Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[Zehahaha]

I must admit the anime team poorly handled that

If even Zoro in the manga said what the hell are you talking about to Kaido when he used Ashura on him, then why did the anime team do this?

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It's less about deserving and more about ownership. Oden left his kids with a sword each. Enma belonged to Hiyori until she willingly gave it to Zoro in exchange for him returning Shusui to its resting place. Momo has no claim over it. It is Zoro's to do what he wants.

It's difficult to picture a scenario wherein Oda has Zoro spend all this time mastering Enma, only to trade it away for another sword post battle.

The only scenario this can happen is if Oda has the balls to make Zoro connected to Wano (as in being a descendant of Ryuma). He already confirmed in an SBS that Zoro's master is the son of Shimotsuki Kozaburo, and that the latter was the old man who thought Zoro snatch.

Out of all the SHs, I would Zoro is the one whose background is mysterious and not expanded on a lot.

Again it is very unlikely this will happen as we haven't seen any hints whatsoever so far linking Zoro's ancestry to Wano, but it may be something Oda will do post Onigashima raid.

 

[Pirate Queen]

and then law dies.....
Seemed like zoro took the good decision to protect the alliance

Obviously. That's not the point. The point is to stop saying Zoro can stop the attack of 2 yonko. He can't, he stalled it a few seconds and had it not been for Law he would have died.

It's like saying back in Marineford, "Luffy fought 3 Admirals at once!" Well sure okay, he did, but that is removing alot of the surrounding context. Mainly, had it not been for others or the Admirals going straight for the kill Luffy would have died instantly.

The nonsense that Zoro can take the full force of Hakai needs to stop

 

[M3J]

I doubt Oda deep in the animation/storyboard process. Even if he gave the go ahead, there's no telling how he thought the scene would be portrayed.

Normally, when one uses CoC for the first time, it's clearly an action the individual isn't aware of. That's the general intro signs of the ability. He's not stupid, has witnessed the ability first hand several times, and has knowledge about the ability. He and Sanji were the first to recognize Luffy's mastery of it at Fishman Island. So for him to do this, only to later be unsure, I'd say that's a contradiction.

He has it, but the anime did a piss poor job of "teasing" it.

Just because Zoro can identify it in others doesn't mean he can in himself, though. And how many people were affected by his CoC as compared to 50,000, when Luffy walked up and enforced his will? EVen if Zoro didn't feel Luffy's willpower (though I don't see why Luffy would care), it was obvious. Plus, Zoro knows he's scary as hell with his murderous looks and aura, so it might be even harder to add 2 and 2 for him. If I said he used CoC at least once against Monet, unintentionally, would you believe me or would you argue that was just his killing intent/aura?



If Zoro doesn't have CoC, I call bullshit because given his character/personality, it wouldn't make sense to not have CoC.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Yes, I think it's more like what he used against Kaku.

 

[XXGenesis]

So Zoro has CoC but is not aware of that fact as of yet.

His ACoC awakens when he is giving Enma, all of his Haki.

Pretty interesting. I wonder when is Zoro going to realize? & not need Enma to use his CoC Haki.

 

[kkck]

So Zoro has CoC but is not aware of that fact as of yet.

His ACoC awakens when he is giving Enma, all of his Haki.

Pretty interesting. I wonder when is Zoro going to realize? & not need Enma to use his CoC Haki.

At this point it seems like a safe bet that zoro has realized he has conqueror's haki. Though I doubt he has used cladding at this point, the manga doesn't evidence this yet. Even for luffy who had an affinity towards conqueror haki and has been using it for years it took a fair bit of time to get to cladding himself in it. Zoro using cladding as he awakens the skill is a huge stretch. For him this will likely be the next step.

 

[electricmastro]

I must admit the anime team poorly handled that

If even Zoro in the manga said what the hell are you talking about to Kaido when he used Ashura on him, then why did the anime team do this?

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The only scenario this can happen is if Oda has the balls to make Zoro connected to Wano (as in being a descendant of Ryuma). He already confirmed in an SBS that Zoro's master is the son of Shimotsuki Kozaburo, and that the latter was the old man who thought Zoro snatch.

Out of all the SHs, I would Zoro is the one whose background is mysterious and not expanded on a lot.

Again it is very unlikely this will happen as we haven't seen any hints whatsoever so far linking Zoro's ancestry to Wano, but it may be something Oda will do post Onigashima raid.

I mean, Luffy's Conqueror's Haki first displayed on a bull Duval was riding on, so I don't feel like getting angry over it personally if they decide to do a smaller showcase beforehand. lol

 

[XXGenesis]

At this point it seems like a safe bet that zoro has realized he has conqueror's haki. Though I doubt he has used cladding at this point, the manga doesn't evidence this yet. Even for luffy who had an affinity towards conqueror haki and has been using it for years it took a fair bit of time to get to cladding himself in it. Zoro using cladding as he awakens the skill is a huge stretch. For him this will likely be the next step.

Zoro himself still has of yet to have acknowledge this.

When Kaido ask him “You too…” Zoro replies huh

When Zoro gives into Enma, fodder troops are behind him he never turns around, they faint. King says “ You have Kingly ambitions…” Zoro replies What? Reflects on his relationship with Luffy and says Yea in relation to his dream.

The Two instances when Zoro uses CoC he is not aware of it.

How is Zoro using ACoC on Kaido no knowledge; An Advance form ;unaware w/o 1st using basic utility……Enma…..He was going all out on Kaido with Enma…Enma drew out his CoC

2nd Time as I mentioned; Zoro never turns around to address the fodder; When Kings mentions CoC as a King’s ambition, Zoro says “What?” Answers suitably because his goal is undeniable a grandiose ambition…..How did Zoro’s CoC activate & when??….Enma….When Zoro gave all his Haki to Enma…Enma drew out his CoC Haki, the fodder gets K.O..& Zoro is using ACoC on all his blades.

S/O to the popular YouTuber KOL(KingofLighting)

I don’t re-read One Piece chapters too much, I’m have to, because better scans & translation help a lot with hindsight.

ODA will explain how Enma is doing so his own way…but definitely Zoro is not aware.

I mean, Luffy's Conqueror's Haki first displayed on a bull Duval was riding on, so I don't feel like getting angry over it personally if they decide to do a smaller showcase beforehand. lol

It’s bad because, Zoro is not aware he has this Haki. & that showing says otherwise…it’s very contradictory to the story

 

[electricmastro]

It’s bad because, Zoro is not aware he has this Haki. & that showing says otherwise…it’s very contradictory to the story

Again, Luffy wasn’t aware when he used it in the Sabaody arc, Zoro didn’t seem like he was aware either there.

 

[slavkovski]

Zoro himself still has of yet to have acknowledge this.

When Kaido ask him “You too…” Zoro replies huh

When Zoro gives into Enma, fodder troops are behind him he never turns around, they faint. King says “ You have Kingly ambitions…” Zoro replies What? Reflects on his relationship with Luffy and says Yea in relation to his dream.

The Two instances when Zoro uses CoC he is not aware of it.

How is Zoro using ACoC on Kaido no knowledge; An Advance form ;unaware w/o 1st using basic utility……Enma…..He was going all out on Kaido with Enma…Enma drew out his CoC

2nd Time as I mentioned; Zoro never turns around to address the fodder; When Kings mentions CoC as a King’s ambition, Zoro says “What?” Answers suitably because his goal is undeniable a grandiose ambition…..How did Zoro’s CoC activate & when??….Enma….When Zoro gave all his Haki to Enma…Enma drew out his CoC Haki, the fodder gets K.O..& Zoro is using ACoC on all his blades.

S/O to the popular YouTuber KOL(KingofLighting)

I don’t re-read One Piece chapters too much, I’m have to, because better scans & translation help a lot with hindsight.

ODA will explain how Enma is doing so his own way…but definitely Zoro is not aware.



It’s bad because, Zoro is not aware he has this Haki. & that showing says otherwise…it’s very contradictory to the story

I dont think "not aware" is the right term.. At least for me.. I'm kind of suspected that Zoro are in denial about having CoC.. I mean. Wasn't Zoro is the one that said "to many captain will sink the ship?" back then iirc..

And i recently are watching some reaction video in youtube and that channel are currently reacting to the water 7 arc, and i dont even remember or maybe not noticed back then that zoro not only showing that he is also a good leader when he stop luffy from asking ussopp to rejoin the crew but before when the fight happen and right after the fight he already do it..

 

[afromarco005]

A nearly dead Zoro is good for us Zoro fans cause this means one thing. He will get a power up soon. I predict is haki will continue to grow in his current state then he will come back stronger. Hopefully he gets the chance to use CoC to knock out some fodders while resting and then learn how to coat his swords with CoC and go back to the rooftop to help Luffy.

You were right on the money!

 

[XXGenesis]

I dont think "not aware" is the right term.. At least for me.. I'm kind of suspected that Zoro are in denial about having CoC.. I mean. Wasn't Zoro is the one that said "to many captain will sink the ship?" back then iirc..

And i recently are watching some reaction video in youtube and that channel are currently reacting to the water 7 arc, and i dont even remember or maybe not noticed back then that zoro not only showing that he is also a good leader when he stop luffy from asking ussopp to rejoin the crew but before when the fight happen and right after the fight he already do it..

That statement is from WhiteBeard. From his experience in the Rocks Pirates, that had multiple CoC users & Characters who could be their own captain.

Re-read the chapters. He knows his dream is Kingly & grandeur. Luffy figured it out through experience. Zoro doesn’t know how how to use CoC by skill, his weapon is giving access to an ability he isn’t conscious of.

 

[grey matter]

That statement is from WhiteBeard. From his experience in the Rocks Pirates, that had multiple CoC users & Characters who could be their own captain.

Re-read the chapters. He knows his dream is Kingly & grandeur. Luffy figured it out through experience. Zoro doesn’t know how how to use CoC by skill, his weapon is giving access to an ability he isn’t conscious of.

I think he can use t willingly now.

Didn't he use the coating at the exact time, in order to push away King and prevent him from disarming/taking away the swords?

Plus, all three swords seem to have advanced conqueror's

Kinda hard to make the argument that Enma is responsible for both the above cases

 

[XXGenesis]

I think he can use t willingly now.

Didn't he use the coating at the exact time, in order to push away King and prevent him from disarming/taking away the swords?

Plus, all three swords seem to have advanced conqueror's

Kinda hard to make the argument that Enma is responsible for both the above cases

my interpretation and perspective on that scene is Zoro managed to repel King’s blade wit ACoC because of his will. He didn’t want his blades to be taken and repels him…I personally don’t think he can use it as his own skill, it’s just happening because Enma is giving him the ability too……that’s my interpretation, and overall I’m not all in all upset about it. Luffy should be the much better CoC user, I’m just curious as to how long will Zoro be using CoC as a function of Enma & not simply because he knows how; I could even be wrong on my whole take, but I’ll double down on it until proven wrong

 

[grey matter]

my interpretation and perspective on that scene is Zoro managed to repel King’s blade wit ACoC because of his will. He didn’t want his blades to be taken and repels him…I personally don’t think he can use it as his own skill, it’s just happening because Enma is giving him the ability too……that’s my interpretation, and overall I’m not all in all upset about it. Luffy should be the much better CoC user, I’m just curious as to how long will Zoro be using CoC as a function of Enma & not simply because he knows how; I could even be wrong on my whole take, but I’ll double down on it until proven wrong

I would actually prefer if Zoro gets advanced Conqueror's (willing) only by next arc as well.

I would buy your argument if it was just Enma having advanced Conqueror's. But all three swords have them as well.
How can you explain that? Cause Zoro stopped controlling/restricting his haki all together and was letting it flow. Enma isn't the type to share its haki with other swords either

 

[XXGenesis]

I would actually prefer if Zoro gets advanced Conqueror's (willing) only by next arc as well.

I would buy your argument if it was just Enma having advanced Conqueror's. But all three swords have them as well.
How can you explain that? Cause Zoro stopped controlling/restricting his haki all together and was letting it flow. Enma isn't the type to share its haki with other swords either

I started confusing myself with replying to you so many time lol, but here’s my take.
1) Ashura vs Kaido was all Enma
2) Enma’s function is showing/teaching/forcing Zoro to use ACoC.

So yes Zoro himself is using ACoC on his other blades. But he doesn’t know that this is ACoC, or how to knock ppl out with CoC. He’s intuitively using it because of Enma’s function. But he isn’t aware of the skill he’s using…As per say Luffy knows he has CoC, he knows how to k.o ppl with his will, & intuitively realized ACoC is a thing for extra offensive & defense.

 

[grey matter]

I started confusing myself with replying to you so many time lol, but here’s my take.
1) Ashura vs Kaido was all Enma
2) Enma’s function is showing/teaching/forcing Zoro to use ACoC.

So yes Zoro himself is using ACoC on his other blades. But he doesn’t know that this is ACoC, or how to knock ppl out with CoC. He’s intuitively using it because of Enma’s function. But he isn’t aware of the skill he’s using…As per say Luffy knows he has CoC, he knows how to k.o ppl with his will, & intuitively realized ACoC is a thing for extra offensive & defense.

Ok, so he's sensing Enma is taking something other than armament out of him, and he is like : "I'll give this to my other blades as well"

Well. It does seem plausible. I hope you're right, cause Zoro using advanced conqueror's instantly is BS

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Zoro fighting 3.59 billions opponent soon

 

[LaGOAT]

Zoro fighting 3.59 billions opponent soon

On top of that viz media translation 1.11 billion

 

[ShadowHeart]

Zoro fighting 3.59 billions opponent soon

They will never fight like Shanks and Luffy.