Fantasy Wendy Marvell vs. Suzaku

[FireIce]

Suzaku one-shots her. With his first hit. Natsu and Erza were heavily injured so don't see how Wendy is tanking it. She hasn't shown better durability than both of these guys.

Allowing Wendy to attack first should not change anything to the outcome, unless she has higher attack power than the dragon gods in human form. Which is obviously not true.

I don't see Wendy winning against any Diabolos member on her own tbh, except maybe Skullion. She had three major advantages that favoured in her fight with Haku. He wasn't even fighting her with the intent to kill unlike the other Knights and Kyria when fighting Natsu, Laxus, Erza and Lucy.

Btw, Haku having a higher rank in the guild than the trio doesn't necessary mean he has better durability. He's still a ten-year-old kid while they are grown adults. Madmole tanked FDK's Destruction Fist better than Suzaku did, yet most of people (including me) consider Suzaku to be leagues above him

 

[Darklord#10]

No

Wendy low diffs Lucy and kyria

 

[WoWfan]

just a note, Natsu tanked the same attack that supposedly did in Selene without any fire scales for dura, which would make sense as Natsu would charge in out of shock and would fall to a standard attack. And Erza had no defense to speak of. being a kid does not make Haku any less weaker than any of the DDK, Mavis has a child’s body and she survived multiple attacks that are equivalent to the energy of the sun, moon and stars, or makarov, he has s frail, shriveled up old body and still took massive attacks in his base form and can continue fighting. happy and Natsu did not want to underestimate Haku since he was little and little people are powerful. Wendy could easily win against any of the standard Diabolos, higher rank would need her potential and Dragon force. why she didn’t bring it out when she was held down by physically strong dolls, they were tickling her so she can’t concentrate.

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku wins high diff. Suzaku>=fire dragon king natsu>haku=DF Wendy>>>base natsu

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In the arc where we have gray gajeel and Lucy, but mashima made Wendy fight a bdsk. That should tell you that Wendy is definitely among the top tier characters right now. Speed isn't really an issue here since she can tag lightspeed haku.

 

[WoWfan]

Minor correction, DF Wendy is > Haku.

 

[Ratrace]

Suzaku wins high diff. Suzaku>=fire dragon king natsu>haku=DF Wendy>>>base natsu

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In the arc where we have gray gajeel and Lucy, but mashima made Wendy fight a bdsk. That should tell you that Wendy is definitely among the top tier characters right now. Speed isn't really an issue here since she can tag lightspeed haku.

Wendy is probably the only person at that time that could defeat Haku because of his hex

 

[Darklord#10]

Wendy is probably the only person at that time that could defeat Haku because of his hex

Wendy still defeated suzaku's peer. Wendy should be low bdsk level

 

[Ratrace]

Wendy still defeated suzaku's peer. Wendy should be low bdsk level

Okay but that’s still one of the reasons why she won

 

[WoWfan]

Okay but that’s still one of the reasons why she won

Also because of strength

 

[Rigel]

How is she going to defeat Suzaku, when she can't defeat Nebal and hasn't shown evolution to defeat Kyria?

She is very weak without Irene. Now if it's Wendy having access to Irene's power as well as her guidance. Under these conditions, she has chances against Suzaku.

But only if Irene immobilizes Suzaku. And even then Wendy won't be able to defeat, since Suzaku won't pretend to be unconscious.

Irene will have to take control of Wendy's body.

 

[FireIce]

Suzaku wins high diff. Suzaku>=fire dragon king natsu>haku=DF Wendy>>>base natsu

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In the arc where we have gray gajeel and Lucy, but mashima made Wendy fight a bdsk. That should tell you that Wendy is definitely among the top tier characters right now. Speed isn't really an issue here since she can tag lightspeed haku.

You're basically ignoring the fact that her magic is much better suited to fight Haku than anyone in the guild.

Even Natsu was no-diffed by him, doesn't make Haku stronger.

EDIT. Btw, Wendy never tagged Haku. She got blitzed, couldn't hit him with her attacks and only hit him with Sky Drill because he was immobilized by his plushies.

 

[Ratrace]

Also because of strength

That could be another reason but if she wasn’t able to counter Haku hex she would have lost like Natsu and Lucy did earlier

 

[WoWfan]

FireIce, hax even requires level of magic power which indicates strength, Haku affected the monsters of labyrinth which have the same material as the walls and sealing which even Misaki says has trouble with, this should indicate that he can affect even the labyrinth itself.

That could be another reason but if she wasn’t able to counter Haku hex she would have lost like Natsu and Lucy did earlier

Maybe

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How is she going to defeat Suzaku, when she can't defeat Nebal and hasn't shown evolution to defeat Kyria?

She is very weak without Irene. Now if it's Wendy having access to Irene's power as well as her guidance. Under these conditions, she has chances against Suzaku.

But only if Irene immobilizes Suzaku. And even then Wendy won't be able to defeat, since Suzaku won't pretend to be unconscious.

Irene will have to take control of Wendy's body.

She wasn’t using her potential back then, which Irene helped her unlock. There was no indication that he pretended the entire time, his magic was undone which indicates losing consciosness.

 

[Axiomus]

Suzaku oneshots. He oneshotted Erza and base Natsu, and cut up Selene. Suzaku straight up has the best feat of Diabolos when it comes to attack power.

Natsu had to train for a week to develop fire dragon king dragon scales to defend against him, and pour all his MP into blocking the attack that defeated Selene. Wendy doesnt have dragon scales and cant match Natsu in MP.

Haku may be on Suzaku's level in terms of MP, but as the series has establised multiple times, MP means nothing unless it's used with something useful. Haku turns people into dolls and he's fast. He hits nowhere near as hard as Suzaku.

Wendy also doesnt hit nearly hard enough to take out Suzaku. Suzaku wasnt taken out by human Selene's attacks, Natsu's attacks, human Ignia's attacks, or even dragon Dogramag's attacks. He was only down when he ran out of MP. countering Dogramag's attackin dragon form. Even then, he threw his sword to Natsu...and their unison raid defeated Dogramag.

 

[WoWfan]

A week? He was partying and catching up with FT for most of the time, Erza could react but has zero dura, Natsu rushed in without thinking. He did not even have his scales up when he took the attack that “supposedly“ defeated Selene. MP does matter, even when not in use it still affects the body, so their physical forms must match Their MP, the manga makes it clear. Selene wasn’t even going all out and basically made it clear to the audience that she would let herself be defeated. Ignia’s attack not killing intent, Dog Dude’s attack not killing intent until the very last moment, even took out Suzaku before that. Yeah no that is not a unison raid, just adding fire to Suzaku’s sword, Unison raid requires both magic powers, and Suzaku states his power was spent.

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[Axiomus]

Natsu literally said it's because he trained every day that he got so strong. He flat out said that he had to use allhis power toblock Suzaku's attack.

Doesnt matter if Erza could react. Suzaku wasnt even trying, broke her sword, and oneshotted her. Erza's durability is better thsn Wendy even when she's naked. She tanked red lightning with robes that offer zero defense, and even got caught off guard.

Dogramag literally stepped on Suzaku and Natsu so hard they were sent tunneling into the ground.

Dogramag literally noted it was a unison raid.

 

[WoWfan]

That is referring to when he trained back then, because we see him partying for the remaining time he was in their world, even then he would be exaggerating, he said he concentrates he can do anything, that is what he was referring to for Fire Dragon Scales technique. Correction, he just said that he didn’t use any magic for a counter attack, nothing about defense. And she has zero defense, hence her flame pants, even minerva could break said sword and she defeated someones stronger than her, the sword is not made for defense (relatively), again, does not matter, her sword breaks all the time. Dog Dude was not even at his best anymore even with killing intent. Then Dog Dude is a moron as that is not how unison raid works. And don’t say that he had knowledge dude’s heart, even he is not omniscient, and that was only a question as he was not sure.

 

[Axiomus]

That is referring to when he trained back then, because we see him partying for the remaining time he was in their world, even then he would be exaggerating, he said he concentrates he can do anything, that is what he was referring to for Fire Dragon Scales technique. Correction, he just said that he didn’t use any magic for a counter attack, nothing about defense. And she has zero defense, hence her flame pants, even minerva could break said sword and she defeated someones stronger than her, the sword is not made for defense (relatively), again, does not matter, her sword breaks all the time. Dog Dude was not even at his best anymore even with killing intent. Then Dog Dude is a moron as that is not how unison raid works. And don’t say that he had knowledge dude’s heart, even he is not omniscient, and that was only a question as he was not sure.

He literally says "It's because I train everyday that I get so strong". If Natsu saved some of his power for a counterattack, and didnt use all his power for defense, Suzaku would have cut him up. Suzaku broke Erza's sword and oneshotted her in one move. Erza with her red pants is capable of tanking red lightning when caught off guard. What are we not getting here? Suzaku is capable of oneshotting Erza tiers, and force Natsu to completely focus on defense.

Dogramag was trying to kill Natsu after his cores were destroyed and assumed his dragon form. His dragon form literally stomped Natsu and Suzaku into the ground. Then he encased them in rock in an attempt to kill them. Suzaku tanked the stomp and broke free of his attack.

A dragon god who possesed Elfseria's heart for 100 years is a moron? That's what you're going with? It was obviously a unison raid.

 

[WoWfan]

Yet we don’t see him train everyday, so he is exaggerating or lying. But nothing indicated he used his power for a defense as we do not see fire scales. Besides we already know he can survive bladed weapons before. Erza has zero defense, that is her natural endurance, Red Lightning gets stronger overtime with more damage Laxus takes. And yet Natsu survived, Suzaku is just lucky, Wendy can survive said hits then since she can take down DDK characters. And even then he was not at full power, and they got out because he was not at full power. Yes, he is a moron, who can’t even tell when when enemies are going after their cores and doesn’t shift the labyrinth Since the labyrinth is part of his body. Just like knowledge dude is a moron for not knowing everything. How is it a unison raid when only one person is using magic?

 

[Axiomus]

Or Natsu actually trained every day, and it just wasnt shown onscreen. For all you know, Natsu could have spent 10 hours a day training, and still party for 3 hours.

Everything indicated he used his power for defense. He told us if he saved some of his power for a counterattack, Suzaku would have cut him up.

Erza's natural endurance is literally tankier than her best armours. We've seen Erza's strongest armours break while she gets back up. Yeah, and Erza tanked the red lightning after she gave Laxus bleed.

Dogramag not knowing that people were going after his core doesnt mean he doesnt know what an unison is. Mashima wouldnt add the line to make us think Dogragmag was an moron. He added the line to tell us it was a unison raid.