, it lacked the impact that Toriko had in the long run, Build King wasn't hated or anything in the start, plenty of praise everywhere on jp twitter for at least the first 2 chapters where i followed the reactions closely, most saying it was super exciting but after a while the main complain was "it's not exciting", people just got bored, readers don't have a problem with Shima's art but with Tonkachi design that many just directly called " very ugly" and i agree that it was pretty weak compared to Toriko.

Shima's message is actually promising, because seems like he's aware of what went wrong, and can just change, there was a lot of potential in BK which shows Shima just need to be focused and knowing what he's doing, so he can deliver another popular series on Jump, i wonder what would've happened if he returned like Yabuki, with just a simple and popular theme, nothing out of ordinary and doing what he do best, in Shima's case a crazy battle shounen with amazing fights and a big world to discover, it would probably have performed at least better.

 

[SharkBait]

It pretty much confirms what is my impression about the overall reception, and Shima knows the main reason why failed, it lacked the impact that Toriko had in the long run, Build King wasn't hated or anything in the start, plenty of praise everywhere on jp twitter for at least the first 2 chapters where i followed the reactions closely, most saying it was super exciting but after a while the main complain was "it's not exciting", people just got bored, readers don't have a problem with Shima's art but with Tonkachi design that many just directly called " very ugly" and i agree that it was pretty weak compared to Toriko.

Shima's message is actually promising, because seems like he's aware of what went wrong, and can just change, there was a lot of potential in BK which shows Shima just need to be focused and knowing what he's doing, so he can deliver another popular series on Jump, i wonder what would've happened if he returned like Yabuki, with just a simple and popular theme, nothing out of ordinary and doing what he do best, in Shima's case a crazy battle shounen with amazing fights and a big world to discover, it would probably have performed at least better.

Shouldnt have done a multi-stage exam so soon.

Should have done more things like renovate upside down castle.

 

[Serinox]

The one shot for Build King was better than everything the serialization delivered in its entire run, imo.

 

[4Eyes]

Am I wrong to expect Ame no Furu to be a full nonsense action? We know so little about this series...
I really like this kind of series when it's handled properly and just hope it doesn't go for the gore way.

 

[Teennitro]

Am I wrong to expect Ame no Furu to be a full nonsense action? We know so little about this series...
I really like this kind of series when it's handled properly and just hope it doesn't go for the gore way.

What's the gore way?