Discussion Zeldris

[MrSchmitty7]

Wait Mel said those words when Escanor beefed up more than when he destroyed Estarossa right. So Escanor was around 120k at that time because it was about 12nn more than 1130 am i suppose. So I think it would be safer to assume Zel or Estarossa was on that level so to speak.

I think the problem is that people are looking into Mel’s words too much. The issue is that
A. It’s very possible that Mel fought Zel outside of assault Mode
B. 11:30 is a mistranslation. The correct time was 11:00 when Escanor beat Estarossa (confirmed by FKS)
C. Zel and Esta’s powerlevels are confirmed to be 60K and those were the states they got trashed in.
D. Mel saying he had fun implies that he’s holding back, so odds are he’d hold back more against Zeldris, because he’s much weaker

If they could match Escanor, they would’ve done so in the first place. Problem is that Escanor is just too strong and even if they powered up they somehow need to get 40K+ points of power. Chandler’s introduction and powers aren’t just a coincidence. He’s literally the hard counter so that Escanor doesn’t go oneshotting 9/10ths of the plot.

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how did Estarossa beat Mael then?

We have no idea how the fight went/ it could’ve been night and Escanor is a special case in the first place. He might have more to the power than meets the eye plus the grace did choose him for an unknown reason meaning that it was just idly around for 3,000+ years. The best bet would be to probably just wait for an Escanor gaiden or to see how the chapters play out. I doubt that we’ve heard the last of Mael.

Plus in Japanese and in CrunchyRoll’s translation Mael’s power translates to Sun while Escanor’s translates to Sunshine. I’m willing to bet there’s a reason behind the slight name change.

 

[sobreno]

I think the problem is that people are looking into Mel’s words too much. The issue is that
A. It’s very possible that Mel fought Zel outside of assault Mode
B. 11:30 is a mistranslation. The correct time was 11:00 when Escanor beat Estarossa (confirmed by FKS)
C. Zel and Esta’s powerlevels are confirmed to be 60K and those were the states they got trashed in.
D. Mel saying he had fun implies that he’s holding back, so odds are he’d hold back more against Zeldris, because he’s much weaker

If they could match Escanor, they would’ve done so in the first place. Problem is that Escanor is just too strong and even if they powered up they somehow need to get 40K+ points of power. Chandler’s introduction and powers aren’t just a coincidence. He’s literally the hard counter so that Escanor doesn’t go oneshotting 9/10ths of the plot.

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We have no idea how the fight went/ it could’ve been night and Escanor is a special case in the first place. He might have more to the power than meets the eye plus the grace did choose him for an unknown reason meaning that it was just idly around for 3,000+ years. The best bet would be to probably just wait for an Escanor gaiden or to see how the chapters play out. I doubt that we’ve heard the last of Mael.

Plus in Japanese and in CrunchyRoll’s translation Mael’s power translates to Sun while Escanor’s translates to Sunshine. I’m willing to bet there’s a reason behind the slight name change.

People think that we go into Assault Mode lmao when he is already a monster ( compared to them ) in his Demon Mark mode + his huge sword.
His base ( zero darkness in him ) was at least 60K, imagine that.

 

[Rescorlian]

It feels more like a rant than anything. Yes he is weaker than Meliodas but how does it make him a nerfed version of him? Their abilities are very different.

Of course. There's still no explanation whatsoever as to why Meliodas is three times stronger than his brothers.

 

[sobreno]

Of course. There's still no explanation whatsoever as to why Meliodas is three times stronger than his brothers.

The explanation will come eventually, remember that the obsession of the DK toward Meliodas wasn't even fully and truly explained yet.

But eh, for me, it is normal that the oldest brother is the strongest sibling in the family ( 80% of the time ). I am myself the living example for that.

And it is the case in any House that I know from my country.

 

[Rescorlian]

The explanation will come eventually, remember that the obsession of the DK toward Meliodas wasn't even fully and truly explained yet.

But eh, for me, it is normal that the oldest brother is the strongest sibling in the family ( 80% of the time ). I am myself the living example for that.

And it is the case in any House that I know from my country.

That's because he's older usually. Not sure the logic really works when the demons are already hundred years old

 

[Bøjan]

About the "fun since fighthing my younger brother thing", i think Meliodas fought Zeldris/Estarossa with his demon mark (90K-95K PL i would say).That's the only way it would make sense for one of them to even hurt Meliodas, since in his AM that's pretty much impossible as they are now.And even if Zeldris/Estarossa upgraded their demon mark, i don't see them getting more than 15K PL boost from their 60K PL (while they need at least 60K more to hurt Meliodas).

 

[MrSchmitty7]

People think that we go into Assault Mode lmao when he is already a monster ( compared to them ) in his Demon Mark mode + his huge sword.
His base ( zero darkness in him ) was at least 60K, imagine that.

Seriously anything else against the rest of them is just literal overkill. Plus they must’ve been like children around that time

I mean if it takes a power level greater than 100,000 just to draw blood, past Zeldris or Estarossa would’ve stood no chance against Assault Mode.

 

[Tragicdeath]

I think the problem is that people are looking into Mel’s words too much. The issue is that
A. It’s very possible that Mel fought Zel outside of assault Mode
B. 11:30 is a mistranslation. The correct time was 11:00 when Escanor beat Estarossa (confirmed by FKS)
C. Zel and Esta’s powerlevels are confirmed to be 60K and those were the states they got trashed in.
D. Mel saying he had fun implies that he’s holding back, so odds are he’d hold back more against Zeldris, because he’s much weaker

If they could match Escanor, they would’ve done so in the first place. Problem is that Escanor is just too strong and even if they powered up they somehow need to get 40K+ points of power. Chandler’s introduction and powers aren’t just a coincidence. He’s literally the hard counter so that Escanor doesn’t go oneshotting 9/10ths of the plot.

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We have no idea how the fight went/ it could’ve been night and Escanor is a special case in the first place. He might have more to the power than meets the eye plus the grace did choose him for an unknown reason meaning that it was just idly around for 3,000+ years. The best bet would be to probably just wait for an Escanor gaiden or to see how the chapters play out. I doubt that we’ve heard the last of Mael.

Plus in Japanese and in CrunchyRoll’s translation Mael’s power translates to Sun while Escanor’s translates to Sunshine. I’m willing to bet there’s a reason behind the slight name change.

About the "fun since fighthing my younger brother thing", i think Meliodas fought Zeldris/Estarossa with his demon mark (90K-95K PL i would say).That's the only way it would make sense for one of them to even hurt Meliodas, since in his AM that's pretty much impossible as they are now.And even if Zeldris/Estarossa upgraded their demon mark, i don't see them getting more than 15K PL boost from their 60K PL (while they need at least 60K more to hurt Meliodas).

yeah i think 90k is Meliodas's base form on his prime. So I think that would be the case were he fought Estarossa or Zeldris.

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Plus Mel wasn’t in Assault Mode 24/7. Estarossa has memories of his non assault form from the past odds are he probably would’ve used that form to fight Zel because Assault Mode just seems like overkill with no effort required. But yeah there’s no logical way that Zeldris or Estarossa can gain an extra 40K+ (Excluding suicide indura) to match 11:00ish Escanor. That’s why Zel tried getting Estarossa to run away instead of trying to help. At most I’d say Zel is 74K max

I think we are underestimating Zeldris here. If Meliodas has been known to be a legend in demon clan hes next to it and he is the demon king representative. According to the databook his daily routine was Goddess slaying. And he also has dies irae "days of wrath" similar to Meliodas's enormous amount of hell blaze. Being said, if he were in that PL he doesnt stand a chance against Mael and he couldnt have done doing his daily routine, Goddess slaying. For me it would make sense full powered Zeldris is around 120k. His sword that has a symbol of a Goddess's might be linking of something big on Zeldris full scope of power.

 

[MrSchmitty7]

yeah i think 90k is Meliodas's base form on his prime. So I think that would be the case were he fought Estarossa or Zeldris.

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I think we are underestimating Zeldris here. If Meliodas has been known to be a legend in demon clan hes next to it and he is the demon king representative. According to the databook his daily routine was Goddess slaying. And he also has dies irae "days of wrath" similar to Meliodas's enormous amount of hell blaze. Being said, if he were in that PL he doesnt stand a chance against Mael and he couldnt have done doing his daily routine, Goddess slaying. For me it would make sense full powered Zeldris is around 120k. His sword that has a symbol of a Goddess's might be linking of something big on Zeldris full scope of power.

I mean the only reason Zeldris is the representative is because there’s no one left. The demon king doesn’t even really care for him as evident by any interaction Zeldris has with him and everyone else is weaker and or insane, so not worthy. Mel’s just in a category of his own. Plus the Goddess symbol is on a bunch of armors and stuff besides zeldris’ gear.

 

[Tragicdeath]

I mean the only reason Zeldris is the representative is because there’s no one left. The demon king doesn’t even really care for him as evident by any interaction Zeldris has with him and everyone else is weaker and or insane, so not worthy. Mel’s just in a category of his own. Plus the Goddess symbol is on a bunch of armors and stuff besides zeldris’ gear.

Oh ok. But full powered 74k level compared to 90k base and could go 142k AM is far for me. But yeah Mel is on a different level

 

[MrSchmitty7]

Oh ok. But full powered 74k level compared to 90k base and could go 142k AM is far for me. But yeah Mel is on a different level

Yeah the DKs main problem is that he relies too much on Mel and ignored Zeldris too much. Had Zeldris possibly been given more power he might’ve been more useful

 

[Tragicdeath]

Yeah the DKs main problem is that he relies too much on Mel and ignored Zeldris too much. Had Zeldris possibly been given more power he might’ve been more useful

Ouch truth hurts for Zeldris.lol.

 

[Mythoclast]

He's not far below 114k Escanor.

 

[Bøjan]

He's not far below 114k Escanor.

61k with small Demon Mark
75k max with 2nd Demon Mark
At least for me this makes sense.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Base Zeldoris: 61k
2nd Demon Mark: 70-75k?
Demon King's power: 80-90k

I'd place Zeldris at the tier where he is just as powerful as the masters and equivalent to the strongest Archangel - Ludoshel.

Of course with DK power he would be above said characters.

I feel bad for Zeldris. Over and over he's gotten fucked over by the plot and made irrelevant or seem weak. Hopefully he gets his moment to shine soon by destroying some angels.

 

[Gut's is the man]

Base Zeldoris: 61k
2nd Demon Mark: 70-75k?
Demon King's power: 80-90k

I'd place Zeldris at the tier where he is just as powerful as the masters and equivalent to the strongest Archangel - Ludoshel.

Of course with DK power he would be above said characters.

I feel bad for Zeldris. Over and over he's gotten fucked over by the plot and made irrelevant or seem weak. Hopefully he gets his moment to shine soon by destroying some angels.

He's already stronger then the masters.

also since we've seem both his and Meliodas indura form's I think he'll woop some AA ass.

 

[OtakuFreak]

He's already stronger then the masters.

also since we've seem both his and Meliodas indura form's I think he'll woop some AA ass.

The AA's I say are still roughly equivalent to the masters and Zeldoris. They have graces which haven't been revealed yet, meaning they could have the potential to reach the levels of OP as sunshine (I doubt reaching "the one" but may be somewhere close).

 

[SkyJockey]

Zel’s the reason I have some skepticism going into the Holy War. Nakaba has to finesse his situation or it’s going to suck.

 

[Nudenun]

I mean the only reason Zeldris is the representative is because there’s no one left. The demon king doesn’t even really care for him.

Zeldris was the executioner of the demon clan before meliodas betrayed demons. After betrayal he became representative and 10C leader

 

[Aldan]

People always judge characters powers in this manga before they ever get a fight. It's like how people trashed Cusack constantly saying he was weaker than Chandler and even saying he was the cause of Zeldrs being weaker than Chandler, then once he beat Arthur and showed a true form, they started singing his praises again. Eli and Merlin constantly get this treatment, but just think back to Gilthunder being "weaker" than Geera, Chandler's "defeat" or the Sins not being able to beat Hendrickson. Nakaba holds the best surprises for last.