Luffy vs. Zoro! Who would win?

[cheaptrick]

your last comment just gave me as much info as i needed to get from you ^__^

re read the begining of zoro vs kaku fight if you weant to see how zoro could deal with kaku's speed

reread a few sbs as well
bounty doesn't mean strength
or luffy would have never been able to beat crocodile with your logic 30mil vs 81mil?

reread the whole tb arc and maybe watch the anime too to get a better idea on that

may i suggest you as well to read w7 and tb arcs again? against kaku, zoro never matched his speed; it's true that he managed to parry his attacks and that he's a much better swordman, but that's it; he never really intercepted kaku's soru like luffy did once with blueno for example (without even using gears).. that's why i'm saying zoro's reflexes may not have fully caught up with kaku's speed (because even if he was able to sense kaku's presence as soon as he reappeared he still couldn't move at that speed).
about tb i guess there's no point wasting time explaining, just look at zoro at the end of the fight with odz, does he look all right to you?
when i talked about the bounties i was referring just to zoro and luffy's ones... yea i think luffy is almost twice stronger than zoro atm.. damn i ended up thinking like a db reader, well just read it like "imo luffy may defeat zoro without too much trouble".
p.s. lucci is much stronger and faster than kaku and luffy is even faster than lucci (and he can use that speed to do long ranged attack too)
p.p.s. although i watch the anime, i only use the manga as reference
cya;-)

 

[neomaster121]

may i suggest you as well to read w7 and tb arcs again? against kaku, zoro never matched his speed; it's true that he managed to parry his attacks and that he's a much better swordman, but that's it; he never really intercepted kaku's soru like luffy did once with blueno for example (without even using gears).. that's why i'm saying zoro's reflexes may not have fully caught up with kaku's speed (because even if he was able to sense kaku's presence as soon as he reappeared he still couldn't move at that speed).
about tb i guess there's no point wasting time explaining, just look at zoro at the end of the fight with odz, does he look all right to you?
when i talked about the bounties i was referring just to zoro and luffy's ones... yea i think luffy is almost twice stronger than zoro atm.. damn i ended up thinking like a db reader, well just read it like "imo luffy may defeat zoro without too much trouble".
p.s. lucci is much stronger and faster than kaku and luffy is even faster than lucci (and he can use that speed to do long ranged attack too)
p.p.s. although i watch the anime, i only use the manga as reference
cya;-)

ok i'll show u a few direct images
kaku dissappears Zoro blocks his attack by reacting
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/06/
oh Zoro can't see kaku but moves his sword with enough speed even though kaku's using Soru blocking the incoming attack
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/401/08/

Zoro reactions are enough to help him defend against Soru so i don't

the end of fight with odz
the fight luffy needed nightmere mode plus the entire help of his crew to defeat the guy?

u only use manga references gd then start using them to make your points otherwise u opinion means little to me

you guys think speed such an issue
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/467/03/
Zoro attacks so fast franky completly shocked about the time of which Zoro used the technique a technique used while dodging an attack

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/467/06/
this attack is a speed attack inself where Zoro reappears after a charge behind his opponent

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/04/
deflects a direct punch from a being far larger than giant with almost no effort at all
look at the previous page he was day dreaming about his swords weight

long range attacks
no problem when u can do this
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/05/
huge yet still an incomplete attack due to lack of mastery oo i wonder what would happen if it was fully mastered

Zoro durability and quick recovery
he was knocked out serveral times but still stands up ready to fight
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/474/05/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/480/15/
Luffy unable to defeat odz all by himself
Zoro and the crew have quite a high amount of involvement in the end
Wait Luffy needed to be carried by brookes before he could deliver his final attack

Zoro survives n stays concious for at least a few hours while the crew rested after taking all of luffy's pain from gears nightmere mode hits inflicted on him etc plus his own pain
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/485/19/

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/510/17/
Zoro's aura has increased from only effecting his oponent (databooko says this in the description) to effecting those watching the fight
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/510/18/
make of this what you will but either Zoro cut him 9 tails in a split second or Zoro's illusions did some cutting

just a bit of manga envidence to just prove a few things about Zoro's speed and stregnth and endurablity of which i believe is higher than luffy's level

 

[DutchPhoenix]

stregnth and endurablity for sure
movement speed not
attack speed sure thing

and zoro is great at dodging,

in part 223 where he fights vs luffy (anime) he dodges gatling easy
and in the fight vs kuma he dodged those air cannons easy aswell

 

[Razh]

Wow, Dutch, that arguments really made me change my opinnion. Not

Oh and I wasn't aware that we're taking anime fillers into consideration now. Zoro dodging Luffy's gatling in a filler arc really means something in a manga discussion.

Other than that, it was pretty one sided.

Let me analyze Luffy in your style.
-strenght and endurability for sure
-movement speed
-attacks speed sure thing
-and luffy is great at dodging

-in episode xxx he pawned the shit out of his oponent xxx
-in the fight against Lucci he dodged those Rankyakus easy aswell

Btw, You couldn't really say that Zoro was dodging air cannons easily. It did require some effort not to get hit.

 

[neomaster121]

Wow, Dutch, that arguments really made me change my opinnion. Not

Oh and I wasn't aware that we're taking anime fillers into consideration now. Zoro dodging Luffy's gatling in a filler arc really means something in a manga discussion.

Other than that, it was pretty one sided.

Let me analyze Luffy in your style.
-strenght and endurability for sure
-movement speed
-attacks speed sure thing
-and luffy is great at dodging

-in episode xxx he pawned the shit out of his oponent xxx
-in the fight against Lucci he dodged those Rankyakus easy aswell

Btw, You couldn't really say that Zoro was dodging air cannons easily. It did require some effort not to get hit.

just goign to comment about ur last one
he was dodging dodging all of those air cannons which were moving at a high speed
in a completly injured state
imagine how he could dodge them if he was fully recovered

 

[Tenryuken]

Razh, you are basing Luffy's superiority over Zoro due to his DF.
But everybody knows that Luffy's DF is ineffectif against Swords, Cutting and Sharp objects.

 

[Akainu]

just out of curiosity: are you forgetting that zoro is a human after all? sure he can often deflect Luffys blows with his swords, but that won't work all the time.
--> gomu gomu no mi = effective against human bodies

the question should be if he could endure it long enough to get a chance to counterstrike Luffy - and even then the match wouldn't be over <.<

 

[Razh]

just goign to comment about ur last one
he was dodging dodging all of those air cannons which were moving at a high speed
in a completly injured state
imagine how he could dodge them if he was fully recovered

He would have dodged them just the same. In the entire fight, he didn't shown any lesser movement speed than usual.

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Razh, you are basing Luffy's superiority over Zoro due to his DF.
But everybody knows that Luffy's DF is ineffectif against Swords, Cutting and Sharp objects.

I never said that Luffy is superior. Just trying to say that he is a little stronger than Zoro. And it's not only his DF.
On the other note, Zoro is almost my favorite character in One Piece.

And your second sentence is phrased incorrectly. He's vulnerable to swords, cutting and sharp objects, just like any normal man.

 

[DutchPhoenix]

well in luffy vs zoro

i could see zoro dodging luffy's attacks
but im not sure how good luffy handles oni giri

 

[bittman]

On that note DutchPhoenix: I wonder how many times in a battle Luffy would look around and go "WHERE!? WHERES THE FOOOOOOOD!?!?" (since Zoro's attacks are all puns on food)

So, Luffy would not handle Onigiri at all because he'll be distracted looking for rice balls.

 

[Tenryuken]

Luffy can't endure as much attaks from Zoro while Zoro can endure a lot of Luffy's.

 

[Razh]

Luffy can't endure as much attaks from Zoro while Zoro can endure a lot of Luffy's.

And you know that for a fact?

I don't think Zoro would take a bazooka too kindly. Or let alone jet gatling or some other Gear 2nd move.
How about some reasonable argument based on something we have seen instead?
Luffy with one attack devastated guys who used body hardening technique.

 

[Tenryuken]

And you know that for a fact?

I don't think Zoro would take a bazooka too kindly. Or let alone jet gatling or some other Gear 2nd move.
How about some reasonable argument based on something we have seen instead?
Luffy with one attack devastated guys who used body hardening technique.

You know that Zoro can survive those moves but Luffy on the other hand can't survive any of Zoro's top moves like Lion's Song, Tiger Slash, Demon Slash, Dragon Slash and that Bull tech.

 

[camil222]

are you guys kidding like luffy is obvioulsy stronger than zoro. luffy knows that zoros swords will cut through him, plus do you think hes stupid enough to let him get cut by it. like come on guys like luffy is so much stronger than zoro. he was able to defeat crocodile, when really luffy had no chance against him. if he could defeat him and not zoro, well theres something wrong here. maybe zoros training everyday, but luffy just has incredible superhuman strenght, like maybe hes not training now, well he did for gear 2 and 3, but when he was young just look at how he got raised by garp. luffy might seem stupid sometimes, but when it comes to fighting seriously hes unbeatable, like thats what odas trying to tell us. no matter what oponent you put throught his path, luffy will defeat him. well that makes no sense cause luffy got his ass kicked by aokiji and kuma, tho i think he can manage to defeat them now that he has gears.

 

[Tenryuken]

Camil222, your post doesn't make sense.

are you guys kidding like luffy is obvioulsy stronger than zoro.

No, he isn't.

luffy knows that zoros swords will cut through him, plus do you think hes stupid enough to let him get cut by it.

But of course, Zoro is stupid enough to let Luffy punch him.

like come on guys like luffy is so much stronger than zoro. he was able to defeat crocodile

But we also know that moised swords CAN'T cut Croc.
Please, tell me how Luffy would have defeat Daz Bones?

luffy just has incredible superhuman strenght

But not Zoro.

just look at how he got raised by garp.

But Zoro NEVER trained when he was young.

luffy got his ass kicked by aokiji and kuma, tho i think he can manage to defeat them now that he has gears.

He had the gears at SA.

 

[kkck]

There was already a fight between zoro and luffy and while none of the showed superiority, it was shown that luffy can hold his ground againts a sword user. Luffy is rubber, but that doesnt make him any more vulnerable than anyone else to swords (as some have implied). If anything he is a little less vulnerable than normal people to weapons.
Luffy is tha captain of his crew, he always fights the strongest enemy; while I consider luffy and zoro to be roughly on the same tier, luffy should in the worst concievable case scenario be a little stronger or equal to luffy but by no means stronger.
Also, luffy has things which zoro doesnt have which are plot, feats (luffy always defeats stronger guys than zoro) and a body which is more resistant to damage.

 

[neomaster121]

There was already a fight between zoro and luffy and while none of the showed superiority, it was shown that luffy can hold his ground againts a sword user. Luffy is rubber, but that doesnt make him any more vulnerable than anyone else to swords (as some have implied). If anything he is a little less vulnerable than normal people to weapons.
Luffy is tha captain of his crew, he always fights the strongest enemy; while I consider luffy and zoro to be roughly on the same tier, luffy should in the worst concievable case scenario be a little stronger or equal to luffy but by no means stronger.
Also, luffy has things which zoro doesnt have which are plot, feats (luffy always defeats stronger guys than zoro) and a body which is more resistant to damage.

but as the story progresses oda seems to moving towards luffy fighting the main enemy but also an extra main enemy

tb was a prime example
if they knew kuma was there

Luffy vs moria
Zoro vs odz or kuma
Sanji fights odz with help of crew

thats if the enemy attacked at the same time
now in that case the power differences of moria kuma and odz isn't a huge mega difference in power arguably kuma is stronger than moria

So i don't think using the luffy always fights stronger opponents

Luffy would have no chance against mr 1 who turns any part of his body to blades
how would luffy punch through metal blades without getting cut?

no ones saying Zoro is stronger than luffy here (at least i don't think)
i for one think it would end a tie

 

[monkey D luffy]

im with Razh zoro cannot defeat luffy, there is a reason why luffy is the captain and always fight the strongest people, sure zoro has a stronger body but luffy's attacks are way stronger and luffy is a lot more agile then zoro without even using gears. when he uses gears luffy can take heads on the entire crew and come out the winner in a matter of minutes

 

[Tenryuken]

There was already a fight between zoro and luffy and while none of the showed superiority, it was shown that luffy can hold his ground againts a sword user.

It's obvious that Zoro was holding back.

Luffy is tha captain of his crew

I already explained how it comes that Luffy is Zoro's Captain and it has nothing to do with strenght.
You should read my previous posts.

he always fights the strongest enemy

Because he's choosing them, he's the Captain.

while I consider luffy and zoro to be roughly on the same tier

They have the same strenght and speed.
The only difference is that Zoro fights with swords and Luffy is a Rubberman.

Also, luffy has things which zoro doesnt have which are plot, feats (luffy always defeats stronger guys than zoro)

Again, Luffy is the Captain and he chooses who he fight.

and a body which is more resistant to damage.

Again, against swordsmen his body resistance is just the same as a normal human.

there is a reason why luffy is the captain

Read above.

and always fight the strongest people

Read above.

luffy is a lot more agile then zoro without even using gears.

I agree with you on this point.

when he uses gears luffy can take heads on the entire crew and come out the winner in a matter of minutes

That's an aberation!!!
He wouldn't even be able to deal with Zoro or Robin alone, let stand the whole crew.

 

[Razh]

It's obvious that Zoro was holding back.

Not really. He said it himself that he has to go serious.
If you don't believe me, check this out:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/112/13/

They were both going at it.
Don't distort the facts in order to reinforce your point.

That's an aberation!!!
He wouldn't even be able to deal with Zoro or Robin alone, let stand the whole crew.

It would be a close call with Zoro.
But I don't get it how Luffy couldn't deal with Robin alone. Sure, she has a good chance of poking him in the eye, or go after his nuts, but that's all she can do. She can't exactly break his spine, or any other bone of his.

And I'm not really sure that Luffy could beat entire crew. But it would be a scary experience for them. Just remeber how he dealed with big Moria with his combined gears.