Round of 16 Zeref vs Invel

[Enima]

Zeref all the way. Didn't he one-shot Hades a while back. Anyway Zeref wasn't as strong as people thought he was but that doesn't mean a fodder could beat him. And using Invel's Ice > Natsu's flame > Death magic is ridiculous. Jacob nearly beat the whole guild on his own does that mean he's stronger than Natsu?. Erza + Gray + Natsu had to run away from Ajeel because Ajeel was stronger than them combined together?, otherwise why would they flee from him. Also I see people saying that Base Natsu> FDKM Natsu so Zeref's feats against FDKM Natsu don't count. Then logically Base Zeref> FH Zeref since Base Zeref has better feats. Zeref was doing pretty well against Natsu till he got FH.

 

[LaGOAT]

Damn, just like my boy @Emperor Spriggan, im surprised this thread is discussed that much. I thought the choice was pretty obvious, and well, i still think it is. Zeref is the obvious winner.

So now Invel can insta freeze Zeref, that's new. I guess Jacob wins against Zeref by clapping his hands. Next time i'll read that Ajeel wins against Zeref because he has no way to deal with Sandworld.
Almost reminiscent of how ridiculous some Mira discussions can be when people argue about her level based on Macro. Sorry to break it to you but Invel ain't insta freezing Zeref.

The reality is that Zeref, even without immortality and despite poor feats, is way above low-medium tier Spriggans. Saying characters like those i mentionned, Ajeel, Bradman, Jacob, or in this case Invel, would stand a chance is preposterous.

Yep they do and I'm serious bro normally I would I agree with u bro but he doesn't get a pass here he doesn't have a good feats that put him above ajeel. He is nienhart tier which is me being generous

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Zeref all the way. Didn't he one-shot Hades a while back. Anyway Zeref wasn't as strong as people thought he was but that doesn't mean a fodder could beat him. And using Invel's Ice > Natsu's flame > Death magic is ridiculous. Jacob nearly beat the whole guild on his own does that mean he's stronger than Natsu?. Erza + Gray + Natsu had to run away from Ajeel because Ajeel was stronger than them combined together?, otherwise why would they flee from him. Also I see people saying that Base Natsu> FDKM Natsu so Zeref's feats against FDKM Natsu don't count. Then logically Base Zeref> FH Zeref since Base Zeref has better feats. Zeref was doing pretty well against Natsu till he got FH.

He oneshotted an exchausted powerless hades with a name spell yep that is very impressive nope no1 is saying invel ice>natsu fire we saying he zeref has no impresssive feats that counter invel ice. Nope Jacob is below natsu he burn his way back and oneshot him. Lol zeref is weaker than fh zeref he no diff exchausted powerless natsu plus DF natsu>base zeref who is weak than base natsu

 

[DRE_DAY]

Time Stop + death magic Bye Bye Invel

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Time Stop + death magic Bye Bye Invel

Zeref's time stop isn't doing anything. He couldn't do it against Gray to stop Gray from freezing him. If Zeref's time stop was that powerful he would have been able to get Fairy Heart easily without the Spriggan and without starting a war. He couldn't do it against Natsu before and after he got fairy heart. What post time-skip feats does Zeref's death magic even have? Beating an exhausted Larcade who wasn't expected it and that's it.

 

[LaGOAT]

Gotta agree with @~Charging Lightning~
Too many people here overreacting. I get that the fight was an absolute travesty and Hiro trashed Zeref to the point of no return, but replace Zeref with anyone else, be it Acnologia, August, Irene, in that situation and they end up the same way he did regardless of hax or pure strength.

I mean what do you think is happening to Acno, if/when he comes back.

Guild power too stronk. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Zeref wins.

Spoiler

He does it sitting down...maybe

No u don't know the difference between all the people u mention and zeref didn't do shit all zeref did is oneshot exchausted powerless characters and think he is the all mighty for do that?? August no diff jellal and his crew tanked gildartz strongest Tank and was toying around with them and lost by committed suicide same with Irene. Don't get me started with acno so plz don't zeref feats ain't comparable those people that u just mention the guy has false hype. And if natsu fights ancologia anco is getting no diff too natsu is god tier in this verse

 

[DRE_DAY]

Yep they do and I'm serious bro normally I would I agree with u bro but he doesn't get a pass here he doesn't have a good feats that put him above ajeel. He is nienhart tier which is me being generous

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He oneshotted an exchausted powerless hades with a name spell yep that is very impressive nope no1 is saying invel ice>natsu fire we saying he zeref has no impresssive feats that counter invel ice. Nope Jacob is below natsu he burn his way back and oneshot him. Lol zeref is weaker than fh zeref he no diff exchausted powerless natsu plus DF natsu>base zeref who is weak than base natsu

Zeref have more than enough impressive feats that is superior than anything Invel have shownn, he went toe to toe with igneel powered Natsu and tanked everything Natsu throw at him, This is a version of Natsu that weild a powwer his body could not sustain for long much like the power he used to defeat FH Zeref. The author nerf both Zeref and Acno, Zeref can also use Time stop, which we saw back in tartaros which he did not used against any version of Natsu, plus the many other types of magic he had said accumulated over 400 years ago.

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Zeref's time stop isn't doing anything. He couldn't do it against Gray to stop Gray from freezing him. If Zeref's time stop was that powerful he would have been able to get Fairy Heart easily without the Spriggan and without starting a war. He couldn't do it against Natsu before and after he got fairy heart. What post time-skip feats does Zeref's death magic even have? Beating an exhausted Larcade who wasn't expected it and that's it.

huh? because he didn't use it on Gray you assumed it's not powerful, the fact is he can stop time whether he chose to use it or not, Gray nor anyone has a answer to time stop, you think the author would kill off his MC just like, why d you think he brough back Ultear to stop Dimaria? you can say that was poor writing, Zeref is more powerful than Dimaria that makes any magic he have mastered more powerful that her, Zeref see that war as game that was already established since very early in the arc, which means he is treating everything as such, why do you think Eileen according to her "broke the game board" she was tired of playing along with Zeref game, because any of these mages could wipe out an entire city if the wanted. to top it all of Zeref can't die why do you think Gray resorted to Iced shelled with lost attributed if he could simple freeze Zeref?

 

[Enima]

Zeref's time stop isn't doing anything. He couldn't do it against Gray to stop Gray from freezing him. If Zeref's time stop was that powerful he would have been able to get Fairy Heart easily without the Spriggan and without starting a war. He couldn't do it against Natsu before and after he got fairy heart. What post time-skip feats does Zeref's death magic even have? Beating an exhausted Larcade who wasn't expected it and that's it.

Damn! I can't believe you created an account just to say Invel is stronger than Zeref


Iced shell alone is far more powerful than anything Invel has and yet Gray had to use lost Iced shell to seal Zeref. Natsu's MP is pretty much stronger than everyone else in the series so you can't compare Natsu with Invel. It's not uncommon for the boss to use his underlings to get things done rather than do it themselves (Hades, Mardgeer)

Zeref turned Irene back to normal. Something she couldn't do in centuries, Zeref achieved in minutes. If this guy could turn a dragon back to a human, he probably wouldn't have much trouble melting Ice.

 

[Arjuna]

Death Magic,Special version of Age Seal,immobility magic,immense speed and power to keep up with IgNatsu,immense magic power even without FH and ruling the Spriggans with iron fist,Zeref easily wins.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Zeref have more than enough impressive feats that is superior than anything Invel have shownn, he went toe to toe with igneel powered Natsu and tanked everything Natsu throw at him, This is a version of Natsu that weild a powwer his body could not sustain for long much like the power he used to defeat FH Zeref. The author nerf both Zeref and Acno, Zeref can also use Time stop, which we saw back in tartaros which he did not used against any version of Natsu, plus the many other types of magic he had said accumulated over 400 years ago.

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huh? because he didn't use it on Gray you assumed it's not powerful, the fact is he can stop time whether he chose to use it or not, Gray nor anyone has a answer to time stop, you think the author would kill off his MC just like, why d you think he brough back Ultear to stop Dimaria? you can say that was poor writing, Zeref is more powerful than Dimaria that makes any magic he have mastered more powerful that her, Zeref see that war as game that was already established since very early in the arc, which means he is treating everything as such, why do you think Eileen according to her "broke the game board" she was tired of playing along with Zeref game, because any of these mages could wipe out an entire city if the wanted. to top it all of Zeref can't die why do you think Gray resorted to Iced shelled with lost attributed if he could simple freeze Zeref?

Once again people are giving Zeref feats he doesn't have. Zeref only managed to time stop fodders so either it doesn't work on high tiers or he's just too stupid to use it. Either way its a non-factor in the fight. Zeref sees the war as a game even after his spriggans got decimated one after another? That just makes him look like an idiot and it certainly wasn't a game for him when he was about to get frozen.

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Damn! I can't believe you created an account just to say Invel is stronger than Zeref


Iced shell alone is far more powerful than anything Invel has and yet Gray had to use lost Iced shell to seal Zeref. Natsu's MP is pretty much stronger than everyone else in the series so you can't compare Natsu with Invel. It's not uncommon for the boss to use his underlings to get things done rather than do it themselves (Hades, Mardgeer)

Zeref turned Irene back to normal. Something she couldn't do in centuries, Zeref achieved in minutes. If this guy could turn a dragon back to a human, he probably wouldn't have much trouble melting Ice.

What proof is there that Invel's armor is weaker than iced shell? When Gray fought Silver, Silver was immune to all ice nearly forcing Gray to used Iced Shell in hope of it freezing him. However, Invel's armor was freezing a much more powerful ice devil slayer, a feat that could only be matched by iced shell. Unless Zeref's ability to change Eileen to human also means he has stronger and hotter flames than base Natsu, I honestly see Invel being able to freeze Zeref for at least a long enough time to ice lock him

 

[DRE_DAY]

Once again people are giving Zeref feats he doesn't have. Zeref only managed to time stop fodders so either it doesn't work on high tiers or he's just too stupid to use it. Either way its a non-factor in the fight. Zeref sees the war as a game even after his spriggans got decimated one after another? That just makes him look like an idiot and it certainly wasn't a game for him when he was about to get frozen.

it seem you don't realized Zeref does not give a shit about the Spriggan 12 and that is why it is all a game to him. secondly i'm not given him power that he doesn't have he clearly can use stop and chose who it affect as seen in tartaros, that is clear as day, as i pointed out again the amount of magic a person has determine how powerful a person magi is, Zeref is clearly stronger than even Eileen and you think his time stop is work on only fodder gtfo

 

[Axiomus]

Zeref mid difficulty. Blasting a hole through Larcade > Trapping Natsu in ice. Natsu also had to resort to using Dragon Force to escape Zeref's black magic. It took way less effort for him to get out of Invel's ice.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

it seem you don't realized Zeref does not give a shit about the Spriggan 12 and that is why it is all a game to him. secondly i'm not given him power that he doesn't have he clearly can use stop and chose who it affect as seen in tartaros, that is clear as day, as i pointed out again the amount of magic a person has determine how powerful a person magi is, Zeref is clearly stronger than even Eileen and you think his time stop is work on only fodder gtfo

I could continue to debate you on this but check the character restrictions. Zeref isn't allowed to use time magic so that debate is pointless

 

[Enima]

Once again people are giving Zeref feats he doesn't have. Zeref only managed to time stop fodders so either it doesn't work on high tiers or he's just too stupid to use it. Either way its a non-factor in the fight. Zeref sees the war as a game even after his spriggans got decimated one after another? That just makes him look like an idiot and it certainly wasn't a game for him when he was about to get frozen.

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What proof is there that Invel's armor is weaker than iced shell? When Gray fought Silver, Silver was immune to all ice nearly forcing Gray to used Iced Shell in hope of it freezing him. However, Invel's armor was freezing a much more powerful ice devil slayer, a feat that could only be matched by iced shell. Unless Zeref's ability to change Eileen to human also means he has stronger and hotter flames than base Natsu, I honestly see Invel being able to freeze Zeref for at least a long enough time to ice lock him

He doesn't need flames hotter than base Natsu. This is like saying Irene and Acnologia would get beaten by Invel since they don't have Fire magic. Zeref's ability to do something a powerful mage couldn't do in 400 years shows his magical prowess. If he has enough power to do that, then melting Invels Ice would be easy as hell.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Zeref low difficulty. Blasting a hole through Larcade > Trapping Natsu in ice. Natsu also had to resort to using Dragon Force to escape Zeref's black magic. It took way less effort for him to get out of Invel's ice.

Larcade could barely stand and wasn't even expecting it. Plus that blast didn't even manage to kill him. I could stab John Cena when he isn't expecting it and after he got run over by a car. Is that impressive?

 

[Tirl]

it seem you don't realized Zeref does not give a shit about the Spriggan 12 and that is why it is all a game to him. secondly i'm not given him power that he doesn't have he clearly can use stop and chose who it affect as seen in tartaros, that is clear as day, as i pointed out again the amount of magic a person has determine how powerful a person magi is, Zeref is clearly stronger than even Eileen and you think his time stop is work on only fodder gtfo

Death Magic,Special version of Age Seal,immobility magic,immense speed and power to keep up with IgNatsu,immense magic power even without FH and ruling the Spriggans with iron fist,Zeref easily wins.

Did you read rules? Timestop in any form is restricted from Zeref.

Zeref md difficulty. Blasting a hole through Larcade > Trapping Natsu in ice. Natsu also had to resort to using Dragon Force to escape Zeref's black magic. It took way less effort for him to get out of Invel's ice.

Blasting a hole that even didn't kill halfdead Lacarde. Yeah, impressed very much.

 

[Invel > Zeref]

He doesn't need flames hotter than base Natsu. This is like saying Irene and Acnologia would get beaten by Invel since they don't have Fire magic. Zeref's ability to do something a powerful mage couldn't do in 400 years shows his magical prowess. If he has enough power to do that, then melting Invels Ice would be easy as hell.

Being able to do one thing doesn't immediately make him able to do another thing completely different. You can say it does but Zeref has no feats to back it up. Invel already managed to freeze two people with more magic then him. Acno can eat magic and Irene can just turn into a dragon after he freezes her so they would both beat him.

 

[Tirl]

He doesn't need flames hotter than base Natsu. This is like saying Irene and Acnologia would get beaten by Invel since they don't have Fire magic. Zeref's ability to do something a powerful mage couldn't do in 400 years shows his magical prowess. If he has enough power to do that, then melting Invels Ice would be easy as hell.

If Invel has enough time to bring demonic armor - he no diff 99% of FT universe. It is like casting infinite Iced Shell.

Acno has magic resist, he survives it. Gray has IDeS, so he too. And maybe also few persons.

 

[DRE_DAY]

I could continue to debate you on this but check the character restrictions. Zeref isn't allowed to use time magic so that debate is pointless

i thought it only said FH Zeref is restricted but what ever

 

[Axiomus]

Did you read rules? Timestop in any form is restricted from Zeref.

Blasting a hole that even didn't kill halfdead Lacarde. Yeah, impressed very much.

Larcade could barely stand and wasn't even expecting it. Plus that blast didn't even manage to kill him. I could stab John Cena when he isn't expecting it and after he got run over by a car. Is that impressive?

Natsu wasn't dead after breaking free out of Invel's ice either. In fact, he wasn't even injured. His scratches were from God Serena's historia and fighting the Alvarez army. Even if Larcade wasn't dead, and he was severely injured. All it took was for Zeref to blast him again, and Larcade was gone. Invel's not taking Zeref's attacks any better than Larcade is.

 

[Tirl]

Being able to do one thing doesn't immediately make him able to do another thing completely different. You can say it does but Zeref has no feats to back it up. Invel already managed to freeze two people with more magic then him. Acno can eat magic and Irene can just turn into a dragon after he freezes her so they would both beat him.

Think Invel no diff Irene by combo insta freeze - ice lock - demonic armor. So like any one noname Acno and without ice slaying magic. But even with ice slaying magic opponent must be stronger to beat him in fight. And so, ice lock still works.