Seinen xxxHolic by CLAMP

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

That reminds me of the scene in the dream world where Watanuki makes C!Sakura admit she wants to live. That scene I think is one of the single most important scenes for C!Sakura and all Watanuki is doing is just being himself. It fits beautifull with what's been coming up a lot these days about how people change each other.I still have this mad, desparate hope that somehow it's changed something for her and that she'll make it out of all this alive after all.

This recurrs to your other post in TRC about legacy somehow. I guess another way you look at it is that consequences are the legacy of actions. For what it's worth, you write extremely well.

GAAAHHH! MUST STOP TALKING ABOUT TRC IN HOLIC FORUMS!!!

What I also find interesting about all this is though the sweep of TRC is so epic, all the events are driven ultimately by personal desires. Even the most dramatic, grand-scale days of destiny are, ultimately, personal.

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

Does anyone else feel like they are profoundly missing some very important point in xxxHolic? I do. . .
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i know what it is! i did this until a friend pointed it out for me. it has to do w/ overlooking the trc connection even just slightly, or a better way to say it would be unerestimating the connection. if you will notice, things and beings created by the distortion from syaoran's wish to turn back time, die. this is usually symbolized by glass imagery. anything changed or created from the wish is symbolized by shards of glass. being created by the distortion, such as real fai (the dead twin) clone sakura, and clone syaoran, all have this glass imagery when they die. (sakura's was when she was stabbed by fai and went into the tube, she dissolved into glass) and in xxxholic, when watanuki falls out of the GLASS window and nearly dies, he see's the hand of his parents in his dream. the hands rain down shards of glass when they dissapeared. since we now know that these are cardcaptor sakura and syaoran's hands, we know that they were also affected by the distortion.

now, because of this distortion, there are only two known things remaining that have yet to be destroyed because they were created by the distortion. both of which lie in yukko's shop right now. the first being the egg doumeki has. which, as we saw last chapter, has gotten considerably smalled and is beggining to vanish. the seconed is watanuki, being the alternate version of sayoran. he is a being not meant to exist, and thus, very similar to real fai. and thus, watanuki is fated to die. but in a previous chapter, the last time we saw yukko before she dissapeared in fact, she say's that goddbyes are always sad or something like that. and that she hopes that hte shop is one more reason watanuki will wish to stay. yukko knows that watanuki is fated to die, that's why she's in clow country w/ syaoran and fei-wang reed right now. yukko is going to sacrifice herself to save watanuki. but, we can expect that that won't mearly be enough, from her warning to doumeki. "when the time comes, don't hesitate" this is probably the most immportant line in the whole series besode the normal "everything is hitsuzen" stuff. the only thing doumeki would ever, EVER, hesitate for would be involving watanuki. and the only reason he'd hesitate is if it would be if the choice he'd have to make would hurt watanuki in the end. it's quite possible that the choice he'll have to make will bind watanuki and himself to the shop for eternity in oreder for watanuki to live. don't forget, doumeki say's "anyhow, our fate is together." i doubt that watanuki would have enough power to grant wishes all by himself. and the only way for watanuki's wish to truely be full granted, as we all can guess, is staying by doumeki's side. the spirit seeing thing is a distortion of the time effect agin, and can't be elimated that easily, and it only would be if watanuki died.

one more thing . . . i have yet to figure out one last critical line. when yukko say's "yes, but doumeki will need to 'see' when that time comes" assuming she is talking about the same time watanuki will be in danger, does that mean that the spirits that haunt watanuki will try and consume him? or does it mean that the food lady (who i hate w/ a passon btw) is actually a spirit. because i don't see how somone that annoying and tediouse to the plot can stick around that long without being tied to the ending. *stabs food lady who is a threat to watanuki's life*

geeze.... i wrote a lot.... i hope that helped.... it took forever for my friend to explain it to me, and i did my own reasearch and discovered the meaning of the glass imagery....

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

OK. that post was great. Thank's for that and say thank you to your friend as well for me I feel WAY better about xxxHolic now. The glass imagery point really is inspired. Did you catch the TRC chapter title image where C!Syaoran is lying in a pool of blood and broken glass? It supports your point about the destruction of those created by the distortion AND links the two beings that were created from R!Syaoran because of the distortion (why is it that C!Syaoran and Watanuki are awesome and R!Syaoran is SUCH a toad when they were both made from him?).

xxxHolic SO isn't going to end without another threat to Watanuki's existence being overcome

 

[KaNx]

xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

The new chapter is out, you can grab it here.

When you're done, discuss it here and predict what the next one's going to be all about

 

[Lady Sakura-chan]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Translations is out! Watanuki sees CCS.Sakura and CCS.Syaoran and somehow he is reconising them, well his body does at least. Yuko is showing up again!!! Goddamn, for having one member sick, Clamp sure is fast as hell with the chapter!!!

 

[finalnight]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

Schedule got changed. 177 is now slotted for issue #18 on the 30th.

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178 will be out in issue #20 on 4/13.

 

[finalnight]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Finally, Watanuki is getting some more interaction with the big plot.

 

[ShirubiaLamperouge]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Ok, Yuko had BETTER show up again in the next chapter. And poor watanuki! His body still recognizes his parents, even if he doesn't...
It feels like this chapter is really early... I guess that's what happens with xxxholic when there's no 2 week break.
Where were they anyway. It looked like the dream world. Hey, does that mean that the CCS and the R's are in the dream world? Ok, more relevant to tsubasa thread. Anyway, the egg is seen again (Dun DUH). "Nothing will be born from this egg". So I guess that means nothing's inside it, but it will almost definitely have a large effect on Watanuki, so... If nothing will be born from it, why an egg? The egg is pretty much universally seen to symbolise the beginning of life, and rebirth and stuff along that line. "Nothing will be born from this egg" could also mean that the egg won't create anything indirectly or something... That makes it sound like a backwards way of saying that it's going to destroy something.
I always feel like I'm on completely the wrong track whenever I try and predict CLAMP.
I wonder what Watanuki will do now, though. I like the way xxxholic stays related to tsubasa, but portrays events in a different way, like, in tsubasa when the CCS pair show up it's immediately a huge event that can plausibly affect the fate of the whole universe, but in xxxholic it's watanuki seeing his parents for the first time in forever.
Back to the egg, I doubt it will be like a hugely powerful thing that'll drastically affect everything that's going on. That's not how holic is.

Well, out of thoughts. Except I'd like to see the lady who won't eat her own food again. She should talk to watanuki more. It seems to be good for her.

finalnight: It still isn't holics big plot. Watanuki will probably be involved, sure. But I expect it won't be in a direct way.

 

[watanuki01/04]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Being that one of the themes of XXXHolic is 'feelings', Im gonna make a guess on what that egg is.
That egg, i think is the original egg that CSakura got from Acid Tokyo which was the price for the water that Watanuki and Doumeki collected.
That egg contains the feelings of quite a few characters
CSakura, Yuuko, Doumeki, Kohane and possibly Watanuki as well.
Although i couldn't possibly guess what Clamp is going to do with all these feelings (Clamp being Clamp after all!) But i'm guessing that they will participate in some way.
Oh! and also the only thing that Yuuko can give without asking for a price is feelings. That has to be important too.

 

[Flipper]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

It sure was enjoyable to see another Xxxholic chapter available so soon. As expected this didn't really clear anything up, though it foreshadowed some future events, for example; the importance of the egg is mentioned at the start, and as watanuki0104 (hope I got that right) said, feelings is the theme of Xxxholic.

It was stated that the egg will not hatch into anything, but it's still clearly important. It could be meant to overshadow the fact that, even though it isn't hatching into anything, it doesn't mean that something cannot be hosted within it. That is to say feelings could be incubated in it, but no matter what it's obvious it will be something important (most probably something unpredictable).

He sees his parents, and once again the term "body's memories" comes into play, when he instinctively takes a step towards them, and recognizes them but can't seem to remember them.

All of these elements have been heavily foreshadowed through both trc and xxxholic, and in that sense this chapter could be more of a transitional chapter, where it further enhances these elements and is building to a crescendo later on (who knows?).

PS: I've been lurking here for, god knows how long, and recently lurking wasn't enough, so I ended up registering here. Greetings to all you people here, and I hope to have some interesting discussions.

 

[ZaCloud]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

Wow. Amazing post there, kurofaikitty! I had noticed the glass-shatter thing, but not the connection between them all before. If what you say is true... then, wow, the ramifications are indeed powerful.

It sort of goes with what I was saying more vaguely before, except you found a good, concrete connection. If Watanuki manages to defy the odds and keep on existing, for xxxHolic-readers-only it's like "Yay, personal triumph!" but for those in the know about both stories... his simple act of still existing could very well be linked to a HUGE turnaround for the Tsubasa cast. While all else wrought by their alterations shattered, HE remains, and that could be the key to what is to come.

Very awesome find by your friend and well written by you.

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

being the stupid head that i am and not knowing the scedule, it tottlay blew my mind that a new chapter was out already. it's been less than a week. i mean, i just got hte translations for 176 on wensday. sheesh! but thank u clamp! this chapter has been my fav from all the recent ones. and the opening page that finally mentioned the egg and all made me fangirl squee. and how watanuki ran out of the bath. waaahhh he's sooooo cute! and for once he was worried about doumeki.... yay! i really am wondering what the egg is for tho... and i luved when he saw the scene from the newest tsubasa! bwah! and there was glass imigery again.... glasssssss..... watanuki is in danger doumeki! save him!!! save him save him save him!
clamp, get well soon! hte delays r killing meeeeeee.... i need new tsubasa and more xxxholic doumeki fluff..... *dies* but the fast chapter was a great surprise! luved it!

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

awwww.... thankies guys! nad the newest chapter made me freak out, cause guess what? glass imigery!!!! 177 is out! woot! plus, i notice weird stuff like that too much. ap english makes me mentally anotate my manga...... but my friend in england figured it out! yay! now, i must tortue my brain waitng for tsubasa oad subs....
and yes, R!syaoran is a toad. i don't really like him at all. i luv C!syaoran just fine and i worship watanuki lots cause he's on an insane level of cute.

 

[ShirubiaLamperouge]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Just in a little continuation of what you guys were saying on the last chapter discussion, I really liked ur post about the glass imagery, kurfaikitty. And it made me think something along the lines of what zacloud said about watanuki's continued existence affecting tsubasa. This is kinda both related to tsubasa and xxxholic, and seeing as I'm here, I might as well post it here. Watanuki deciding he wants to continue to exist is like a huge deal in holic, and in one of the chapters in the dream world csakura basically says the same thing, when watanuki asks if her wanting everyone to live includes her, and she says yes. It's like... Oh, how to explain myself... Like their choosing to exist means that all those created by the distortion will continue to exist, sort of.
I can never explain myself properly. It's most frustrating.

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

I still feel like there's some huge profound truth lurking in the two stories only now I'm excited rather than frustrated. What ARE the implications for TRC of Watanuki's existence? There are so many mysteries left to be uncovered. It's great

R!syaoran is a toad. i don't really like him at all. i luv C!syaoran just fine and i worship watanuki lots cause he's on an insane level of cute.

OK, you just made my day.

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

OK, the scene where Watanuki saw his parents without knowing it at a surface level caused pangs to the heart. . .

I don't think the scene is taking place in the dream world, but perhaps the dream world is acting as a portal to the increasingly less cut off time. Or there's some sort of harmony between the shop and the cutoff tiem becaus they're both separate miniaature realites.

What I find interesting about the egg is that C!Sakura wished to restore C!Syaoran's heart over it. When I realized this and read back over it I noticed that she forgets to include any mention of her own happiness in the wish (almost the opposite. She's reflecting on how she's a selffish person as she makes the wish). Her wish comes true in pretty much the saddest way possible which is very true to the spirit in which she made the wish. I'm not syaing the egg can grant wishes, but it is powerfully connected to C!Sakura. Sometimes I wonder if the existence of the clones is tied up with Watanuki as well. They are all artificial beings of a sort and they all sprang form the same person.

Shirubia - For some reason the names bug me a bit but nice plot I like the bit about anti-magic. Will it somehow be important to the plot later? Work with it, it's cool. There's some good stuff sbout magic theory and fundamentals lurking inside it. Perhaps you could have some anti-mages. I know that's a bit of a Circle of Magic ripoff, but the author doesn't explore the idea nearly as much as I'd like her to and those who draw their power from what is scorned and dangerous are always interesting. . .

 

[ZaCloud]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

the newest chapter made me freak out, cause guess what? glass imigery!!!!

I know! As soon as I saw that I was like "OMG! Well that just settles it!"

now, i must tortue my brain waitng for tsubasa oad subs....

Dunno how long these'll be up but here you go. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqtlCYhTtVo&fmt=18

R!syaoran is a toad. i don't really like him at all. i luv C!syaoran just fine and i worship watanuki lots cause he's on an insane level of cute.

I don't agree, but that made me lol anyway. (Watanuki wouldn't exist if it weren't for R!Syaoran anyway, same with C!Syaoran)

 

[Vande]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

177 is already out....

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

do u think the egg has some kind of magic because of sakura's wish? when u guys said stuff about the wish and her saying that she wanted to restore syao's heart, i kno she meant C!syaoran, but... restoreing his heart... couldn't that apply to R!syaoran as well. because until a short while ago, he was split into three pieces of himself. (clone, him, wata) but... tho restore him completely... wouldn't watanuki have to return to the body he originally came from? aka, merge w/ syoaran? i thought for a long time that that would be a super emo clamp-like ending for both series... but i still don't rule it out. but it's also a possibility that watanuki will lose all his memories of the shop and yukko and everything. he's already sacrificed memories for syoaran before, adn he doesn't even remember doing so. i wouldn't be at all surprised if he lost all his memories of the past few years. and that would be plenty reason enought for doumeki to hesitate about his choice with the egg, wouldn't it? if watanuki lost his memories of everything, that would more or less include doumeki too. and that would probably make doumeki just a little pissed. i'm picturing an ending for both series similar to the ending of the seconed Cardcaptor Sakura movie. (if u don't kno what i'm talking about, go watch it! best anime movie eva!) it would be sweet yet heartbreaking, just like clamp always ends things. (damn u clamp.... give us a not depressing ending pleaz!) very similar to a depressing fanfic i read. grarg... wata-chan, don't give up ur memories for taht idjiot R!syaoran!
fanfic link
http://flakedice.livejournal.com/42425.html#cutid1

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 176 Discussion/177 Prediction Thread

he wouldn't exist, ur right.... drat. but he's to seriouse, and stuff 4 me. lighten up R!syao! but even if u r a goober, u made a cute poofy little wata-kitty 4 me! *squishes the wata-kitty* and with out watanuki, doumeki wouldn't be half as fun. XD. doumkei's my fav.