Who will be next Admiral?

[Bowser]

Garp was offered a position of Admiral and he's not even a Logia. The current pattern is a Logia fruit user but that doesn't mean the pattern wouldn't be broken.

Akainu is physically strong but I can't, yet, say that about Kizaru and Aokiji.

Did you not see Aokiji jump about a couple hundred metres up just to freeze two massive waves caused by WB?

 

[vagabond87]

Admirals are equally strong. They are best marine fighters. In terms of pure strenght and fighting ability they are the same- some of people are saying that Aokiji is weakest because he wasnt able to overpower Ace but we must remember that Ace is his natural enemy. He is person that took down Diamond Jozu and its very impressive- third division commander was able to throw gigant iceberg at gigants squad and Aokiji won with that someone.

 

[Fox666]

That being said, I don't think Magellan is Admiral material just yet though he probably is stronger then the average Vice Admiral and Shichibukai ((what with him being confident that Shiliew (his equal) could handle the Blackbeard Pirates alone).

I don't think he measured the strength of each foe around. He just needed someone to deal with Blackbeard, and Shiliew was the best he could find.

 

[Aikidoka]

Imo, Magellan is clearly Admiral material, no doubt. But he's more suitable to guard the prison. He proposed the idea of chasing the escapees but got rejected. He's not going anywhere.

Good point, I completely forgot about that.

IMO Magellan is (power-wise) suited to be an Admiral, but whether he's strong enough for the job or not it doesn't matter if the WG/Marines don't let him leave ID.

Another thing, Admirals can't just be powerful fighters, they also have to be able to lead. Yeah, the current Admirals don't seem to be good leaders (lazy, senile, angry), but they had to have some knowledge of commanding fleets of battleships and stuff since being an Admiral sometimes entails that. Magellan has none of that knowledge as far as we know (he was in ID since at least 20 years ago), so putting someone who's done Warden duties his entire career out on the sea would be a bit of a bad idea, no matter how strong he is.

 

[Poisok2]

I think Magellan would make a fine Admiral, but he doesn't belong to the Marine to start with... He is a prison guard. So, I don't think its possible.

 

[Fox666]

Hmm, there was a door which the Blogori used to go directly to the sea... It is a possibility to have a large one in level 6 which was used for Sanjuan...

Yeah, the current Admirals don't seem to be good leaders (lazy, senile, angry)

lol

 

[Zmsp]

Magellan's not going anywhere, he's the chief warden of ID and his ability suits that perfectly, his fruit is great, but not close enough to perfect to be an admiral, I mean, inside those small halls his Hydra would be perfect to keep things in order,cause there's no real escape, and that's that, he's a high level fighter,probably stronger than a few V.A, but he'd most surely die against Momonga,for instance.

You're dissecting his ability has a great thing overall,but let's face it, he just gets hitted around to much to be an Admiral, luffy's ability in general isn't great,he fights with his fists, if a guy with a similar speed to luffy, but with a more concluding offensive, like a sword, faced Magellan,he'd loose, c'mon,how's this even arguable? if luffy used a sword,he'd kill magellan, each ability's good against a few,and luffy and Ivankov weren't good matches against Magellan,that doesn't mean he's as strong as a R.A leader or even a 300 million rookie,it just depends on the ability he faces, a ranged enemy with decent speed would trash Magellan, and the thing about admirals is that they don't let a battle's fate rest on the abilities of the opponent, they're beasts against every fighter, Magellan isn't versitle enough to be an admiral,and that's a fact,the bars set on a insanely high level,and magellan doesn't meet that criteria not even one bit.

 

[Schabrak]

I call that bulls**t. Your assumption could be taken on every non logia fighter. Somebody with enough speed and enough damage output, may it be blunt or piercing, enough of both to win, would simply win. That's not a theory that's a simple fact. All you say is, that he just needs a good match-up, but so does every strong fighter to lose.

We saw Momonga fight in two or three panels and you already make him an uber fighter, needed nerfing. Mr.1 is fast too, can create swords all over his body and still, Magellan would own him badly. He is versatile, with great offense and defense, is good in ranged attacks as with directs ones and his ultimate weapon seems unstoppable. His gauntlets would let him defend against swords/etc. .Don't forget, we don't know how he lost to Blackbeard and his crew.

 

[Zmsp]

I'm not making blind assumptions, saying it's bulls*** and then saying that what I've said can be used against every non logia user is supposed to make what I said any less true? Tell me of a dude who's defeated someone faster and with more damage output than himself and then I'll tell you that it's true,I'm being simplistic!

Instead of going all that way to say I've said momonga is the coolest thing since sliced bread,just put a blade in luffy's hand,some control over it,and make him fight Magellan again, can you honestly say that Magellan'd win forsure? The sword would just raise luffy's damage output,going from seriously hurtful,to deadly! But it's just not luffy's kind of style, I know that if every character did the same thing,just add a pierce weapon to their arsenal,the story'd be dull,but guess what? there's swordsman who've been introduced, so that does exist, there are characters with a weapon that can kill when pierced by it, so that makes my theory plausible about Magellan not being suited for an admiral!

Now do the exact same thing that I told you to do with luffy and get him to face an admiral,by pure facts alone,could he defeat anyone of them? no he couldn't! add Haki to the equation,could he? No,he couldn't, all the admirals got haki,they can prefict ones movements to some point, hell! Aokiji got pierced by WBs bisento,and I think it's safe to assume WB's gotta be one of the best haki users around and he didn't get hurt,put magellan in his place,would Magellan be around standing?

Like it or not,it's true, simplistic logic or not,it IS true, Magellan does not have enough defensive versitality to be an admiral, and I used the Momonga reference because he apparently knows that same technique Lucci used (not sure of the name,so I won't try to spell it), so that does make him at least equal in speed to luffy, now instead of brute force,he uses a sword, replace luffy's fight at ID against magellan with a fight beetwen Momonga and Magellan,and let's not forget Momonga does know haki,so better perception of the opponents attacks, replace any attack luffy used on Magellan for a sword's pierce,can you honestly say Magellan'd be alive? no,you can't, can you honestly say momonga would be alive? you really can't. Now do the exact same thing with Momonga against any of the current admirals, can you say that Momonga would leave that place alive? he probably wouldn't,would any of the admirals? they probably would.

Get my point? Magellan's not on the admiral level,not by a long shot..

 

[Schabrak]

Arguments provable? ~ Magellan ~ Momonga ~ gore genre?

I wont write much, but I will not accept some beefed-up theory nor talk any further about someone we have barely seen. The Shanks vs Mihawk "fight"g is probably enough for all of my life. We have near to no info about him, nor have we seen him fight much against somebody, only once against Luffy, who was a lot weaker at the moment.

Keep in mind, I know he is extremely strong, he must be in the rank of a VA, has a lot of knowledge, can use haki, is a sword user, but that's it.

Give luffy a pircing weapon and I will stop reading the manga. Who wants to see a bloody Gomu-no-nail-kalaschnikov or Gomu-no-saw? Both of those attacks would simply kill enemies not fast enough. That thought is kida disturbing.

In before: I don't want Magellan to change his profession.
Can Momonga kill people without moving like Magellan does? No. Can he use a shield, that will simply kill on touch, nearly everybody in the OP world? No. Do we know if Magellan is capable of using haki? No. Does Magellan have to be fast for "his" fighting style? No, he doesn't, going against him is like commiting suicide, no it actually is. Only hormones and antidots kept those alive.

You can keep arguing with non provable arguments, it's open to you, but stating your fantasy fight as fact is a no-go for me. And damn, in the end, I still wrote that much.-_-

 

[Zmsp]

Seing that I signed up on the forum to have some discussions about the manga I do insist you reply back if you don't agree,but we'll probably both keep our opinions and drag this forever,only the non related to the discussion could say wich theory they support more,and even those could not be imparcial,so there's no real end to this..but since you said I just gave some fantasy like arguments to support my belief that Magellan's not even near the admiral level, I have to reply..

Dude, Momonga was nothing but an example,I thought of him as a close enough example of luffy,but using a sword instead of his bare fists to make my point,and I think I did, luffy having a sword is just one of the numerous examples I could come up with to show how Magellan's power isn't comparable to the admirals, the fact is, in the fight with luffy, Magellan prooved he's not admiral material, he showed great offensive diversity and his attacks are indeed lethal, but an admiral's the strongest military force on a huge organization who's job is to face thousands of pirates everyday, and a guy who's got a great offensive,but not enough deffensive variety to avoid getting hit by an opponent that has some speed isn't admiral material. Period. Magellan's strong, stronger than most of the characters we've seen so far,could he stand his ground against WB like all the three admirals did? He couldn't. Do we know any marine that is comparable to any of those 3? We don't. We're stuck with these 3 admirals for now, deal with it folks.

Is that non-fantasy enough for ya? if it isn't,I give up

 

[Fox666]

Momonga and Dalmatian Vice-Admiral fought togheder with Luffy. Luffy was already in a heavy injured state, without Gear 2, yet he could "fight" them, even if it was not enough to win.

Well, I agree, Magellan has low defenses, unless someone use his bare hands to fight.

 

[zerocooldx]

Whomever the next Admiral is, if one of the current ones truly does take up the title of Fleet Admiral, its going to have to be a character we really haven't seen before. And the reason i say that is because the strongest, strength wise, candidate for get promoted to Admiral right now is probably Magellan. I think when it comes down to it he is most likely stronger then any of the Vice Admirals, even if its only by a hair. Yet compared to the current Admirals, Magellan isn't even in their league in terms of power. If Aokiji, Kizaru, and Akainu were at ID instead of Magellan i don't think that any of those prisoners would have escaped, let alone nearly end up killing one of them.

We really haven't seen any of the Admirals overexert themselves, yet they seem to have no trouble at all in taking care of business. And having two Admirals who are head and shoulders stronger then the third would be very weird, and unbalanced. So the new Admiral or even Fleet Admiral, depending on the promotions, could end up being a brand new figure to the story. So it's not too far-fetched to think a new character or even characters could be introduced. Especially since Kong was just introduced, and it's safe to say that he is probably a power house of a individual. Meaning that there could be others like him that Oda has kept hidden from us and plans to reveal when the time is right.

 

[fcToho]

But don't forget that Kong was already introduced in Chapter 0. And he had/has a higher rank, than any other marine from the beginning.

 

[DRAGONKAMI]

How about Rayleigh ? Is power and his influence is enough to be one ! For some reason, he could become one ! With Oda, everything is possible !!!

 

[Schabrak]

How about Rayleigh ? Is power and his influence is enough to be one ! For some reason, he could become one ! With Oda, everything is possible !!!

Seen to much Twilight Zone?

Roger pirates are probably to executed a sight, if informations can't be extracted. Rayleigh himself is probably the second most dangerous person alive, as he has knowledge about the void century. He also mentioned, that he couldn't keep up with Kizaru in a long lasting fight, so no admiral material anymore.

 

[elitefox]

Seen to much Twilight Zone?

Roger pirates are probably to executed a sight, if informations can't be extracted. Rayleigh himself is probably the second most dangerous person alive, as he has knowledge about the void century. He also mentioned, that he couldn't keep up with Kizaru in a long lasting fight, so no admiral material anymore.

On my understanding is... Rayleigh can no longer fight and save luffy's crew at the same time. but if it is one on one... rayleigh could win but he is just on a defense on that time.

 

[vagabond87]

So we will probably see Admiral in one first of chapters after time skip... I still bet for Doberman or Onigumo(most likely first one). many peaople are saying that Admirals should stay logia but or it will be someone completly new, who we didnt saw earlier in the story- dont think so..
Sengoku and Garp are good examples of non-logia Admiral class fighters.
Fight with Lucci is my favourite to this day so I wont mind Zoan user as Admiral.
We saw logia and paramecia(probably Sengoku is one) Admiral fighters and Garp who most probably isnt Df user.. Now is Zoan Admiral time

 

[happy GIN smily]

why should there be a new Amiral?
if one of the Admirals is promoted to Fleet Admiral then there would be an empty seat. but it does not need to be filled if there is no qualified candidate for it.
it is also possible that none of the three Admirals will become Fleetadmiral. it could be a totally different person.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

You're right, we don't know if there has to be 3 Admirals. They could be less, more, in function of the power and strenght of the higher Marine officers. Yet, I think the next Fleet Admiral has to be a former Admiral.