Discussion Where does Makarov rank among the Saints?

[Newkerzy]

As we all know, the Wizard Saints are ranked individually. However, the big question is, where does Makarov rank?

We know more about Walrod and Jura in terms of comparing strength. But we never know about Makarov's, who is one of the most prominent characters in the story. Or even Jellal for that matter.

Jura is said to be the 5th strongest after the timeskip, but we need to take into account that Makarov disappeared during the last 7 years. And if 342 is any indication, Makarov is still officially a Wizard Saint and no one has been regarded as worthy enough to replace him. In other words, there is some discrepancy about the rankings. If we include Makarov in the rankings, I think he would still outclass Jura, the 5th strongest (and I think he would agree too) since it had been implied many times that Makarov is one of the strongest Saints. So my guess is as follows:

1. ?
2. ?
3. ?
4. Walrod Shiken
5. Makarov Dreyar
6. Jura Neekis
7. ?
8. Jellal
9. ?
10. ?

Jellal is probably somewhere around 7-8.

 

[SerpentTailedAngel]

I don't think Jellal is a saint anymore, and that's part of why Jura moved up in rank. Jellal had to be stopped from going all out when they fought. Between the two of them, I think he's quite possibly the stronger. According to Jura himself, Jellal at least would have been the stronger of the two before the time skip. (I think. I kind of recall Jura once saying he was the weakest of the ten.)

But as for Makarov, that placement looks right. Jura didn't have to compete with Makarov to be recognized in universe as fifth and he lost to Laxus, who I doubt it better than his old man.

 

[abc1233]

I don't think Jellal is a saint anymore, and that's part of why Jura moved up in rank. Jellal had to be stopped from going all out when they fought. Between the two of them, I think he's quite possibly the stronger. According to Jura himself, Jellal at least would have been the stronger of the two before the time skip. (I think. I kind of recall Jura once saying he was the weakest of the ten.)

But as for Makarov, that placement looks right. Jura didn't have to compete with Makarov to be recognized in universe as fifth and he lost to Laxus, who I doubt it better than his old man.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he only said that in the Oracien Seis arc, after Jellal's title had already been relinquished due to the events at the tower of heaven.

I think we need a better idea of what exactly it is that we're ranking. If it's purely in terms of fighting power then Walrod himself said that his magic isn't very suited to fighting and there are many people stronger than him, quite possibly even Jura too. If the rest of the top 3 are similar then Makarov could be in the top 3 in fighting power.

 

[kkck]

I think jura and gerard would have been roughly comparable before the timeskip. Both of them appeared similar in recent times although it did seem like gerard had a slight edge when he was about to use his strongest technique.

Anyways, I would indeed agree on makarov being overall stronger than jura even today. Jura is supposed to be as strong as gildarts so it kinda makes sense.

As for walrod, I think he was being modest. His magic might not be suited to fighting but there is also the chance that even if that is true he just has that much power anyways. We also have to consider his magic is basically the same or very similar to azuma's and his was pretty damn effective. Perhaps walrod just uses his own differently.

 

[Newkerzy]

I don't think Jellal is a saint anymore, and that's part of why Jura moved up in rank. Jellal had to be stopped from going all out when they fought. Between the two of them, I think he's quite possibly the stronger. According to Jura himself, Jellal at least would have been the stronger of the two before the time skip. (I think. I kind of recall Jura once saying he was the weakest of the ten.)

But as for Makarov, that placement looks right. Jura didn't have to compete with Makarov to be recognized in universe as fifth and he lost to Laxus, who I doubt it better than his old man.

The reason why I ranked Jellal in is because by the time the final battle (something like the 5 Kages vs Madara) rolls in, the Wizard Saints will likely assemble and make an appearance. And just like Makarov, no one has really been able to replace Jellal's spot even though he got kicked out. So my guess is, there's still a couple of empty slots left. And if you consider Jellal's relevance in the story, then it's highly likely he'll be involved in the battle along with the Saints.

Jose.... not really counting on him to return later, but Mashima did surprise us a bit with Cobra. So, who knows?

 

[redhairSH]

Siegfried(Jellal) was a wizard saint when he only had half his power, the other half was with the Jellal that was in the tower of heaven, and so I'd say Jellal himself was stronger than Jura pre-timeskip, now they would be even with Jellal possibly in the lead(Jellal seems to be about the same as Laxus, who beat Jura)

 

[Dranzer]

1st- One of the 4 Kings of Ishgal
2nd- One of the 4 Kings of Ishgal
3rd- One of the 4 Kings of Ishgal
4th- One of the 4 Kings of Ishgal
5th- Jura Nekiss
6th- Makarov Dreyar
And so on....

But I do think think that Makarov would be much more powerful if it wasn't for his age and his health.

 

[Holt]

Officially, he is likely the 6th, after the 4 gods of Ishgar and Jura. In reality though, he should be 5th or if we were taking Warrod's statement of not being that strong literally, then he could even be 4th.

 

[SirSamuel016]

I'm not wearing underwear

Good to know.
Anyway, I think Jura moved up to 5th because Makarov wasn't around, and he surpassed the others. Makarov would've been around 6 or 7 before the 7 year time-skip, maybe 5th, but I'd doubt that or he would've gotten his rank back from Jura.

 

[Kiki]

1. God Serena
2. Hyberion
3. Wolfheim
4. Warrod Seeken
5. Jura Nekiss
6-10. ?

6-10 still remain mystery. Mashima hasn't updated it yet

 

[kkck]

My guess would be that makarov used to have jura's rank. However makarov himself probably is stronger than jura so if makarov was still a wizard saint jura would be ranked 6th.

 

[Dranzer]

Just updating my opinion above XD
1. God Serena
2. Hyperbion
3. Wolfheim
4. Warrod
5. Jura
6. Makarov
7-10. The rest that either don't exist or haven't been revealed yet.

 

[Kiki]

Before Ultear destroyed Era and Etherion, there were Jose and Jellal but their position were unknown. After that, I dunno it seems Magic Council became weak and Ten Wizard Saints rank was never updated (except Jura becoming 5th)

 

[Dranzer]

Before Ultear destroyed Era and Etherion, there were Jose and Jellal but their position were unknown. After that, I dunno it seems Magic Council became weak and Ten Wizard Saints rank was never updated (except Jura becoming 5th)

In my opinion the Saints are just hype now because we've seen that Makarov couldn't even stand a chance against one of the weakest Spriggans, so even before Jellal and Ultear destroyed everything, they still weren't much better.

 

[Ichibei]

Well lets wait til Makarov becomes serious but generally I agree with you, although Fairy Law should have some effect.

 

[Dranzer]

Well lets wait til Makarov becomes serious but generally I agree with you, although Fairy Law should have some effect.

That is true, but he never uses it. The only time he has ever used it was against Jose.

 

[Kiki]

That is true, but he never uses it. The only time he has ever used it was against Jose.

Also in Tenrou Island, against Precht

 

[Dranzer]

Also in Tenrou Island, against Precht

He didn't use it though, he just threatened to use it until Hades scared him.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

I thought that at beginning of series.
Jura was 7. Makarov and Jose were higher than him. Maybe I confused that???

Meaning that those two guildmasters would be 5 and 6 if the GoI were the same.

And because Jellal himself was not a Wizard saint but Siegrain was (who was an illusion), I thought Siegrain would be lower wizard saint (8 or 9) but Jellal be about on level Jose. Jose beat Erza and the very next arc we had Jellal who was winning against a emotionally compromised Erza.

1-4 ??? (But most likely GoI)
(Gap)
5. Makarov
(Gap)
6. Jose/Jellal
(Gap)
7. Jura
8. Siegrain
(Gap)
9-10 (wouldn't even be considered strong by fairy tail if Laxus, Erza, Mirajane, and Gildarts are higher WS tier by early series standards)

Then after Makarov disappeared for 7 years on tenrou and with the revoke of Jose.... Jura moved up to 5th (not just because he for stronger.... Which he did, I guess... but because 6 and 7 were gone and nobody else the council could vote for their places).

Which would put
1-4. GoI
5. Makarov/Jura
6. Whoever else got voted in

 

[kkck]

I thought that at beginning of series.
Jura was 7. Makarov and Jose were higher than him. Maybe I confused that???

Meaning that those two guildmasters would be 5 and 6 if the GoI were the same.

And because Jellal himself was not a Wizard saint but Siegrain was (who was an illusion), I thought Siegrain would be lower wizard saint (8 or 9) but Jellal be about on level Jose. Jose beat Erza and the very next arc we had Jellal who was winning against a emotionally compromised Erza.

1-4 ??? (But most likely GoI)
(Gap)
5. Makarov
(Gap)
6. Jose/Jellal
(Gap)
7. Jura
8. Siegrain
(Gap)
9-10 (wouldn't even be considered strong by fairy tail if Laxus, Erza, Mirajane, and Gildarts are higher WS tier by early series standards)

Then after Makarov disappeared for 7 years on tenrou and with the revoke of Jose.... Jura moved up to 5th (not just because he for stronger.... Which he did, I guess... but because 6 and 7 were gone and nobody else the council could vote for their places).

Which would put
1-4. GoI
5. Makarov/Jura
6. Whoever else got voted in

When was it said jura was 7th? IIRC jura said he was the least of the wizard saints during the oracion 6 events and over time he grew to be about as strong as gildarts until the grand magic games. I would be of the idea that makarov until the past year was more powerful than gildarts in which case it makes sense he would have been at least 5th of the wizard saints along with jose. It's hard to say where he would have ranked exactly because the mashima ultimately made short work of the 4 "gods". I think it is fair to say that when the manga started the 10 wizard saints were a notoriously more powerful organization though. It didn't even properly recover from loosing makarov and jose. The only significant thing that happened over the 8 years that makarov and jose have been a thing is that jura grew stronger but no one appeared to fill the positions left behind by makarov and jose...