Discussion Zeldris, Meliodas and Estarossa

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I went over chapter 109 again (I was actually looking for something else entirely but whatever) and came to the panel where Fraudrin explains the dangers of the Sins. I am now more than ever convinced that the one who replied with "Ah, Meliodas" was Estarossa, due to his (unhealthy) fixation with his elder brother.

So now I'm still wondering, how and why does Hendricksen seem to recall that voice? It's a mystery to me. I can't piece it all together how Elizabeth saw Estarossa in Mel's armor in her dream or memory and how Hendricksen apparently recognizes a voice that is either Zeldris or Estarossa (though Estarossa really seems to fit the whole situation a lot more now).

Almost all people I have seen musing on the three brothers believe that Meliodas is unchanging in his appearance because the manga simply gives that impression. But what if Meliodas also lives out several life cycles? If you think about it, the periods in history where we have concrete reference points have huge unknown gaps between them. We know that Mel looked like he does 3000 years ago. We know that he looked like it several hundred years prior to the story line. We know that he looked like this when he was in Danafor, so basically up to 20+ years ago.

Theoretically there is enough time in between for a natural lifespan. Could it be that Meliodas has "died" (but not really, only reverted to his small child-like state) several times and been incarnated into the same body over and over again, much like the goddess apostle/Liz reincarnates in different women? So could there have been a moment in time where Meliodas was indeed grown up and both Hendricksen and Elizabeth remember that? Hendricksen respectively remembers it through Fraudin's implanted memory (since he was shortly possessed by him), Elizabeth remembers it from a previous incarnation?
 

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But the one we saw immediately after was zeldris, not estarosa. There is no reason to think the one who said that could have been estarosa.
 

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But the one we saw immediately after was zeldris, not estarosa. There is no reason to think the one who said that could have been estarosa.
Which could simply be to mislead the readers. Wouldn't be the first time. Imo it's Estarossa.
 

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Which could simply be to mislead the readers. Wouldn't be the first time. Imo it's Estarossa.
I think such a thing would be a first time, in manga even. Having estarosa speak even though it makes absolutely no contextual sense is flat out weird.
 

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Some things make contextual sense in retrospect. It is called foreshadowing.

You don't have to agree with me but I see it that way.
 

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Did you guys notice that in this picture where Estarossa is reminiscing the past of the Ten Commandments, Zeldris is nowhere to be seen? There are also all those similarities between Meliodas and Zeldris (voice, face, everything is pretty much the opposite like demon mark on the left/right, blonde/black hair, etc.). Also, Meliodas and Zeldris have now have the same demon mark, albeit on opposite sides of their bodies, but in this picture you can see that Meliodas used to have a bigger mark right in the center of his forehead. Personally, I believe Meliodas and Zeldris are two halves of the same person, pretty much like Good Majing Buu and Evil Majin Buu.

 

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Did you guys notice that in this picture where Estarossa is reminiscing the past of the Ten Commandments, Zeldris is nowhere to be seen? There are also all those similarities between Meliodas and Zeldris (voice, face, everything is pretty much the opposite like demon mark on the left/right, blonde/black hair, etc.). Also, Meliodas and Zeldris have now have the same demon mark, albeit on opposite sides of their bodies, but in this picture you can see that Meliodas used to have a bigger mark right in the center of his forehead. Personally, I believe Meliodas and Zeldris are two halves of the same person, pretty much like Good Majing Buu and Evil Majin Buu.

Meliodas referred to him as his younger brother, Zeldris confirmed Meliodas was his older brother, and their birthdays are on different dates.
The most likely explanation is that Zeldris was not yet born at that time, seeing as Estarossa looked more of a child than even Meliodas.
 

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Estrosa is fucking weird
1. Meliodas never talk to him, not even up until now, heck in past how he look at Etrosa whe he help him its just like look his "bastart brother", he more care with Zeldris.
2. Estrosa wing look like Elizabeth "holy wing".
3. He have 7 holy sword/ magic to kill demon.
 

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For ur information demon king is the strongest demon not meliodas.... He needed dolor and gloxinia to aid him against the demon king..... And yes he might be strong with the power of commandment... Bt magic wise nah, he is nowhere near escanor.... And somehow escanor is definitely related to a sun goddess if She existed.... Estarossa has the ability to mutate something in contact with him and explode it... But can he even have physical contact with escanor and touch him??? Escanor can emit light comparable to a sun, is estarossa able to see him if he emits so much light??
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True.... If meliodas turned out to be stronger than escanor, then the manga and the anime will be boring... If nakaba wants to keep the hype, at least a side character(protagonist) should be stronger than the main character....

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Yeap he is always cool in his prideful form. Never saw him angry in pride form, not even once.... Don't know what else trick escanor has under his sleeve....

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When was that ever stated?. It was made pretty clear that in the past Meliodas had the strength to rival the demon king.
 

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Really??? Then why would he need dolor and gloxinia to aid him against the demon king??? Definitely he can succeed the demon king with the power of the commandment which was bestowed upon him by demon king... Look at where he stand without the power of demon king...
When was that ever stated?. It was made pretty clear that in the past Meliodas had the strength to rival the demon king.
 

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Really??? Then why would he need dolor and gloxinia to aid him against the demon king??? Definitely he can succeed the demon king with the power of the commandment which was bestowed upon him by demon king... Look at where he stand without the power of demon king...
When he fought the Demon King with Dolor and Gloxinia he would have already lost his power. The Demon King didn't give him his power, he gave him the Commandment. If that really is the Demon King down there in purgatory then he himself named Meliodas the strongest demon.
 

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Really??? Then why would he need dolor and gloxinia to aid him against the demon king??? Definitely he can succeed the demon king with the power of the commandment which was bestowed upon him by demon king... Look at where he stand without the power of demon king...
Because he was converted by Liz in the past and it depleted his power. The demon king referred to Mel as the mightiest demon last chapter.
 

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Because he was converted by Liz in the past and it depleted his power. The demon king referred to Mel as the mightiest demon last chapter.
Because he was converted by Liz in the past and it depleted his power. The demon king referred to Mel as the mightiest demon last chapter.
Which part of the manga stated this fact?? Never heard of it.....
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Kindly remind me that who made meliodas stronger??? Who gave him his current form??? Who devoured his emotions and gave him power?? Since he betrayed the demon king where was his power??? Even a human escanor had surpassed him... Where does ur 'strongest demon' stand now???? He is being overrated for no reason....
When he fought the Demon King with Dolor and Gloxinia he would have already lost his power. The Demon King didn't give him his power, he gave him the Commandment. If that really is the Demon King down there in purgatory then he himself named Meliodas the strongest demon.
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Which part of the manga stated this fact?? Never heard of it.....
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Kindly remind me that who made meliodas stronger??? Who gave him his current form??? Who devoured his emotions and gave him power?? Since he betrayed the demon king where was his power??? Even a human escanor had surpassed him... Where does ur 'strongest demon' stand now???? He is being overrated for no reason....

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That's due to Meliodas being cursed not the Demon King taking away power he gave to Meliodas. He can't be overrated when the Demon King is the one that called him the strongest. There's a reason The Commandments feared Meliodas. His power was his own and otherwise has never been stated. The Commandments was given to him from the Demon King. A human Escanor is stronger than a Meliodas who was not and has not been at full strength in Escanor's lifetime. And don't talk like Escanor is just some human.

To put it simply: Meliodas is cursed and has not had his full power in 3000 years. It was clearly stated that he was the most powerful demon and then shit hit the fan when he met Liz.
 

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That's due to Meliodas being cursed not the Demon King taking away power he gave to Meliodas. He can't be overrated when the Demon King is the one that called him the strongest. There's a reason The Commandments feared Meliodas. His power was his own and otherwise has never been stated. The Commandments was given to him from the Demon King. A human Escanor is stronger than a Meliodas who was not and has not been at full strength in Escanor's lifetime. And don't talk like Escanor is just some human.

To put it simply: Meliodas is cursed and has not had his full power in 3000 years. It was clearly stated that he was the most powerful demon and then shit hit the fan when he met Liz.
At that moment he was ruthless and could control his darkness that what made him the strongest now his emotions made him peaceful and can't even control his power
Plus at that moment estarossa vas a kid and zel wasnt even born
He didnt lose any strength
 

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Which part of the manga stated this fact?? Never heard of it.....
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Kindly remind me that who made meliodas stronger??? Who gave him his current form??? Who devoured his emotions and gave him power?? Since he betrayed the demon king where was his power??? Even a human escanor had surpassed him... Where does ur 'strongest demon' stand now???? He is being overrated for no reason....

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Did you read last weeks chapter?.
 

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That's due to Meliodas being cursed not the Demon King taking away power he gave to Meliodas. He can't be overrated when the Demon King is the one that called him the strongest. There's a reason The Commandments feared Meliodas. His power was his own and otherwise has never been stated. The Commandments was given to him from the Demon King. A human Escanor is stronger than a Meliodas who was not and has not been at full strength in Escanor's lifetime. And don't talk like Escanor is just some human.

To put it simply: Meliodas is cursed and has not had his full power in 3000 years. It was clearly stated that he was the most powerful demon and then shit hit the fan when he met Liz.
Estarossa and Zeldris had both the same potential to be meliodas level, but not at the time, it just happened he was older and Estarossa had no proper weapon of his own at the time (same with Zeldris), http://www.mangahen.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai_Chap/176/09/, without that Estarossa and Zeldris couldnt even fight Escanor, as shown in this week´s chap, with Esta, taking out his dagger, of course now they have weapons of their own, which help them channel their powers way better than before, also Mel at that time as a leader of the ten commandments, should have also received a commandment, but he now as received a curse instead, by the demon king, which at least limits him, body level wise against, Esta, while putting him on the same body size as Zeldris.

Escanor´s full power, should be above Mel´s and he should therefore be stronger but due to full counter´s nature and moves like "revenge counter", Escanor would lose against Meliodas.
 

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He was the strongest in his era... Not currently.. As a meliodas fanboy even u should know this fact very well that meliodas HIMSELF stated that escanor is stronger than him.. And yes he didn't use the term currently which means escanor is stronger than meliodas even in his max power... Escanor is a human after all... He was supposed to be stronger after dying because demon king devours his very emotion every time to give him his power..... Commandment feared him??? Lol zeldris and fraudrin reached out to attack him when he was teleported back by merlin... Not even galan was afraid of him...
That's due to Meliodas being cursed not the Demon King taking away power he gave to Meliodas. He can't be overrated when the Demon King is the one that called him the strongest. There's a reason The Commandments feared Meliodas. His power was his own and otherwise has never been stated. The Commandments was given to him from the Demon King. A human Escanor is stronger than a Meliodas who was not and has not been at full strength in Escanor's lifetime. And don't talk like Escanor is just some human.

To put it simply: Meliodas is cursed and has not had his full power in 3000 years. It was clearly stated that he was the most powerful demon and then shit hit the fan when he met Liz.
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Yes I read and pls show me???
Did you read last weeks chapter?.
 

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Commandment were never afraid of him it was the goddesses... And yes his desire was to become the strongest demon of all he wasn't the strongest. http://www.mymanga.me/manga/Nanatsu_no_Taizai/183/7.,, and yeah demon king made him stronger every time he died by devouring his emotions as u can see..
Estarossa and Zeldris had both the same potential to be meliodas level, but not at the time, it just happened he was older and Estarossa had no proper weapon of his own at the time (same with Zeldris), http://www.mangahen.com/Nanatsu_no_Taizai_Chap/176/09/, without that Estarossa and Zeldris couldnt even fight Escanor, as shown in this week´s chap, with Esta, taking out his dagger, of course now they have weapons of their own, which help them channel their powers way better than before, also Mel at that time as a leader of the ten commandments, should have also received a commandment, but he now as received a curse instead, by the demon king, which at least limits him, body level wise against, Esta, while putting him on the same body size as Zeldris.

Escanor´s full power, should be above Mel´s and he should therefore be stronger but due to full counter´s nature and moves like "revenge counter", Escanor would lose against Meliodas.
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Commandment were never afraid of him it was the goddesses... And yes his desire was to become the strongest demon of all he wasn't the strongest. http://www.mymanga.me/manga/Nanatsu_no_Taizai/183/7.,,
 
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