Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

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Wow, why is it that I feel I can apply all of those Reborn criticisms to DGM at the moment, too?

I think it says something that it plummeted in the ToC whenever there was a long action arc. When it returns, will it be unranked or will previous chapters be ranked? I'm reeeeeally anxious to see how viewers took this most recent... yeah...
 

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Excuse me for screaming like a fangirl but GINTAMA YEAR 4 HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED!! IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE! FUCK YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
WEEHAA!! :fangirl

*joins the fangirling*

It's fan base is bulstered by fujoshi. It won't drop in the TOC because they don't care that the last years worth of chapters sucked. Get used to it, your stuck with Reborn for a long time.
I can't speak for the Japanese fujoshi but I and other non-Japanese fangirls ain't happy with the current chapters either. In fact, I having read anything since ... ehm... since... I think October last year - despite my love for slashing the Reborn boys with each other. Don't always assume that we don't care for the story just because we focus on certain character developments >.>

Actually I blame the anime and overall promotion. It's attracting a younger audience than WSJ and that boosts the manga as well. Reborn is also highly popular among cosplayers. Plus all the merchandise stuff. Even with the story gone bad I would still buy a cool Reborn figure/poster/calendar when I would find one. The characters are sympathetic nonetheless and I'm a fan of the early volumes anyways.

But hey, that's what doujinshi are for. We don't need the original story once the character setting was given :XD
 
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WEEHAA!! :fangirl

*joins the fangirling*


I can't speak for the Japanese fujoshi but I and other non-Japanese fangirls ain't happy with the current chapters either. In fact, I having read anything since ... ehm... since... I think October last year - despite my love for slashing the Reborn boys with each other. Don't always assume that we don't care for the story just because we focus on certain character developments >.>

Actually I blame the anime and overall promotion. It's attracting a younger audience than WSJ and that boosts the manga as well. Reborn is also highly popular among cosplayers. Plus all the merchandise stuff. Even with the story gone bad I would still buy a cool Reborn figure/poster/calendar when I would find one. The characters are sympathetic nonetheless and I'm a fan of the early volumes anyways.

But hey, that's what doujinshi are for. We don't need the original story once the character setting was given :XD
Again dropped Reborn a little bit before the future arc, but It's nice to have someone to bring to the Gintama bash! *Confetti for everyone!!*
 

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I'd be happy about Gintama except this: what the heck will they do for story in the fourth year of the anime? All I can see essentially is the Keroro route: we make stuff up and then throw a bone to manga fans occasionally. Besides, with the animators at Sunrise going on and on since the last recap episode that "this is the final season" and all the completeness of everything from the latest opening and ending to the "final arc" comment for Yoshiwara...what, they're going to just have Gin appear in the last episode of March and say "whoops, we lied!?" I'm happy but I just worry for worries sake.
 

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I'd be happy about Gintama except this: what the heck will they do for story in the fourth year of the anime? All I can see essentially is the Keroro route: we make stuff up and then throw a bone to manga fans occasionally. Besides, with the animators at Sunrise going on and on since the last recap episode that "this is the final season" and all the completeness of everything from the latest opening and ending to the "final arc" comment for Yoshiwara...what, they're going to just have Gin appear in the last episode of March and say "whoops, we lied!?" I'm happy but I just worry for worries sake.
Ataru...Ataru..Ataru. (Shakes head) This is Sunrise we're talking about. They probably will do just as you said. Gintoki will appear on the 'last' episode and say...'See you next week' With a big stupid grin.

Besides Sunrise has already officially announced that the series will proceed. So join in the party man! *Pops another streamer*
 

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good for gintama... but i wanted the staff to work on sket dance instead *bawls like a spoilt brat*

anyway yadda yadda yadda d gray man's still compelling, especially with the new exorcist and link fighting for a change... yadda yadda reborn's colour art shifted a while back to this sorta overly bloomed mess with rosy cheeks on fucking everyone and making them look like drug users, a wonderful support to the mediocrity i get from it week by week... yadda....yadda.... yadda....... *sigh*

it's not that i want it cancelled. i just want one straight month of being in the bottom 5, and a tank underselling, jsut to remind Amano how the fuck to make a good manga.

yare yare dawa or whatnot
 

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I can't really stand Reborn's art anymore. It's just turned in to a jumbled mess and everyone looks like they got horse genes in injected in their face.
 

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The latest D.Gray-man arc blows though. The arc with Krory infecting the Black Order was even worse. Combine that with the constant breaks and hiatuses and it makes D.Gray-man not all that great to read as of late.

I honestly think once the Future arc gets to its end game and all the pokemon box weapons disappear it will be a good thing. Or these upcoming battles could make things more interesting. The attack on Irie's base just dragged and none of the fights had satisfying conclusions. I was fine with the Future arc before that.

As for the scans of the new manga, I see myself not caring for it already and hoping it plummets to the bottom.
 

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good for gintama... but i wanted the staff to work on sket dance instead *bawls like a spoilt brat*
The likeliness of Sunrise doing Sket Dance is kind of low though, since they barely do any Jump adaptations. The last one they did before Gintama was City Hunter in the 80's. So a Sket Anime may happen, but I doubt Sunrise will be behind it. And with the anime climate lately (Anything after 2006 anyway.) of shorter more 'original' content bearing shows...I wouldn't even say Sket would get a fair shake....do you really want a Sket anime that has maybe only 10 percent of what makes the manga awesome?

...think about that noodles. Think about it.
 

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whilst you're right i'm not thinking of what i'd enjoy, more what would help it's popularity in jump XD

and really? city hunter? that is a big gap. still doesn't hurt to want the best to handle it eh
 

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I don't exactly know how the future arc in Reborn! could suck compared to the other arcs. I mean in theory it should work:

- Rival Mafia famiglia appears, which happens to have resulted from the merger of two famiglias
- Both factions of the famiglia secretly hate each other
- Rival famiglia causes unrest in the Mafia underworld, almost eliminating the Vongola
- Vongola fight back by invading rival famiglia's secret base, and most of the fights don't follow shounen stereotypes

This could've worked if it weren't for the fact that this arc takes place in the FUTURE! I mean how is the manga supposed to continue after this arc if all the new moves the main characters have learned require techniques and resources of the future? Speaking of which, the different flame types, rings and boxes are cool, but decrease the individuality of every character. And don't get me started on everyone having a pokémon now...

And just so this post isn't Reborn exclusive, this ToC looks a little wack. Bakuman's pretty low :(, Neuro does get a colour page :), Psyren's at the top of the bottom :), yet Sket Dance and Mago are still low :mad. Both of those series actually sell well, especially Mago, so I really don't get this ToC.
 

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I hope Bakuman and Psyren just had bad weeks because they are really the only newer manga in Jump that I care about right now.
 

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And OH GOD the Pokemon.

Bleach was annoying with all the pokemon ripoffs(seriously Barragan was a pokemon trainer) in the Arrancar Releases.

But OH GOD the "Pokeballs" in Reborn make me want to hurt myself when reading it. Not only that but it's so retarded now, the Varia Arc had so few superpowers and you'd actually see some cool stuff, the abilities were tame and original but now it's just "Pew Pew OMG, Lasers/Fire/the Pokemans/Horrible Art" god damned mind numbing.

I wish Amano would take a few weeks off and just read her entire manga to see where the suck started and what needs to change.

/Rant
 
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About Sunrise: compared to the Toeis, Pierrots and even Madhouses of the world, Sunrise only have two Jump series to their name: City Hunter and Gintama. In fact, Sunrise has only really had a regular shonen series since they got Inu Yasha and Gintama is their third after that and Ja-pan. Personally, I could still see them doing a great job with Sket and really rather they started that in October instead of doing Gintama for another year...but the truth is Gintama could use this move to it's advantage as becoming an "old guard" member of the magazine. I really hope though it doesn't turn the series into another Bleach which needs it's anime to stay on the air lest if will whither, collapse and die. (it more seems like it's TV-Tokyo that wants it to keep going anyway...which is weird considering how they seemed to love hiding it after not succeeding in the Golden Hour first year)
 

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I am not current with Reborn so I can't really say but I'm hearing a lot of Pokemon references (none of them positive). Is that such a big deal? Isn't Pokemon where it started for most of us anyway? Definitely so in my case. Why is it so bad that Reborn has some current Pokemon similarities?
 

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Speaking of Reborn, I know exactly how the last arc will go. It has to end with all of the arcobaleno coming together and the curse being broken somehow. Then it has to end with a badass fight with adult Reborn. Who knows how many arcs there will be before we have the "Arcobaleno Curse" arc. I think the problem with the future arc (Or at least as far as i got in it) was how slow the pace was compared to the other two arcs.
 

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Are you going to take Asklepios and Meister off of your picture, Randel? Or are the wounds still too fresh?
 

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i didnt mind the varia arc. i liked seeing where they were at that point. lol and yeah, whenever i think of how the future arc is goiing to tie into the main story im stumped. still like it though.

lol yeah the box weapons are kind of poke-like, but whats wrong with pokemon; gotta admit it was great when it first came out. did drag along though.......for a long time.....
but it was astroboy and tekkaman blade that got me started :3

cant wait for D.Gray to come back, whatever happens when it does, its going to be excellent.

and i think randal hated asklepios more than anyone lol
 

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Are you going to take Asklepios and Meister off of your picture, Randel? Or are the wounds still too fresh?
I always wait until I have high res scans of the new series before I take the sacrifices off. I'll wait til we have some good pics of Hoop Men and Beezlebaby.
 

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good for gintama... but i wanted the staff to work on sket dance instead *bawls like a spoilt brat*

anyway yadda yadda yadda d gray man's still compelling, especially with the new exorcist and link fighting for a change... yadda yadda reborn's colour art shifted a while back to this sorta overly bloomed mess with rosy cheeks on fucking everyone and making them look like drug users, a wonderful support to the mediocrity i get from it week by week... yadda....yadda.... yadda....... *sigh*

it's not that i want it cancelled. i just want one straight month of being in the bottom 5, and a tank underselling, jsut to remind Amano how the fuck to make a good manga.

yare yare dawa or whatnot
Yare yare daze. Yare yare dawa is in the female form. You've gotta keep those classic Jump references straight.

And on the subject of Reborn, I also have been rather underwhelmed by the Future arc. It was actually okay, rather interesting in the beginning, but especially since around the heavy fighting started in the Millefiore base it's been reminiscent of, well, post-Soul Society Bleach... Especially with the most recent development. New opponents appear out of nowhere, and there's gonna be another huge series of fights involving the REAL opponenets? Yeah, that's textbook Kubo-style writing. And Bleach is the other Jump series that I feel has gone from good to abysmal.

Both Bleach and Reborn could use a few weeks under Kochikame and low tankobon sales for a volume to shock their respective manga-ka back into competence, as Noodles suggested, and both Bleach Reborn will probably continue at where they are now (unless they somehow actually improve), for the same reasons. Both series' have rather impressive laurels to rest on, not to mention established fanbases who seem to care more for cool bursts of energy and mindless action than they do for a coherent and entertaining story. As long as the franchises do well, than the manga sales will be minimally, if at all, effected, and the average ToC ranking won't go much below second tier. Even Bleach, which seems to be slowly but surely losing its consistent #3 spot to either Toriko or Gintama has only sunk to the by far top of the second tier series', and it's not likely to get lower. So the chances for an improvement in the quality of both series' rests with the manga-ka, and seeing as they're the problem in the first place, I wouldn't get my hopes up.

As to Bakuman being so low, one spot below Kochikame is far from bad, especially for an already established popular series such as Bakuman, with high tankobon sales and the name of two VERY popular manga-ka on it. Bakuman is a guaranteed second tier mainstay, and that means that Jump doesn't need to push it so far to keep it sustained. I always expected Bakuman to average within 2 or three spots of Kochikame, usually about 2 spots above. That's where I'd expect a solid second tier series to hold, and I'm sastisfied with that sort of performance from Bakuman. It's only really action series' that ever make the top tier, so Bakuman was destined for the second tier from the beginning, and I expect it to do well in that position. And in terms of its position, where it is IS rather well.

I have just given a children's comic book magazine far more analysis than most people would think it healthy to give, and I don't mind at all. Hello mania...
 
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