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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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Nah, not a chance. Poison will kill him in the end if he doesn't treat it. Injuries that depends how bad, but if it anything like weapons into his bodies like that scythe that injured, Idk how 'badass' he would be if he looks like a human pin cushion with holes in his bodies. Doubt Oda will make him fight to the money while heavily damage as that would be too BS even if it's Zoro. Being Orochi or King as his final opponent, they shouldn't be underestimate like that, so think he get heal by someone to help keep him healthy enough to fight, but Idk if he be 100% at the festival depending if he continue fighting after this and doesn't rest or get treatment. We have to wait and see in later chapters on how Oda gonna take his injuries and status to the Festival.
 

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Nah, not a chance. Poison will kill him in the end if he doesn't treat it. Injuries that depends how bad, but if it anything like weapons into his bodies like that scythe that injured, Idk how 'badass' he would be if he looks like a human pin cushion with holes in his bodies. Doubt Oda will make him fight to the money while heavily damage as that would be too BS even if it's Zoro. Being Orochi or King as his final opponent, they shouldn't be underestimate like that, so think he get heal by someone to help keep him healthy enough to fight, but Idk if he be 100% at the festival depending if he continue fighting after this and doesn't rest or get treatment. We have to wait and see in later chapters on how Oda gonna take his injuries and status to the Festival.
No matter who he gets paired with and no matter how many fights he gets, he will win regardless. Plot armor is too stronk. 😏
If he dies, he will be the second man after Whitebeard to die standing. :datass
 

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the shoguns name is kurozumi orochi according to japanese mythology the yamata no orochi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamata_no_Orochi
Yamata no Orochi (八岐大蛇 (ヤマタノオロチ), “8-branched giant snake”) or Orochi (大蛇), is a legendary 8-headed and 8-tailed Japanese dragon.
the god of storm susanoo killed the yamata no orochi
we know zoro uses several tornado attacks (tornados are storms) so zoro will defeat/kill the shogun like how susanoo killed yamata no orochi and oda is
oda and the writer of naruto are friends and oda had done shoutouts to naruto before with raizo
and asura reminds me of susanoo plus remember itachi susanoo vs. orochimaru
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The words of Oden’s wife’s curse in the VIZ version are “You are the moon unaware of the dawn / May your purpose be fulfilled / And cast nine shadows on the night woven of 20 years / And you shall know the brilliance of the dawn.” Kyoshiro states in MS that Orochi “saw through it”, whereas in JB/VIZ he “deciphered”/“interpreted” it. Finally, in MS he states he’d like to “cross blades” with the ghosts of the Kozuki Clan, while in JB and VIZ he says that he wants “to play along with him” / “see that one play out”.
so zoro will kill orochi with the asura technique which allows him to use 9 sword style which is fitting for 20 years he was afraid of tokis prophecy about the 9 shadows ( because one of the abilitys of yamata no orochi fruit may make it hard to kill him unless you get all 8 heads simultaneously like the hydra of course the part with asora was from an older version of the theory where I thought the shogun was different from what he is know so zoro may end up killing orochi with one sword style since susanoo used one sword
and he could get a new sword in orochis main sword which will reference The legendary sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi, which came from the tail of Yamata no Orochi and how susanoo had obtained it from the yamata no orochis body (though susanoo in the myths had given it to amateratsu to settle an old grievance) they could change it so zoro keeps the blade along with shusui and sandai kitetsu (given that its the lowest ranking sword) breaks or he can give kusanagi away or he can return shusui
maybe wado ichimonji breaks given its importance to zoro

the reason why I think one of zoros swords will end up breaking during/due to his fight against orochi s because of the fact that when
Susanoo no Mikoto chopped the serpent into small pieces. When he came to the tail, the edge of his sword broke, and he therefore split open the tail and examined it. In the inside there was a sword. This is the sword which is called Kusa-nagi no tsurugi.
so it would fit if orochi breaks one of zoros swords despite in the end losing to him
on zoro beating orochi and taking the sword remember how moriah put his shadow into jigoro of the Wind and kusanagi was a wind sword plus zoro had interest in a fire sword and interested in kinemons techniques.
And in myth kusanagi was used to help the person stop fire that surrounded him “Yamato Takeru was lured onto an open grassland during a hunting expedition by a treacherous warlord. The lord had fiery arrows loosed to ignite the grass and trap Yamato Takeru in the field so that he would burn to death. He also killed the warrior’s horse to prevent his escape. Desperately, Yamato Takeru used the Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi to cut back the grass and remove fuel from the fire, but in doing so, he discovered that the sword enabled him to control the wind and cause it to move in the direction of his swing. Taking advantage of this magic, Yamato Takeru used his other gift, fire strikers, to enlarge the fire in the direction of the lord and his men, and he used the winds controlled by the sword to sweep the blaze toward them. In triumph, Yamato Takeru renamed the sword Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi (“Grasscutter Sword”) to commemorate his narrow escape and victory. “ so it would fit for zoro to take orochis sword to use against king whose epitaph is the wildfire/conflagration which would lead to him being able cut through fire .



zoro would face the king calamity who is a fire swordsman and zoro showed an interest in cutting fire
and the king calamity and queens relationship have been compared to sanji and zoros
and sanji and zoro have faced opponents who had a similar dynamic to them in the past like kaku and jabura,
Some trivia regarding King. In Oda’s One shot, Monsters, where Ryuuma was first introduced, the Strongest Swordsman in the country was called the KING of Swordsmen and Ryuuma ( who looks just like zoro) was traveling to find and defeat him. I won’t spoil who the King of Swordsmen was but short story shorter, Ryuuma ended up acquiring the title of King of Swordsmen by the end. I believe the use of the name King for the Calamity has a double meaning. First it matches the Card theme of the Beast Pirates and second, it’s a reference to Monsters, to say that King is in fact the strongest swordsman currently in Wano. and zoro will fight him
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Ryuma was King all along but he didn't know. 😏
Interesting theory, however, Orochi seems like a weakling and I would be glad if it turns out otherwise to fit more into your theory.
He may have a hybrid form but I am not expecting much even from it for now.

Zoro's interest in cutting fire is indeed something that may link him to King the Wildfire but we still have to see more about the fire thing regarding both King and Hyogoro of Flower.
 
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Can we not talk about spoilers in here, even in spoiler tags?
 

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Bruh how you gunna say dont go moe style and then go moe style, ya self???

:3c
Zoro looks like the wildest card of them all. He, after all, says: "Over the nine mountains, across the eight seas, there is nothing I can not cut. Throughout the world itself."
We gotta wait and see. 😏
 

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Zoro looks like the wildest card of them all. He, after all, says: "Over the nine mountains, across the eight seas, there is nothing I can not cut. Throughout the world itself."
We gotta wait and see. 😏
Actually the only person we have confirmation of that has stopped Kaido is in fact a swordsman (Shanks) so maybe your on to something lol
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The ground work has been laid out for the Monster Trio to strengthen themselves to get to that NEXT LEVEL

Luffy with Haki
Sanji with Raid Suit
Zoro with Black Blades

I hope with a deeper understand of what black blades are capable of, it unlocks an entirely new skill set for Zoro.
 

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I'm hoping Zoro ends up fighting Smoothie during Wano as a warm up for King.
 

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I'm hoping Zoro ends up fighting Smoothie during Wano as a warm up for King.
I doubt it's and if he does, that's too much for Zoro. I know things might be implying Beast Pirates' YC are stronger than Big Mom Pirates' which might be what Oda is doing since stronger enemies in each arc. Though the latter are no joke. If Luffy struggle to beat 2 of them barely, then Zoro won't last long and plus he can't actually hurt a women from all his fights with them, so handicap himself more. Plus even if he did beat Smoothie, it be extreme different for him and be no condition to face Orochi or King afterwards.

We know Zoro will face a high tier as his final fight, but doubt he can do what Luffy can when he can even get injury last chapter by a underling of Orochi's. Just saying on it.
 

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I doubt it's and if he does, that's too much for Zoro. I know things might be implying Beast Pirates' YC are stronger than Big Mom Pirates' which might be what Oda is doing since stronger enemies in each arc. Though the latter are no joke. If Luffy struggle to beat 2 of them barely, then Zoro won't last long and plus he can't actually hurt a women from all his fights with them, so handicap himself more. Plus even if he did beat Smoothie, it be extreme different for him and be no condition to face Orochi or King afterwards.

We know Zoro will face a high tier as his final fight, but doubt he can do what Luffy can when he can even get injury last chapter by a underling of Orochi's. Just saying on it.
oh boy here we go
 

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I doubt it's and if he does, that's too much for Zoro. I know things might be implying Beast Pirates' YC are stronger than Big Mom Pirates' which might be what Oda is doing since stronger enemies in each arc. Though the latter are no joke. If Luffy struggle to beat 2 of them barely, then Zoro won't last long and plus he can't actually hurt a women from all his fights with them, so handicap himself more. Plus even if he did beat Smoothie, it be extreme different for him and be no condition to face Orochi or King afterwards.

We know Zoro will face a high tier as his final fight, but doubt he can do what Luffy can when he can even get injury last chapter by a underling of Orochi's. Just saying on it.
By Zoro's own admission, the Manslayer (I love that Epiphet) was strong. Strong enough to cause Zoro to get serious.

Let's not start another "nails" debate Kingy

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By Zoro's own admission, the Manslayer (I love that Epiphet) was strong. Strong enough to cause Zoro to get serious.

Let's not start another "nails" debate Kingy

:x3:x3:x3
Though get one-shotted from the looks of it. He is probably Headliner lvl as if it was higher position member, they wouldn't go down easy.

What debate? You guys think Zoro can beat Smoothie and then beat Orochi and King from fight to fight? Just saying Luffy struggle with YC to barely win, I don't see Zoro as Luffy in taking two YC lvl and coming out on top. One should be good enough for him in the arc which can be Orochi or King on who I think Zoro's final fight.
 

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Though get one-shotted from the looks of it.
This says nothing about Kamazou's strength because all Zoro's opponents were one-shotted. Hawkins aside, for obvious reasons.
 

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Though get one-shotted from the looks of it. He is probably Headliner lvl as if it was higher position member, they wouldn't go down easy.

What debate? You guys think Zoro can beat Smoothie and then beat Orochi and King from fight to fight? Just saying Luffy struggle with YC to barely win, I don't see Zoro as Luffy in taking two YC lvl and coming out on top. One should be good enough for him in the arc which can be Orochi or King on who I think Zoro's final fight.
What do you mean "You guys?" I never said Zoro can beat 2 YC's lol that was someone else.

Besides fodder, Zoro usually only defeats 1 big enemy an Arc. I dont expect that pattern to change. I agree with you. Zoro shouldn't be able to defeat Smoothie and King unless he has about a week between battles to recover.

Actually, if he fights a YC Commander, it would makes sense for him to grow strong enough to defeat a YC1 in the next fight.
 

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I doubt it's and if he does, that's too much for Zoro. I know things might be implying Beast Pirates' YC are stronger than Big Mom Pirates' which might be what Oda is doing since stronger enemies in each arc. Though the latter are no joke. If Luffy struggle to beat 2 of them barely, then Zoro won't last long and plus he can't actually hurt a women from all his fights with them, so handicap himself more. Plus even if he did beat Smoothie, it be extreme different for him and be no condition to face Orochi or King afterwards.

We know Zoro will face a high tier as his final fight, but doubt he can do what Luffy can when he can even get injury last chapter by a underling of Orochi's. Just saying on it.
Nothing wrong with this post here. Besides Orochi underling got that attack in because Zoro got distracted.

oh boy here we go
What was wrong with that post? Nothing herr to complain about. Seriously

By Zoro's own admission, the Manslayer (I love that Epiphet) was strong. Strong enough to cause Zoro to get serious.

Let's not start another "nails" debate Kingy

:x3:x3:x3
His post is fine besides how he phrases the last part.

Zoro got injured by somebody he was stronger than. Because he was distracted.
 

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This says nothing about Kamazou's strength because all Zoro's opponents were one-shotted. Hawkins aside, for obvious reasons.
I know. Wasn't directing Zoro. Just saying we need a proper fight of Zoro to gouge him how tough he can handle high tiers later. So far he been getting the one-shot victories in NW especially here much. Just want to see more struggle Zoro back.
 

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I know. Wasn't directing Zoro. Just saying we need a proper fight of Zoro to gouge him how tough he can handle high tiers later. So far he been getting the one-shot victories in NW especially here much. Just want to see more struggle Zoro back.
He can struggle and he will for sure but still, all his fights ended in a one shot. He deals too much damage for opponents to handle.
 

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What do you mean "You guys?" I never said Zoro can beat 2 YC's lol that was someone else.

Besides fodder, Zoro usually only defeats 1 big enemy an Arc. I dont expect that pattern to change. I agree with you. Zoro shouldn't be able to defeat Smoothie and King unless he has about a week between battles to recover.

Actually, if he fights a YC Commander, it would makes sense for him to grow strong enough to defeat a YC1 in the next fight.
Sorry for saying it like that. Though just saying to those like Dark on thinking Zoro can defeat 2 YCs in the arc when we know that won't happen.

Agree, but Smoothie isn't a joke that he can easily defeat. If he fights her it be extreme and need days to recover if he was to fight again. Even with the days, I don't see that happening and it takes away hype from BM side if their only YC who came is defeated before final battle. Got be challenging from many sides so don't expect Oda doing that.

Plus Zoro have trouble hurting a woman from past fights with them. If he goes in not trying to cut her, then I don't see him beating Smoothie by holding back.

It best if he does it like Sanji to face someone like a Top 6 Headliner or someone at that lvl to build up more to YC lvl fight like with Orochi or King. That might be pattern Oda might go with here.
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He can struggle and he will for sure but still, all his fights ended in a one shot. He deals too much damage for opponents to handle.
Not really a struggle if enemy is defeated one hit. Look at pre-timeskip fights. It takes more than one technique moves in those opponents. We need more of that in the future here.
 

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Not really a struggle if enemy is defeated one hit. Look at pre-timeskip fights. It takes more than one technique moves in those opponents. We need more of that in the future here.
Morgan defeated in one shot, Cabaji defeated in one shot, Hatchan defeated in one shot, Mr 5 defeated in one shot, Mr 1 defeated in one shot, Braham defeated in one shot, Ohm defeated in one shot, Kaku defeated in one shot, Ryuma defeated in one shot, Hyozou defeated in one shot, Monet defeated without even a single shot 😎 , Pica defeated in one shot and now Kamazou defeated in one shot.
No opponent has survived more than one shot from Zoro. There is cat and mouse play until he gets them but when he does they are out.
 

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Morgan defeated in one shot, Cabaji defeated in one shot, Hatchan defeated in one shot, Mr 5 defeated in one shot, Mr 1 defeated in one shot, Braham defeated in one shot, Ohm defeated in one shot, Kaku defeated in one shot, Ryuma defeated in one shot, Hyozou defeated in one shot, Monet defeated without even a single shot 😎 , Pica defeated in one shot and now Kamazou defeated in one shot.
No opponent has survived more than one shot from Zoro. There is cat and mouse play until he gets them but when he does they are out.
Neither of those you mention in first place were one-shotted. Zoro uses multiple name techniques on most if them. Where you get one shot? Especially Kaku fight was hardly a one-shot fight XD!
 
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