You can disagree with my statements. It's fair game. I still don't see how Jellal can beat Erza for now.
It was about address the ">>" part. Nothing suggests she's a tier or more above Jellal.
Like I said before, if you believe Erza wins, maybe, I can see where you're coming from. I'm just saying she isn't doing so without a close fight even if she wins.
You think it's normal he struggled against people a little above Pre Second Origin Erza and you still think he can beat her since she had unlocked it ?
Max was >= Natsu pre Second Origin (without LFD). This Natsu ridiculously defeated Max in the tavern showing that the gap returned at they were before Acno appeared in Tenrô. You can put Macao, Jet, Droy and Wakaba to help Max vs Natsu. He will one shot them while laughing to them.
He struggled against 4 mages, 2 who were strong enough to mid-high diff pre SO Erza.
Pre SO Erza was above Kagura and Minerva, both of who are above post SO base Natsu, so that isn't some irrelevant power level. Erza was already at a level where she was decently powerful even without the SO boost.
Also, numbers game is a thing.
x792 Erza was defeated by a 3v1 from Ikaruga + Azuma + Kyouka, tho she was individually >> them
x791 Jellal was >= Jura, who was > x791 Erza. So yea, he's above x791 Erza.
Now, don't get hung-up here lol. Point is, x791 Jellal was certainly x791 Laxus tier. If you think Erza was that level in x791, sure go ahead lol, but let's not discuss that here.
He was shut down by the blast. Sure he inhaled many water as he fall inside with pressure and stayed lock for some time. But do you think, if he was still conscious, he couldn't get away the anckor and back up to fight the Spriggans ? You underestimates him more than I do.
I'm just saying he became unconscious because of water he ingested from the force.
Answer this to me in good faith:
If he was really injured by that blast, why didn't he show a single scratch from that, or signs of any injury from that? Why was sucking out water all that was required to get him back to as good as new?
If it really did enough damage to "one shot" him, wouldn't his injuries have shown? Wouldn't he have needed healing rather than sucking out water to be back to full health and continue fighting?
See when Neinhart or Jacob was one shotted because of damage they took. Them being battered and beaten was clearly shown in their demeanor.
Yes, for this one, I agree.
Ok, then it isn't a -ve for Jellal
Put 10 Jellals or 10 Gildarts (without mech arm) against August, and August still wins.
Still don't know why people dislike it.
He enraged after seeing Erza badly heart and one shot Neinheart. In the Games, he explicitely said that he was galvanized to fight for Fairy Tail.
He countered Acnologia to save and protect Erza and Wendy and did a good prestation for a while.
Same for Gears : without Ultear he as doom to fail. She returned him at his mind and told him to live for her as he is free now. The OS is the explanation of his feelings for Erza.
For me, POF is very specific. It isn't about "getting serious", "getting angry" etc. Motivations and feelings can get someone to perform better, even in IRL
It's about doing stuff that's normally impossible. Clear examples of POF IMO:
- Erza overwhelming Kyouka without any sense, while normal Erza <= Kyouka in stats
- Natsu's "savage guild flames" against FH Zeref
- Erza jumping up like 100m into the sky, destroying a meteor and one shotting dragon Eileen with 99% of her bones broken.
- Natsu going DF against Mard without any external powers (this is first time he went DF on his own)
- Natsu, Gajeel and Wendy getting "power from tomorrow" to beat machine-dragon of King Faust in Edolas arc
Related:
- Gray using "Darkness" powers. Not really POF, but rage which is like a counterpart to friendship power
- Mira going SS against Freed for first time in 3 years
I'm not going to use POF as an argument for explaining what all can be explained otherwise. Or else more than 90% fight in FT is POF, since emotions are involved in one way or another.
Also, against Metro, it wasn't POF.
Metro uses negative emotions to freeze somebody in time, or something.
All Ultear did was made him get over his guilt, which he did by pushing it onto Seigrain (which made no sense since Seigrain was controlled by Jellal lol). Asspull? Yeah. POF? No