Fantasy Zoro v Kaido

[Brandish μ]

Started with Zoro getting shadows from Moria, which then equated to how many he could receive and the only person who recieved shadows prior was Luffy.

Which is where the comparison of will powers came from.

The possibility of Zoro becoming Nightmare Zoro seemed like a fun theory.

See I totally misunderstood... lol.

It's a fun theory. If Luffy's holding 100 then I'd put Zoro below that but not by much, as a sheer guess. In some respect Zoro's unqualified to be close to Luffy due to not showing a skill for King's haki (yet?), which is effectively willpower. On the other hand, Zoro has a similar and extreme level of uncompromising will.

 

[Pirate Queen]

See I totally misunderstood... lol.

It's a fun theory. If Luffy's holding 100 then I'd put Zoro below that but not by much, as a sheer guess. In some respect Zoro's unqualified to be close to Luffy due to not showing a skill for King's haki (yet?), which is effectively willpower. On the other hand, Zoro has a similar and extreme level of uncompromising will.

I put Zoro as taking in half what Luffy could if Luffy could take in 100 and i think im being generous because Zoro doesnt have CoC. But lack of CoC doesnt mean lack of Will power only that you lack the qualities of a king so i wouldnt be surprised if Zoro could take in up to 70 max but then he is useless afterwards.

 

[M3J]

My thoughts originally but i reread the chapters with actual translations and the correct wording implies its hard to take in multiple shadows because your "mind" could start to be controlled by them so it implies " willpower" not "body"

Your willpower has to be strong enough to not be overcome by the various consciousness

Oooh I see, then Zoro could get close to Luffy's number or even match it, then, if the willpower implication is right. I doubt CoC matters, and Zoro's willpower is no less than Luffy's.

 

[Resgia]

Since Kaido's arc is heavily inspired by the legend of SHUTEN DŌJI (https://folklorethursday.com/legends/three-evil-yokai-japan/). I believe that Zoro is going to be the one cutting off his head, however, he won't be defeated yet as in the legend.

 

[hokageji]

If it wasnt clear here, it was cemented at the end of TB when he took Luffy's all and remained conscious.
Also, his will didnt break when Kuina died like Luffy breaking when Ace died.
Luffy's willpower has always been below Zoro.

Zoro can take in more pain and damage than Luffy, pre timeskip. I think that there's very little argument about... However, that image proves nothing about willpower... if anything, his will changed and joined Luffy, so.....

Also, equating Kuina's death with Ace's is just isnt fair. Howe long did Kuina know Zoro? Ace and Luffy's bond was further strengthened with the supposed death of Sabo...

 

[jaymizzo]

Zoro can take in more pain and damage than Luffy, pre timeskip. I think that there's very little argument about... However, that image proves nothing about willpower... if anything, his will changed and joined Luffy, so.....

Fully disagree. Lucci vs Luffy is a clear example of this. Moria vs Luffy is another clear example.

 

[MOYcano 0.23]

1) Zoro received all the damage accumulated in Luffy at the end of Thriller Bark. 2) He grow exponentially the past two years. 3) When Luffy used Conqueror's Haki on Fishman Island, Zoro's comment was about expecting at least as much or a change of captains will be necessary.

Fill the blanks, mates! Also, this is just a silly theory.

 

[hokageji]

Fully disagree. Lucci vs Luffy is a clear example of this. Moria vs Luffy is another clear example.

Well, Zoro absorbed all of Luffys pain and withstood that for hours..

 

[King Moe]

Well, Zoro absorbed all of Luffys pain and withstood that for hours..

Yet got stab down by nerf Kamazou in seconds while Luffy survived hours fighting not just Cracker, but Katakuri too and latter gave him rib shot midway into the fight. Pre-timeskip feats are insufficient if you don't have same feats as before. Unless you see Kamazou being stronger or his attack more than Kuma and what he did. That includes Cracker and Katakuri.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Yet got stab down by nerf Kamazou in seconds while Luffy survived hours fighting not just Cracker, but Katakuri too and latter gave him rib shot midway into the fight. Pre-timeskip feats are insufficient if you don't have same feats as before. Unless you see Kamazou being stronger or his attack more than Kuma and what he did. That includes Cracker and Katakuri.

Luffy was assisted by nami against cracker and the long hours include luffy eats lots of food
Luffy was running away from katakuri via brulee mirror for some times.
Chopper also mentioned that carrot almost killed luffy when luffy accidentally took her food

 

[M3J]

Luffy also wasn't stabbed, and he fainted in the arc as well, twice.

 

[nik87]

Yet got stab down by nerf Kamazou

I made a signature for you. No need to thank me.

 

[King Moe]

I made a signature for you. No need to thank me.

Saltiness is good fit for you. You don't like it being countered each time and just lash out on others.

Take with Oda on what happen. Canon is Canon. Don't get riled up over true events like this as I am not only one who discuss this.

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Luffy also wasn't stabbed, and he fainted in the arc as well, twice.

Luffy was stabbed. Katakuri pierce his rib side. He still kept fighting through that though.

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Luffy was assisted by nami against cracker and the long hours include luffy eats lots of food
Luffy was running away from katakuri via brulee mirror for some times.
Chopper also mentioned that carrot almost killed luffy when luffy accidentally took her food

Still him doing fighting against Cracker. Nami can't handle Cracker in a fight. Luffy was only one doing damage all around. She just help soften the Biscuit Soldiers, but never damage Cracker.

Luffy came back to face him regardless as he only left one time. Idk what you mean.

Also lol using gag moment to mean something? Guess Chopper beats Zoro since he got him in wrestling move and he immediately gave up.

 

[nik87]

Saltiness is good fit for you. You don't like it being countered each time and just lash out on others.
Take with Oda on what happen. Canon is Canon. Don't get riled up over true events like this as I am not only one who discuss this.

Kyoshiro is gone as an option for Zoro. The saltiness isnt coming from Zoro's side. Kaido's head is Zoro's to claim, remember that.

 

[King Moe]

Kyoshiro is gone as an option for Zoro. The saltiness isnt coming from Zoro's side. Kaido's head is Zoro's to claim, remember that.

I wouldn't be so sure. Oda could pull a Bellamy and Kyoshiro will fight against Zoro to the end because of his sinful actions.

Nah your headcannon is though. Zoro get bash away by King, let alone Kaido. He isn't passing through 3-4 guys in one arc. That be too much and illogical especially who they are and Oda isn't like that.

 

[nik87]

I wouldn't be so sure. Oda could pull a Bellamy and Kyoshiro will fight against Zoro to the end because of his sinful actions.
Nah your headcannon is though. Zoro get bash away by King, let alone Kaido. He isn't passing through 3-4 guys in one arc. That be too much and illogical especially who they are and Oda isn't like that.

Good luck with your Bellamy bet and if you think Zoro is losing to any swordsman, you havent been paying attention since last 20 years.
Wano arc is one big salt mine and it didn't even properly start the production yet. I know I will need tons of popcorn for what's to come.

 

[jaymizzo]

Well, Zoro absorbed all of Luffys pain and withstood that for hours..

A bit of Luffys pain made Zoro scream.

Taking the whole thing essentially paralyzed him into one spot. Luffy took all that damage and was not on the verge of death nor screaming in agony. We have seen Luffy power through worse and merely pass out and recover.

Zoro was on the verge of death.

P.S. Bringing up the Kuma scene does not take away from the Lucci fight. That fight was a lot more taxing on Luffy than any other (up until Katakuri). Luffy was on the verge of passing out and even got back up from complete exhaustion. Zoro did not take the blows Luffy took.

 

[nik87]

Taking the whole thing essentially paralyzed him into one spot.

Zoro was on the verge of death.

Zoro was in terrible condition before even taking on Luffy's pain and damage.
Fresh Zoro would call that thing training.

 

[jaymizzo]

Zoro was in terrible condition before even taking on Luffy's pain and damage.
Fresh Zoro would call that thing training.

No, he was not in terrible condition. Zoro did not take Luffys damage in terms of hits etc.

And no, he screamed from a bit of pain and paralyzed from the rest. Luffys merely slept

 

[hokageji]

Jeez, I cant believe i am on the Zoro side of the discussion for once.... anyways,

A bit of Luffys pain made Zoro scream.

Taking the whole thing essentially paralyzed him into one spot. Luffy took all that damage and was not on the verge of death nor screaming in agony. We have seen Luffy power through worse and merely pass out and recover.

Zoro was on the verge of death.

P.S. Bringing up the Kuma scene does not take away from the Lucci fight. That fight was a lot more taxing on Luffy than any other (up until Katakuri). Luffy was on the verge of passing out and even got back up from complete exhaustion. Zoro did not take the blows Luffy took.

Zoro had taken significant damage before absorbing all of Luffy's damage. This is canon and you cannot argue with that....

You are right, Luffy did take a lot of damage during Luci fight, but if Kuma was there to repel all that pain and inflict it in Zoro, who knows what would've happened.... We dont know, and that is the fact....

But with Moria's fight, we know that all of Luffy's damage was taken by Zoro, this is a fact.