Discussion Zeldris, Meliodas and Estarossa

[Gallon]

Interesting comment from coffin-of-eternal-darkness

What surprises me the most is the fact that that Meliodas, who seemed to feel nothing, assured Zeldris they're brothers.
That being said, Zeldris must've been quite young to blindly believe what Meliodas said, so Mel can't have said that just before his betrayal. It seems like Mel wasn't all that emotionless at the time.

They might be in the case position as Luffy, Ace, and Sabo, but the genes and the marks...

 

[kkck]

What surprises me the most is the fact that that Meliodas, who seemed to feel nothing, assured Zeldris they're brothers.
That being said, Zeldris must've been quite young to blindly believe what Meliodas said, so Mel can't have said that just before his betrayal. It seems like Mel wasn't all that emotionless at the time.

They might be in the case position as Luffy, Ace, and Sabo, but the genes and the marks...

My guess is that this relates to how demons come into being. Demons are a clan with relatively few members and even then red, blue and grey demons seem mostly expendable. In a clan with so few members you'd think each one getting destroyed is a bit of a tragedy considering there would be less and less demons to produce demons. And really, if the lesser demons are expendable that only leaves the 10 comandments and perhaps a few other demons altogether (fraudrin came from somewhere so I get that the entire demon population is not just the 10 commandments). Odds are there is an element sexual reproduction when it comes to demons however odds are that it is not necessarily the most common means by which demons come to be if we consider how few of them there are. If demons are made or perhaps spawned then it does not make sense that meliodas, zeldris and estarosa would be brothers in a biological sense. So perhaps their brotherhood is something which they decided on.

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

There are two things that i though about
The first
We know that for meliodas to lift his curse he needs to kill all the tc and we know that fraudrin is gowthers substitute so if he kills fraudrin the commandment will return to it original owner gowther so he also needs to kill him
And the same thing with zeldris he's mel's replacement so the commandment will return to mel so then he needs to suicide
And the second is how did mel betray the demon clan if he was piety?? He should be affected by his commandment

Also poor ban he will be forever alone (unless someone can take away his immortality)

 

[kkck]

There are two things that i though about
The first
We know that for meliodas to lift his curse he needs to kill all the tc and we know that fraudrin is gowthers substitute so if he kills fraudrin the commandment will return to it original owner gowther so he also needs to kill him
And the same thing with zeldris he's mel's replacement so the commandment will return to mel so then he needs to suicide
And the second is how did mel betray the demon clan if he was piety?? He should be affected by his commandment

Also poor ban he will be forever alone (unless someone can take away his immortality)

Well, meliodas would have had several oportunities to escape his commandment curses. As far as we know he has died several times Each time he would have been freed from the commandments. If he was in fact piety, then that means meliodas necessarily had to die to be free of his own commandment. And then he would have had to resurrect.

Some time ago I made the point that perhaps the two that were replaced by dolor and gloxinia because supposedly meliodas killed them might have had something to do with meliodas being immortal. Basically meliodas would have been afflicted by their two commandments and the combination of both commandments is what allows meliodas to return. Now we know that gloxinia is the commandment of repose and dolor is the commandment of patience. We still don't know the exact conditions and effects the commandments have but it is not impossible that a combination of repose and patience would allow meliodas to resurrect eventually every time he dies. The issue would be whether meliodas tricked both commandments into doing this or whether they sacrificed themselves so that meliodas would be freed.

 

[Skibbie]

i mean they're already 10 here

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[Gallon]

That's common sense. He replaced his brother after the betrayal, from what we can tell.

 

[Skibbie]

That's common sense. He replaced his brother after the betrayal, from what we can tell.

but you can replace the leader while still being part of the group. good example of that is in my country our president was forced down the presidency by the people, and the vice president succeeded his throne.

 

[Gallon]

but you can replace the leader while still being part of the group. good example of that is in my country our president was forced down the presidency by the people, and the vice president succeeded his throne.

Of course, but at that point, Zeldris was most likely very, very young.

 

[Meliodaf]

I thought we all understood this since the second oldest was still a child and he wasn't pictured

 

[Arjuna]

I am just curious why Meliodas feels only guilty about Zeldris and considers himself to be a failed elder brother?


But regarding Estarossa why he doesn't even talk to him and deliberately avoids him.

Is it really only Meliodas's biased towards Zeldris or something else?

 

[HereNThere]

I am just curious why Meliodas feels only guilty about Zeldris and considers himself to be a failed elder brother?

I mean, sealing him up and killing his girlfriend without his knowledge seems good enough for me.

 

[Bamn]

No they are actual brothers.

Because they have different personalities. Meliodas is not the kind of person to show a scared expression in the face of adversity.

They have similar features and Estarossa looked a lot like him when he was younger. Meliodas was his role model and he even developed a similar Magic. It's safe to assume he is his brother until we learn more. I still find it weird that Meliodas and Zeldris have the exact same height and weight, even their voices are similar.

My bad for not explaining it well, I'm just wondering how Estarossa would look like if he didn't yearn to be like Meliodas, is it the commandment that makes him look like whoever he yearns to be? Or am i just looking to much into this. It's just so weird that Meliodas and Zeldris kinda lookalike but Estarossa doesn't. And iirc Meliodas never talked about Estarossa once in the past or showed any affection towards him

 

[MrSchmitty7]

There are two things that i though about
The first
We know that for meliodas to lift his curse he needs to kill all the tc and we know that fraudrin is gowthers substitute so if he kills fraudrin the commandment will return to it original owner gowther so he also needs to kill him
And the same thing with zeldris he's mel's replacement so the commandment will return to mel so then he needs to suicide
And the second is how did mel betray the demon clan if he was piety?? He should be affected by his commandment

Also poor ban he will be forever alone (unless someone can take away his immortality)

I don't think doll Gowther had the commandment, only original Gowther. Who's already dead

 

[Escanorzoldyck]

I don't think doll Gowther had the commandment, only original Gowther. Who's already dead

It's been a year and 10days since i posted that

 

[MrSchmitty7]

It's been a year and 10days since i posted that

Oh. Ohhhhhhhh. Oh guess I should've checked the date

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

Fanbook scans are out here:

@FKS IIRC wasn't their a ? next to Zeldris or Estarossa if they were Meliodas brother.

 

[Demonspeed]

@FKS IIRC wasn't their a ? next to Zeldris or Estarossa if they were Meliodas brother.

I am not FKS but I can reply. Yes there was a question mark. But now it's clear they are brothers I'd say.

 

[Isaiah Thomas]

I am not FKS but I can reply. Yes there was a question mark. But now it's clear they are brothers I'd say.

The reason I asked if it was by Zeldris or Estarossa because if it was by Estarossa name then maybe Nakaba was hinting at something. Especially with the way Meliodas treat Zeldris compare to Estarossa.

 

[ShadowCT6]

Just for mere curiosity: what was Meliodas commandment when he was part of the TC? It was certainly one of the following three: Patience, Repouse or Pacifism. However, since he was used to kill many enemies, there was no way he was the Pacifist. So, we only have Repouse and Patince as possibilities. Has it ever been stated once? And what do you think?

 

[Demonspeed]

Just for mere curiosity: what was Meliodas commandment when he was part of the TC? It was certainly one of the following three: Patience, Repouse or Pacifism. However, since he was used to kill many enemies, there was no way he was the Pacifist. So, we only have Repouse and Patince as possibilities. Has it ever been stated once? And what do you think?

It has never been stated but I think it was Patience.