Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[hills100]

Preview Shônen Jump #19 :

thanks
can anyone translate?

 

[Maxy Barnard]

beelzebub has a sizable space on the preview page? how peculiar.

 

[kewl0210]

Translate... hm...
It doesn't say much just like "what's gonna happen!" sorta things. It says Inumari dashi and Toriko have the center colors and the rest are just regular ads.

I have a few issues of Jump onhand, generally the ones listed there do really well in the TOC. The ones that aren't color pages, I mean. So Bakuman, OP, Psyren and Kuroko.
Not NECESSARILY comprising the top 5, but amoung them.
I'm checking these and all of them were in the top 7~ or else had a color page or something. Neuro a couple issues ago had like a super-long chapter, 16 I think. But they don't necessarily list all of em. Like Reborn was in the last few top 5s and wasn't in the previews except when it had color pages.

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

There's some mention of a mini-databook for Naruto or something, or is that not true?

 

[kewl0210]

Yeah, i can't figure out what that is... lemme see...
"File Supplement"
"Book in Book"
Naruto 10th Chronicle
読めばNARUTO 10年の歴使が丸分かり
I can't really tell what it means, I dunno.
It's a 36 page mini-book of some sort.

 

[SSJWill4]

Well, the newest To Love chapter was another pointless one. There was not even the slightest hint of a final arc as the last chapter kind of alluded to. Plus, chapter 15 of Bokke is to...start a new arc? Doesn't look like it's rushing to an ending after all...I wonder even more now what the next cuts will be. Maybe just Neuro and Hoopmen?

 

[StrangerAtaru]

To-Love I think is just To-Love. It just will probably make up an ending at the drop of a hat if it needs to. Sad, really, considering the first year's potential.

Somehow or another I sort of wished at this point Jump took some pointers from Mag and Sunday and let series have a bit of time before chopping them off. That way we would at least know and give it time before just wasting them without any real idea when the rushed ending is going to come. (if not never if it finally catches on)

 

[Rejuvenation]

If Jump did take a number from their book it would at least allow series to shape up better. However, it also means that there would be less new series appearing and if a series is shit it lives longer. XD

Hm, maybe if they allowed 20 chapters instead of around 10 it could work better.

 

[eni]

I have no problem with series getting kicked out off the magazine. My complain is that those series always will be discontinued by default although their volume sales are fairly good. Why not allowing the mangaka to continue via volume releases?

Yes, the Japanese comic market is focusing on this magazine schema but I can't understand why they can't allow at least continuations for the sake of a more suitable story end. It's not only for the mangaka but also as a responsibility towards the fans who bought the volumes from the very start. No wonder when newcomer sell badly at the beginning or who wants to start collecting something that has a high chance of getting abandoned? I'm not willing to take the risk of having a not even half finished series in my shelf. Wasted time and money, IMHO.

They don't need to let mag canceled series run for 40 volumes but when the first volumes sales where on an acceptable level, they could at the very least give the mangaka 2-3 volumes outside of the magazine to prepare a non-rushed ending as a fallback.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I feel that any ending is rushed if the manga ends before the mangaka wanted it to. I would assume most serialized manga aren't intended to last 5 volumes, so to me, it is impossible to make an ending not feel rushed, even if they are given some extra volumes. I guess there can be some exceptions like Shaman King or something...

 

[Kaiten]

I like what Sunday did with Hyde and Closer and Golden Age; rather then cancel them they were moved online where they continue every other week. Jump lags far behind in webcomics for now. Sunday and Gangan have launched full, online magazines. It would have been a good way to save series like Double Arts or Mx0, series that weren't completely rejected but were never entirely accepted by Jump's readers.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

in all fairness SQ does that too, it's only WSJ that doesn't seem to know the most obvious ideas

 

[Rejuvenation]

I have no problem with series getting kicked out off the magazine. My complain is that those series always will be discontinued by default although their volume sales are fairly good. Why not allowing the mangaka to continue via volume releases?

Yes, the Japanese comic market is focusing on this magazine schema but I can't understand why they can't allow at least continuations for the sake of a more suitable story end. It's not only for the mangaka but also as a responsibility towards the fans who bought the volumes from the very start. No wonder when newcomer sell badly at the beginning or who wants to start collecting something that has a high chance of getting abandoned? I'm not willing to take the risk of having a not even half finished series in my shelf. Wasted time and money, IMHO.

They don't need to let mag canceled series run for 40 volumes but when the first volumes sales where on an acceptable level, they could at the very least give the mangaka 2-3 volumes outside of the magazine to prepare a non-rushed ending as a fallback.

You know I actually like this idea. Honestly, what is the harm in letting someone continue exclusively in volumes so they can wrap up their story?

Double Arts is a good example since its volumes sold a lot anyway.

 

[Kaiten]

in all fairness SQ does that too, it's only WSJ that doesn't seem to know the most obvious ideas

I forgot about SQ. Is Kurohime still published online?

 

[Imitorar]

Actually, letting cancelled series finish as volumes probably wouldn't be a good idea, because it's rather rare for a series to be so unpopular in the magazine from the beginning and still have tankobon sales high enough to make printing two more volumes worth it. Double Arts is a notable exception, and I wouldn't be surprised if Shueisha has come to regret cancelling it a bit, but do you think that Asklepios's volumes sold well? What about Hitomi no Catoblepas, or Muddy? They did badly in the magazine and badly as tankobon. Why waste money printing more things that won't sell well when you could just start a new series that people might actually like? Although an online finish would be good for things like Mx0 or Double Arts, which had relatively decent tankobon sales, but again, such cases are rare.

What I wonder about are series' like D. Gray-man and Death Note, which don't do spectacularly well in the magazine, but have very good tankobon sales. How did they manage to survive until they were established without getting the same treatment that Double Arts got? I suppose it could be that Jump was more forgiving then, but I wonder if there's some baseline amount of volumes a series needs to sell the first time for the editors to decide that it's worth keeping around longer.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

I forgot about SQ. Is Kurohime still published online?

at current SQ is publishing:

Kurohime
that female soccer series
Tales of Innocence
and special chapters of loadsa other junk.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Don't forget Pat-Ken. And I actually think that Tales of Innocence completed with 3 volumes.

 

[Mr. Prince]

Bottom for #19 and preview for #20 was posted...

小ネタ
・19ドベ５　とら、21、灰、ぼっけ、ぬらり
・20巻頭鰤　ＣPSY、べるぜ

・フープに黄信号かも？

Bottom:
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

#20:
Cover for Bleach
CP for Psyren and Beelzebub

He also mentions something about Hoopmen I think something like...
"Maybe yellow traffic light for Hoop?"
Which means he could see Hoop struggling/dying in near future, I guess.

--

Anyway, CP for Psyren is sweet. Beelze as well. Hoop comment makes me already starting to get prepared the worst... : (

 

[Rejuvenation]

Bottom for #19 and preview for #20 was posted...



Bottom:
Mago
Bokke-san
D. Gray-man
Eyeshield 21
ToLove
Jaguar

#20:
Cover for Bleach
CP for Psyren and Beelzebub

I want Mago and Bokke-san to get higher. x[

ES21 is fine until it ends and I've lost track whether this is a proper ranking for DGM or not.

To Love seems to have planted itself firmly in the basement again it seems.

Damn another Bleach cover.

He also mentions something about Hoopmen I think something like...
"Maybe yellow traffic light for Hoop?"
Which means he could see Hoop struggling/dying in near future, I guess.

Fuck yes! Save my other series Hoop Men! Do not let me down.

Anyway, CP for Psyren is sweet. Beelze as well. Hoop comment makes me already starting to get prepared the worst... : (

Also agreed. I'm really loving these two series now.

I wonder if this color page could possibly be for the popularity poll though.

 

[[Cross]]

Wow, first Sket Dance gets a CP, and now Psyren, things are looking up. Bokke seems to enjoy it's place in the bottom.