Where They Are & Why Kuma Threw Them There

[Akainu]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

well call it weird, but I had an idea why Zoro was thrown to that island... since there are only ruins left on the island there is enough for him to destroy and try to master the demon sword (the last one he got) - target practice with peronas ghosts and so on, in short a really huge playground for a swordsman

 

[Naisho]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

I hope Nami will learn not only improve her navigation skills which is way to follow weather, but means to create and control weather. 16m beri too low for her ^_^

My guess - Zoro will learn a way to "cut nothing" - ghosts. I wait this since his flashback from fight which mr.1. Perona can assist him.

Chopper - he can help from giant birds in search of nakama and reassembling strawhats.

 

[Phase]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

Thread revival! I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but it caught my mind recently.

First the background, Zoro has started to unlock the power of his Kitetsu with his Asura thing, it's definitely worthy of being one of the 50 swords. He just got the Shuusui, one of the 21 legendary swords, and almost immediately started showing how powerful it was. He also commented on its characteristics, legendary hardness, heavy and powerful. It then absorbed the power of the other 2 swords the first time he tried the 108 attack.

There's something terribly wrong with Zoro right now, and that has to do with his Wadou Ichimonji. One of the 21 legendary swords, and the most important one to him because it carries the weight of his promise. It's level is supposed to be the same of his new Shuusui. But it seems like it quickly became the least powerful of his 3 swords when it should instead be his best weapon. We really know nothing about the sword itself other than it's title, even now. I predict Zoro's powerup arc will have to do with his connection to his Wadou Ichimonji, and re-establish it as his legitimate primary weapon. This may even be his gateway to using haki (which would be the best way to cut ghosts if it goes that route).

It seems to me that Zoro already learned how to cut nothing in Alabasta, I don't really want to see him learn it again. However, I will note that he's only ever used that technique with the Wadou Ichimonji alone.

 

[kkck]

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^Zoros swords have little to nothing to do with his own increase in strength though or new techniques. Certain properties they have could be convenient for techniques he beforehand was capable of. His swords hold no actual power of their own lol. That doesnt mean zoro doesnt need high quality swords though. Ordinary swords would either break just from being handled by zoro at this point or wont resist a single impact to any current enemy.

 

[Phase]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

^Zoros swords have little to nothing to do with his own increase in strength though or new techniques. Certain properties they have could be convenient for techniques he beforehand was capable of. His swords hold no actual power of their own lol. That doesnt mean zoro doesnt need high quality swords though. Ordinary swords would either break just from being handled by zoro at this point or wont resist a single impact to any current enemy.

I'm just going to provide you with some examples of when Zoro attained his swords.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/97/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/467/17/

You can see that in both cases, when it comes to legendary swords, the will of the sword is taken seriously by the owners. Such consistant foreshadowing from Oda in such important situations is never meaningless. There's no way that Oda would keep them as just "tools" after he's set them up to be more than that so nicely. Legendary swords most certainly hold power of their own, I'm more confident of that prediction than I am of any other.

 

[neomaster121]

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I'm just going to provide you with some examples of when Zoro attained his swords.

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/97/17/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/467/17/

You can see that in both cases, when it comes to legendary swords, the will of the sword is taken seriously by the owners. Such consistant foreshadowing from Oda in such important situations is never meaningless. There's no way that Oda would keep them as just "tools" after he's set them up to be more than that so nicely. Legendary swords most certainly hold power of their own, I'm more confident of that prediction than I am of any other.

honestly dude u could simply have posted the link when Zoro was surpriesed of the power of his 300 pund cannon after gaining his new sword

@kkck Zoro's destructive power has increased due to gaining another top 21 sword

Remember when Zoro thought against odz the new sword absorbed the two other attacks and made it larger and more stronger
Zoro even said he's yet to master it

tho i think perona is there to test Zoro's will continuiously
She's hidden his swords
Zoro has to hear the breath of his swords while perona keeps making his will power 0
Zoro will have to learn to hear the breath without being in near death state aka using haki

Luffy did the same surviving the poison using his will and life force
Zoro MUST have done something simular to survive kuma's luffy pain ball of which kuma said certain death should come

anyway this is just my thoughts now after iva's chat to mr 2

 

[Wowzers]

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In chapter 538 Iva-san said:

Not once have I saved the life of a fool who relies only on the help of others. Oh, I have saved countries drowning in poverty... even countries defeated in battle and left in ruins... but all that i truly did was to draw out their own will to live!

This was ringing bells with me and I thought of two islands these descriptions matched: The island Brook landed on and the island Zoro landed on.

Maybe these two islands lacked the willpower to activate his miracle, so Kuma put them on these islands specifically so they could take advantage of the "miracle" that Iva-san left there??

I'm not sure how he could use his Hormone powers to affect an entire country or how it could still be there long after Iva-san was captured but i'm having a hard time believing the coincidence in his examples and the locations where at least 2 strawhats have ended up. Maybe ALL the strawhats have ended up on his miracle islands.

 

[Shadoguardian]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

Possible power-ups for Straw Hat crew
Zoro - either learns to be gentle or use haki
Nami - learns to use wind knots with her clima-tact for more powerful attacks
Ussop - May get getter aim, and probably learns to use the unique plants in the grove for his advantage
Sanji - Strenghtens his legs and stamina from constant running, might be able to either run on water, or use one of the 3 Rokushiki leg techniques (Geppou, Rankakyu, Soru)
Chopper - may modify Rumble balls to have more points (e.g. Wing Point)
Robin - Might get a little stronger
Franky - Modifications to body and new weapons
Brook - Learns to harness music as a weapon beyond just inducing sleep.

 

[Phase]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

Possible power-ups for Straw Hat crew
Zoro - either learns to be gentle or use haki
Nami - learns to use wind knots with her clima-tact for more powerful attacks
Ussop - May get getter aim, and probably learns to use the unique plants in the grove for his advantage
Sanji - Strenghtens his legs and stamina from constant running, might be able to either run on water, or use one of the 3 Rokushiki leg techniques (Geppou, Rankakyu, Soru)
Chopper - may modify Rumble balls to have more points (e.g. Wing Point)
Robin - Might get a little stronger
Franky - Modifications to body and new weapons
Brook - Learns to harness music as a weapon beyond just inducing sleep.

This is a good list, here's where I'm leaning with it.
Zoro - Learns to draw out the power of the Wadou Ichimonji, somehow relating to haki.
Nami - Learns more weather control and impresses the people there with her ability. This causes them to give her something of great value. I'm open to what this could be, anything from a weather manipulation device to a devil's fruit.
Usopp - Learns to add some serious damage to his shots like the Kuja arrows. It seems this was a pretty low level haki that everyone there could use, so Usopp could figure this out with guidance.
Sanji - Learns a ranged attack of some sort, but this will occur after he stops trying to run. There's too much storyline potential on that island for Oda to pass up.
Chopper - Learns to enhance his rumble ball, either granting a longer duration or allowing more to be used.
Robin - This is the toughest one for me, my mind keeps focusing on storyline with her location. Extra physical strength would do her a lot of good, but it seems so bland. Extra attack distance is also a lame possibility. I think Oda will do better.
Franky - Everyone's on the same boat here, learning how to upgrade himself and maybe have someone alter his back for him. Vegapunk reproduces DF powers as a basis for his weapons. If that's true, nobody on the crew has a good DF power for that, it'd have to be someone on the island.
Brook - Brook will become the crew's "bard" from the RPG world. So I think I agree with you that he'll learn more ways to use music. Buffs, so to speak.

I think each person's storyline will wind up being epic, and they'll each wind up having a huge impact on the people/places they're visiting.

 

[ofir271]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

it is posible the crew will not only gain personal power but also arive to the battle with the WG with some assistant from the islands.
i base it on the current story line where luffy gatter strong poeple around him. its a bit off topic and kind of a spoiler.

Spoiler

robin can help free the slaves - and some of them can come with her (there was a cover with butterflys wich symbolize freedom) this can make her free from her personal demons from the past,and obvioslly stronger.

sanjy can make new friends and they will acompany him after falling in love with him(they can just run after him all the way to the war lol)

chooper sould muster his monster form and the birds can help him with that.they can also give him a ride on their back

francky sould gain some advanced knoledge of how to deal with the pacifista

i think perona can manifest ather ghosts like somthing that will ease zoro pain and contradict kuma pain ball effect.they can probablly become good friends and join him as well after hearing her master will be in the same place

nami will probably come riding a giant cloud

and brook will play a tune that enable him to fly all the way

 

[Riku]

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I think it is almost certain, that Brookes power up will deal with music. Just think about it, The cultists wanted revenge to Longarm Tribe, am I correct? The only possibly Longarm we know is Apoo. Apoo certainly had a DF that turned his body in to an instrument, but that still doesn't explain how he learned those musical attacks, especially the blow that "destroyed" Kizaru. So I have a hunch that Brook will learn some Longarm musical secrets, maybe the same ones that Apoo knows.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

The cultists wanted revenge to Longarm Tribe, am I correct?

Can you give me a link to the page of the chapter that is involved here please ?

 

[Riku]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

Can you give me a link to the page of the chapter that is involved here please ?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/04/ , here. It says tenaga tribe, but at least according to wiki tenaga=longarm. Wikis have been wrong before, though.

Thinking it more, the cultist claim tenaga stole something from them. The music techniques? At least I see drums on the side of the tent.

 

[Imitorar]

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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/04/ , here. It says tenaga tribe, but at least according to wiki tenaga=longarm. Wikis have been wrong before, though.

Thinking it more, the cultist claim tenaga stole something from them. The music techniques? At least I see drums on the side of the tent.

It's accurate. I don't know why, but whoever Franky House used for that chapter kept the Longarms' tribe name in Japanese. Stephen translated it as "Longhand Tribe", which is what he calls the "Longarm Tribe". Carlos Net is the one who dubbed them "Longarm Tribe", and he and Stephen tend to be more accurate than Ulrilra, whom Franky House uses sometimes. So yeah, Brook's up against the Longarms. Which is quite interesting, I hadn't noticed that before, so thank you Ustegius for pointing that out.

EDIT: Wait, the credits said that it was Carlos Net who did the translation for that. Ulrilra, I apologize for falsely accusing you. I don't think that Carlos Net left that in Japanese in his translation. So either he did call them "Tenaga", at least that time, or someone in Franky House changed it to "Tenaga" for some reason. Either way, "Tenaga" means "Longarm", that's pretty much established.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

So, you have totally discovered and solved the case with Brook, Ustegius.

 

[kkck]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

I think robin was sent there so that she could learn history. We know oz was there hundreds of years ago and considering the WG has been using the place as a prison, she is likely to find some decent secrets about the WG.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/456/17/

 

[Roarchu]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

oh yeah, you're right

all those guys were ppl who were against the WG, so they may know about its nastiness and Robin can learn about it

 

[bittman]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

I'm bumping this thread (rather than making my own) to discuss not why they are where they are, but how do we expect them to return. Long ago people predicted they'd appear in the Impel Down arc, I on the other hand believed Luffy would go on an adventure to reunite with them, yet still some should be able to meet with Luffy somewhere.

So, what could happen with each member -

Zoro: Even if he returned to health and found a way off the island, he'll get lost even with a Vivre card, so I doubt Luffy will catch up with him on Shabondy unless Perona accompanies him, though she's stuck on the island also by the sounds of it.

Nami: She may be a navigator, but she is kind of in the sky. If she can find a way down, she could be the first back.

Ussop: Too scared to leave on his own? Perhaps too scared to be apart from the other Strawhat's for too long (or stay on a dangerous island)? I can't see him making it back yet somehow.

Sanji: He can't commission a boat and help while he's running away. Still, he might make it back. Sanji has been shown to be resourceful and has suffered long enough without women.

Chopper: Could fly back with birds, smart enough to know how to possibly get back. Still, we're not sure exactly what he's doing on the island. He was possibly stew last we saw =P

Robin: Smart enough to make it back...but kind of imprisoned. She could break out, but even then she's not even on the grand line. I can't see her making it back.

Franky: Well he found (advanced) civilisation and friends. He might get so wrapped up in the work that he forgets to leave, but I don't see that there would really be anything that's stopping him from getting back...unless he's in the new world or something...

Brooke: He's getting panties, as if he wants to come back. But, at the same time he might be "sort of" a prisoner in his own satanic disguise. A poor country wouldn't really have a boat to lend either...

(That was actually quite fun to try imagine =P)

 

[ofir271]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

you sould consider the "new and improved" crew when thinking of their return.
ussop may not be so afraid any more.he will sure be one step closer for his dream of bieng a brave warior.
brooke can learn a flying tune.
nami can learn to ride on her own wind.
choper can connect with the giant birds and take a ride on thier back.

its hard to predict where and when they will apear my guess its later then sooner.if they apear on breaking of the battle it will take the focus and wont give them enough of it.

my guess they will come at the last chapter of the season to help luffy(and maybe ace) escape after the epic battle.

 

[k-dom]

Re: Where are there & Why they're there thrown by Kuma

My guess is that kuma will offer them the return ticket.