Fantasy Zeref VS August

[atlantisreturns]

He did, he kept saying that Cana is star level by the energy alone, which I was kindly correcting him that it isn't

Making all sorts of absurd claims that a Star can destroy multi-planets or something, even insinuating that mass-Energy Equivalence is involved with making the comparison of stuffing numerous earths into the sun.

He didn't , he said that you claiming Cana being star level simply because she could harness the energy released by sunlight is false , because he thought you're saying she's star level.

What he was wrong about is that he said solar flares can completely destroy planets , that's a wrong thing that he said. But it's okay , he doesn't need to be a graduate in science to debate here , he needs to have read FT properly , and I can see he hasn't said a single thing wrong about FT scaling here.

And you aren't in any position to ridicule him because he doesn't know science btw , because half of the shit you made up is pure crap.

1) You claiming solar flare is island level is ridiculous because the energy you mentioned is released by solar flare per second , whereas a solar flare can even last for hours. Multiply that energy per second by the time the solar flare lasts and you'll get the total energy output. Your concepts are so wrong that you don't even know that the unit of energy is Joules and not Joules per second lmao.

2) Do you even know when Einstein's equation of Mass Energy Conversion is applicable and when it's not ? Let me tell you a fun fact : the equation isn't E=mc^2 , it's E=∆mc^2. Where ∆m stands for the change in mass of the initial and final phases of radioactive decay.

The process by which the sun releases energy is thermonuclear fusion. The same process which we use in Hydrogen bombs today : Hydrogen atoms combine to form a Helium atom and release residual energy. This energy comes from the loss of mass in the process. ( Fyi , principle of conservation of mass is not true , if you didn't know ) In thermonuclear processes , the change of mass is merely 10% of the original mass. So your equation should be E=mc^2 divided by 10. The calculation you mentioned is only possible in a matter antimatter fusion process , where entirety of mass is converted into energy. That's not what happens in the sun , sun's full mass doesn't get converted to energy. The energy released by the sun in it's lifetime is only 10% of it's full potential , whereas the rest of the mass gets thrown out at the end due to the supernova.

TL,DR: Your calculations are fundamentally wrong and bullshit.

 

[WoWfan]

He didn't , he said that you claiming Cana being star level simply because she could harness the energy released by sunlight is false , because he thought you're saying she's star level.

What he was wrong about is that he said solar flares can completely destroy planets , that's a wrong thing that he said. But it's okay , he doesn't need to be a graduate in science to debate here , he needs to have read FT properly , and I can see he hasn't said a single thing wrong about FT scaling here.

And you aren't in any position to ridicule him because he doesn't know science btw , because half of the shit you made up is pure crap.

1) You claiming solar flare is island level is ridiculous because the energy you mentioned is released by solar flare per second , whereas a solar flare can even last for hours. Multiply that energy per second by the time the solar flare lasts and you'll get the total energy output. Your concepts are so wrong that you don't even know that the unit of energy is Joules and not Joules per second lmao.

2) Do you even know when Einstein's equation of Mass Energy Conversion is applicable and when it's not ? Let me tell you a fun fact : the equation isn't E=mc^2 , it's E=∆mc^2. Where ∆m stands for the change in mass of the initial and final phases of radioactive decay.

The process by which the sun releases energy is thermonuclear fusion. The same process which we use in Hydrogen bombs today : Hydrogen atoms combine to form a Helium atom and release residual energy. This energy comes from the loss of mass in the process. ( Fyi , principle of conservation of mass is not true , if you didn't know ) In thermonuclear processes , the change of mass is merely 10% of the original mass. So your equation should be E=mc^2 divided by 10. The calculation you mentioned is only possible in a matter antimatter fusion process , where entirety of mass is converted into energy. That's not what happens in the sun , sun's full mass doesn't get converted to energy. The energy released by the sun in it's lifetime is only 10% of it's full potential , whereas the rest of the mass gets thrown out at the end due to the supernova. also a Supernova is not measured that way as a SN is around 1 Foe (1^44 Joules)

TL,DR: Your calculations are fundamentally wrong and bullshit.

It is his own fault for not understanding how much energy the sun releases and that is not Star level. And it is simple as it can be in the story, FG harnesses the energy of the sun moon and stars. Axiomus is also guilt of being selective and not looking at the picture as a whole. What we look at is energy per second, not hour, otherwise you get inflated results. Obviously for Axiomus he does not know when Mass-Energy Conversion is applicable by taking the entire mass of the sun to energy. That is what he said, not me, It is plainly obvious as to what the amount of energy the Sun releases over time by watt per second and it is no where near star level as he claims. even with the calculations that you use, it is no real different what the result is by your result is still Solar System level

TL,DR: Stop being an apologetic for someone who clearly does not know what they are talking about.

 

[atlantisreturns]

It is his own fault for not understanding how much energy the sun releases and that is not Star level. And it is simple as it can be in the story, FG harnesses the energy of the sun moon and stars. Axiomus is also guilt of being selective and not looking at the picture as a whole. What we look at is energy per second, not hour, otherwise you get inflated results. Obviously for Axiomus he does not know when Mass-Energy Conversion is applicable by taking the entire mass of the sun to energy. That is what he said, not me, It is plainly obvious as to what the amount of energy the Sun releases over time by watt per second and it is no where near star level as he claims. even with the calculations that you use, it is no real different what the result is by your result is still Solar System level

TL,DR: Stop being an apologetic for someone who clearly does not know what they are talking about.

He said Fairy Glitter "draws power" from the sun , moon and the stars. You said energy of the sun , moon and stars. Your statement was misleading.

And btw FG doesn't use the total energy outputted by the sun in the duration. What it does is it apparently converts the energy from sunlight into magic power and the quantity of energy it can convert depends on the caster's power. Bluenote even said that since Cana was weak Fairy Glitter could not be used to defeat him since she could not draw enough power from sunlight to defeat him. So your multi continental FG is headcanon.

 

[WoWfan]

He said Fairy Glitter "draws power" from the sun , moon and the stars. You said energy of the sun , moon and stars. Your statement was misleading.

And btw FG doesn't use the total energy outputted by the sun in the duration. What it does is it apparently converts the energy from sunlight into magic power and the quantity of energy it can convert depends on the caster's power. Bluenote even said that since Cana was weak Fairy Glitter could not be used to defeat him since she could not draw enough power from sunlight to defeat him. So your multi continental FG is headcanon.

Correction, he said it draws energy from the light of the sun moon and stars, which light is still energy. this is from the official translation. Nor was it stated to be a portion, just the energy/light in general, no it doesn't, it is still light as to various statements and in the chant itself. Cana just did not have the training to wield it, once she did that, she could use it to it's full potential, so it is still Multi-Continent Level and because Magic power exists in nature too that is how it merges with the magic energy in living beings to use magic

 

[Ramen]

Ok I'll end this,

@Axiomus DID YOU SAY CANA IS STAR LEVEL??

 

[Axiomus]

Lolwot?

I don't believe for a second that Cana is actually star level. WoWfan is the one saying that Fairy Glitter uses power equivalent to the sun, stars, and moon. I'm just pointing out that if Cana had the power equivalent to the sun in Fairy Glitter, she would fry the earth. Being caught in a solar flare isn't island level. Just being close enough to the sun for a solar flare to hit you is enough to say bye-bye to all solid matter on earth.

Fairy Glitter is no better than an average nuke from Laxus tbh.

 

[WoWfan]

Lolwot?

I don't believe for a second that Cana is actually star level. WoWfan is the one saying that Fairy Glitter uses power equivalent to the sun, stars, and moon. I'm just pointing out that if Cana had the power equivalent to the sun in Fairy Glitter, she would fry the earth.

Looks who's putting words into one another's mouths now, I said that the energy of the sun is the same as Multi-Continent Level, which the stars and Moon would be irrelevant without far the light reaches.

Again, Size does not matter, the quality of the attack is important.

 

[Axiomus]

Looks who's putting words into one another's mouths now, I said that the energy of the sun is the same as Multi-Continent Level, which the stars and Moon would be irrelevant without far the light reaches.

Again, Size does not matter, the quality of the attack is important.

Fairy Glitter is not multi-continental either.

It's as powerful as Fairy Law, and Fairy Law isn't even country level. Nor can it take out any of the Spriggans. Inb4allSpriggans are multi-continental+

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What he was wrong about is that he said solar flares can completely destroy planets , that's a wrong thing that he said. But it's okay , he doesn't need to be a graduate in science to debate here , he needs to have read FT properly , and I can see he hasn't said a single thing wrong about FT scaling here.

I don't mean to say that a solar flare can reduce a planet to particles, but it would completely scorch the surface of the planet and the temperatures involved would pretty much melt any solid substances found on earth. It wouldn't just do this to one planet. It would do this to multiple planets if they were all caught in it's path. I just checked the definition of "multi-continental" on the OBD, and apparently "multi-continental" in the fandom means surface wiping. So yeah, I guess I was wrong in saying that a solar flare is multi-planetary, going by that definition.

 

[WoWfan]

FL is based on hax, while FG is based on power, difference there as FL affective ness is based on the user

Well at least you come to that conclusion for the second part

 

[Axiomus]

FL is based on hax, while FG is based on power, difference there

Well at least you come to that conclusion for the second part

Literally says that they're equally powerful. The only thing hax about Fairy Law is that it only damages enemies of the user.

 

[WoWfan]

Literally says that they're equally powerful. The only thing hax about Fairy Law is that it only damages enemies of the user.

So you are saying that all of FT are of the same strength?

 

[Axiomus]

So you are saying that all of FT are of the same strength?

Nope. I'm saying Fairy Glitter is basically a Cana-level Fairy Law that works on a single target.

 

[WoWfan]

Nope. I'm saying Fairy Glitter is basically a Cana-level Fairy Law that works on a single target.

Then Jura would be stronger in the MPF, which does not make any sense

 

[grey matter]

Then Jura would be stronger in the MPF, which does not make any sense

Actually no. Jura doesn't have a Fairy Law or Fairy Glitter level spell.

Suppose Fairy Glitter's inherent power is 20x the spell Jura used on the device.
Then Cana's Fairy Glitter would be above Jura's spell in attack power and break the 9999 limiter, EVEN IF Jura is 10x stronger than Cana. Cause the spell is that strong.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Then Jura would be stronger in the MPF, which does not make any sense

Attack power and MP are not the same. That spell exhausts Cana completely , Jura's spell didn't.

 

[grey matter]

Attack power and MP are not the same. That spell exhausts Cana completely , Jura's spell didn't.

Not sure if it exhausted her, don't remember.
But MP certainly isn't attack power. agreed on that

 

[WoWfan]

Attack power and MP are not the same. That spell exhausts Cana completely , Jura's spell didn't.

Yes they are, especially when in a contest where one is suppose to give it their all. especially in recent chapters confirms it

Actually no. Jura doesn't have a Fairy Law or Fairy Glitter level spell.

Suppose Fairy Glitter's inherent power is 20x the spell Jura used on the device.
Then Cana's Fairy Glitter would be above Jura's spell in attack power and break the 9999 limiter, EVEN IF Jura is 10x stronger than Cana. Cause the spell is that strong.

then that means FG did utilize external energy which gives it it's own strength which is many times greater than that of Jura and is not relative to Cana's own magic power.

 

[Axiomus]

Then Jura would be stronger in the MPF, which does not make any sense

No, because Jura's attack was just his MP.

Cana's attack is her MP, plus whatever MP from the light she converts into power.

If Laxus had Fairy Glitter, he would be stronger than Cana using Fairy Glitter. Simply because he could add his own magic power on top of whatever power he gets from the light. It would also be more or less as powerful as if he casted Fairy Law on a single target.

 

[WoWfan]

As long as you understand that, then we have an agreement, still it is from external natural sources

 

[atlantisreturns]

Yes they are, especially when in a contest where one is suppose to give it their all. especially in recent chapters confirms it


then that means FG did utilize external energy which gives it it's own strength which is many times greater than that of Jura and is not relative to Cana's own magic power.

No , they aren't. Otherwise everyone could've used an offensive spell with all their MP to oneshot their opponent. Spriggans could've used all their MP in a spell to destroy everybody from FT.