Fantasy Zoro vs Marco

[Pirate Queen]

First of all hello everyone!

For now i would still give this fight to Marco since he was fighting both King and Queen at once and still helping others but things would probably be different after Zoro's fight with King.

One thing i have a problem with though is some ppl saying that Yamato is fighting Kaido and Zoro only slashed him and couldn't keep him occupied as long as Yamato so that means Yamato is stronger.

Those 2 fights can't be compared. Zoro had all of his bones broken at that time and still managed to hurt Kaido more than anyone before in that fight. If he was uninjured he could probably stall Kaido for some time. On the other hand Yamato is fighting her father who wants her to be next Shogun, of course Kaido isn't that serious in that fight.

And for those who say that Kaido was still standing after Zoro's attack, what do you think is worse, when someone punches you and you fall to the ground or when someone stabs you and you are still standing? I would say that stab wound is much worse even though you didn't fall from the impact.

I appreciate the analysis but 2 things.

Luffy's attack was done internally. It's not just a "someone punches you" scenario. Zoro's attack didn't seem to cut any vital organs or I would say Zoro's attack was more impactful.

Ans 2, it was Zoro's strongest attack. An all out assault. No one else used their finishing moves on Kaido. At least never got the chance to.

Yamato and Luffy both put on a better showing than Zoro against Kaido, but like you said we got to factor in Zoro's broken bones. But if you wanna do that we can also factor in Zoro using Enma being the only reason he was able to do what he did on the rooftop.

I'm not arguing use of Enma against Marco because I don't think it matters, Marco doesn't have the durability of Kaido. What I think matter is Marco's regeneration being a deciding factor here. I think Zoro can certainly put Marco down.. I do not think Zoro has the power to KEEP Marco down.

Zoro can cut flames but Marco said himself his flames are not normal flames and just cutting his fire shouldn't negate his regeneration.

If Zoro can show consistent powerful attacks equivalent to what he used against Kaido I will outright say Zoro takes this.

If Marco didn't have regeneration, I'd give this to Zoro instantly

 

[XXGenesis]

I give the edge slightly to Marco. Only because he did hold off 2 of Kaido’s strongest Ancient Zoan’s by himself for some time. & his DF ability to recover.

I believe Zoro is stronger in terms of damage output…

 

[Fourofjacks]

Sanji and macro couldn't hold back king and queen. Swap macro with zoro and the difference is huge. We can guess who will win.

Macro was stronger previously, stronger than zoro and ranked closest to yonko. Seems like he has lost his dream / drive and mellowed out. Doesn't seem like he has the killer edge required to win a 1 on 1.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Recent vivre card info shows king's bounty to be 1.39 billions, higher than marco
Zoro definitely beats marco here, since he is fighting the stronger YC

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji and macro couldn't hold back king and queen. Swap macro with zoro and the difference is huge. We can guess who will win.

Macro was stronger previously, stronger than zoro and ranked closest to yonko. Seems like he has lost his dream / drive and mellowed out. Doesn't seem like he has the killer edge required to win a 1 on 1.

You swapped out a weakened Marco who was basically keeping the Performance Floor from falling by holding back 2 Yonko Commanders and healing thousands of troops with his flames with a 100% fresh Zoro.

Of course Zoro is going to make a difference if you swap them out.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Marco wins. Zoro has higher offensive power, but he's not knocking Marco out due to his fruit, And unlike the dinosaur zoans Marco's attacks will be a lot more effective against Zoro due to his lower durability. Marco probably wins very high dif.

 

[A$APBog]

If Yamato and Luffy didn't have DFs they'd be weaklings but sure Zoro is the cheat just because he uses a powerful sword....

I mean, when you say Luffy (who has Future Sight, CoC imbued attacks, hardcore CoA) would be a weakling (litteraly "a person or animal that is physically weak and frail" according to the Oxford Dictionary) without his DF...

How are we supposed to take you seriously ?

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Unlike the two failures i talked with before

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when people already lose the arguments, they resort to ad hominem rather than giving rebuttals

it's cringe bro

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

when people already lose the arguments, they resort to ad hominem rather than giving rebuttals

it's cringe bro

Good job proving my point there

 

[A$APBog]

Good job proving my point there

Litteraly the pot calling the kettle black at this point

 

[Fourofjacks]

You swapped out a weakened Marco who was basically keeping the Performance Floor from falling by holding back 2 Yonko Commanders and healing thousands of troops with his flames with a 100% fresh Zoro.

Of course Zoro is going to make a difference if you swap them out.

Macro hadn't been fighting Queen or healing the floor since chopper applied antidote. Might have missed something but only remember king patrolling up in the sky mostly. Queen had been toying with chopper til sanji came. So really only king macro had to hold off - if king even was on the live floor. Haven't watched anime so maybe there was more there.

Never know for certain how drained he was, can only guess he was still moving when sanji arrived. Marco had enough to get back up for one last move... If that was Zoro, or typical character really wanting to win - that's where they are at their strongest .

 

[LadyVados]

Still waiting for the proof that current Zoro > current Yamato.

Unlike Oden and Zoro, you can't use scarring to compare Luffy/Yamato to Zoro to denote their power levels in relation to one another.




Point is his sword specifically lets him scar Kaido yet it doesn't push him above people like Luffy who haven't scarred him. So saying he scarred Kaido and Yamato did not so he's stronger is just a headcanon. The scar was also inferior to Oden's and Zoro himself lamented that he couldn't even push him down with it so spar us, please. lol

Zoro scarring Kaido wasn't due to him having more powerful attacks than Luffy so the argument that scarring Kaido to a lesser extent than Oden did means he's more than Yamato has no foundation in canon. He may very well be stronger than Yamato but nothing shows it thus far. Yamato is not a swordsman so the lack of scarring means nothing.

Narrative wise, Yamato is clashing with Kaido 1 vs 1 for a longer period of time than anyone except maybe Luffy and Yamato doesn't have a weapon that specifically allows for scarring Kaido which is better treatment that Zoro being part of a team fighting Kaido and then getting sent downstairs when he admitted that his best was not good enough.



Lol you're the one not getting it, obviously.


The point is that his sword has the specific characteristics needed to scar Kaido but isn't enough to place him stronger than Luffy who has not scarred Kaido. Therefore using his scarring Kaido to prove he's superior to Yamato rn makes little sense.

And this same sword isn't one shotting King rn so the argument that he'd easily handle Marco who actually has regeneration, with this sword, is laughable.

If Zoro extreme diffs King in the future then the argument that current Zoro > Marco would be laughable (more laughable).

Enma isn’t some special sword that only works on Kaido.

It makes him stronger against everyone

 

[AmitDS]

Enma isn’t some special sword that only works on Kaido.

It makes him stronger against everyone

It's a special swords that has properties that help against Kaido though. I never said it fails to hurt other people. Lol if the Kaido feat is so amazing and seals the deal vs other people then why did this happen with Enma i.e. why is he struggling against King, a YC1, and did about as much damage as Sanji did to hybrid Queen?

 

[LadyVados]

It's a special swords that has properties that help against Kaido though. I never said it fails to hurt other people. Lol if the Kaido feat is so amazing and seals the deal vs other people then why did this happen with Enma i.e. why is he struggling against King, a YC1, and did about as much damage as Sanji did to hybrid Queen?

YC1s are strong people.

Look at Marco who managed to hold off Kizaru and Big Mom, Blocked Akainu and sent Aokiji flying.

If Marco can tank Kizaru and Akainu’s attacks then King tanking Zoro’s attacks is not anything to be ashamed of.

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I mean, when you say Luffy (who has Future Sight, CoC imbued attacks, hardcore CoA) would be a weakling (litteraly "a person or animal that is physically weak and frail" according to the Oxford Dictionary) without his DF...

I have a theory based on WsW’s conversation with Jinbe that the Gomu Gomu no mi gives the person who eats it special powers like CoC and the Voice of all things maybe it was the reason Luffy was able to develop future sight and ryou too.

 

[AmitDS]

YC1s are strong people.

Look at Marco who managed to hold off Kizaru and Big Mom, Blocked Akainu and sent Aokiji flying.

If Marco can tank Kizaru and Akainu’s attacks then King tanking Zoro’s attacks is not anything to be ashamed of.

Who said it's anything to be ashamed of? Point is, pretending that Zoro's feats against Kaido because of how his sword works with his haki & Oden's presence or whatever that is, means his attack power is insanely buffed is illogical. Zoro scarring Kaido with Enma and Asura to a lesser extent than Oden doesn't translate to Zoro having amazing attack power to easily beat a YC1 as we're seeing right now. His purgatory onigiri with Enma couldn't harm King anymore than Sanji's Mouton Shot hurt Hybrid Queen.

And Marco didn't hold off Big Mom. His fire was a counter to hers and the minute that was nullified she grabbed him and he was in danger.

Neither Marco nor King are able to actually hold off emperors.

There is no evidence that current Zoro is stronger than or will beat Marco in a fight since Marco is portrayed as stronger than King even if it's marginally and he is hyped as admiral leveled in the databooks.

That's all I'm saying on this matter.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Who said it's anything to be ashamed of? Point is, pretending that Zoro's feats against Kaido because of how his sword works with his haki & Oden's presence or whatever that is, means his attack power is insanely buffed is illogical. Zoro scarring Kaido with Enma and Asura to a lesser extent than Oden did doesn't translate to Zoro having amazing attack power to easily beat a YC1 as we're seeing right now. His purgatory onigiri with Enma couldn't harm King anymore than Sanji's Mouton Shot hurt Hybrid Queen.

And Marco didn't hike off Big Mom. His fire was a counter to hers and the minute that was nullified she grabbed him and he was in danger.

Neither Marco nor King are able to actually hold off emperors.

There is no evidence that current Zoro is stronger than or will beat Marco in a fight since Marco is portrayed as stronger than King even if it's marginally and he is hyped as admiral leveled in the databooks.

That's all I'm saying on this matter.

the scar was against hybrid kaido though, which is his strongest form.
Bounty doesn't lie. King>Marco
Zoro beats marco

 

[AmitDS]

the scar was against hybrid kaido though, which is his strongest form.
Bounty doesn't lie. King>Marco
Zoro beats marco

You have no evidence that his hybrid form is more durable than his Zoan form in terms of his scales when he's not using haki. Also, context is key. Kaido patronized Zoro for his scar while he's traumatized by Oden's which means to him Oden's feat is grander. No one can logically argue that Zoro and by ext. King is above Prime Oden.

Bounty doesn't lie? Then Sanji > Zoro I guess. Marco has better feats and hype than King. King was fighting an exhausted Marco longer than the R5 were fighting Kaido, partly with Queen and he still wasn't down. Everyone knows that Kaido's crew are more brutal and dangerous than the other emperors' hence their inflated bounty but suddenly, because he's facing Zoro that has gone out the window. Kaido's top commander will never be stronger than Whitebeard's or Roger's. That's common sense. He wouldn't even be stronger than Big Mom's considering that Big Mom and Kaido and their crews are portrayed as even.

We all know why you guys want King to be stronger than Marco. We've called it months ago.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

You have no evidence that his hybrid form is more durable than his Zoan form in terms of his scales when he's not using haki. Also, context is key. Kaido patronized Zoro for his scar while he's traumatized by Oden's which means to him Oden's feat is grander. No one can logically argue that Zoro and by ext. King is above Prime Oden.

Bounty doesn't lie? Then Sanji > Zoro I guess. Marco has better feats and hype than King. King was fighting an exhausted Marco longer than the R5 were fighting Kaido, partly with Queen and he still wasn't down. Everyone knows that Kaido's crew are more brutal and dangerous than the other emperors' hence their inflated bounty but suddenly, because he's facing Zoro that has gone out the window. Kaido's top commander will never be stronger than Whitebeard's or Roger's. That's common sense. He wouldn't even be stronger than Big Mom's considering that Big Mom and Kaido and their crews are portrayed as even.

We all know why you guys want King to be stronger than Marco. We've called it months ago.

landing hits on hybrid is much more difficult especially for kaido because he's much faster, so it is more impressive for zoro to give permanent scar to kaido in the hybrid form.
Sanji bounty is based on germa family, even sanji himself said that.
It's not longer than rooftop fight, chopper intervened against queen for a while. Read back the manga before you post here.
If being "more brutal" somehow is the only reason for them to have higher bounty, then why is kaido's bounty below whitebeard's? Your point fails. Next.

 

[AmitDS]

landing hits on hybrid is much more difficult especially for kaido because he's much faster, so it is more impressive for zoro to give permanent scar to kaido in the hybrid form.

Go tell that to Kaido then because he didn't react to Zoro the way he still reacts to Oden till this day. lol

Sanji bounty is based on germa family, even sanji himself said that.

You're the one who said bounty = strength, not me. See? I can ignore context as well.

It's not longer than rooftop fight, chopper intervened against queen for a while. Read back the manga before you post here.

Funny enough actually Marco was fighting King and/or Queen longer than the rooftop fight vs Kaido and Big Mom. He did it from chapter 1000 to around 1022. I never said he was fighting both of them together for the entire time so idk why you're acting like I said King & Queen vs Marco was from chapters 1000 -1022.

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You can't deny however that he was facing them both for a while and he was exhausted doing it and continued 2 vs 1 even after he was noted to be exhausted and this was before he was in a 1 vs 1 with King and ran out of stamina due to all of that. That fails to prove that King > Marco, in fact it proves the opposite.

Marco was trying to hold off Big Mom before using is flames on the majority of the alliance before fighting King and Queen for a while when he got exhausted, and then he was fighting King. How can anyone say that accurately shows that Marco < King?

Also, Marco initially started fighting King & Queen in chapter 1000 and stopped presumably fighting King, before 1022 although he blocked Zoro and co. from King's fire in 1022 as well.

The R5 united in chapter 1000 and Luffy was alone vs Kaido from chapter 1010 and was shown defeated in chapter 1013 so...

Maybe you should read back before you post here? Advice.

If being "more brutal" somehow is the only reason for them to have higher bounty, then why is kaido's bounty below whitebeard's? Your point fails. Next.

Because WB was the world's strongest pirate/man, the one closest to being PK and was fighting evenly with Roger in his prime. And Marco hasn't been active since losing to BB.

Why would a peaceful retired Marco need to have a bounty higher than active King on the most savage emperor crew to prove he's stronger? This is especially funny since his bounty is higher than Queen's who is King's rival and he's not that far behind King even with all this.

So... bounty = strength or???

Lol you still can't explain why Marco was able to fight off King and Queen while exhausted and still fight King for a while afterwards & this means King > Marco.

Come back when you have proof that King is stronger than Marco when they both are at full power.

 

[A$APBog]

the scar was against hybrid kaido though, which is his strongest form.
Bounty doesn't lie. King>Marco
Zoro beats marco

Bounty doesn't lie kekw.

Didn't know that 320M was over 1.374B...

In fact, you can say the same for Luffy v. Crocodile, Luffy v. Arlong, Zoro v. Daz Bones etc.

 

[Crimson Ice]

the scar was against hybrid kaido though, which is his strongest form.
Bounty doesn't lie. King>Marco
Zoro beats marco

I guess Hawakins = Zoro, Sanji>Zoro, Kidd>Zoro, Perospero>Zoro etc. It's 2020 and people are using bounty to determine strength LMAO. I thought the community stopped doing that years ago.