Game Fan League Discussion Thread

[Kaoz]

I'm not sure about can't be negated, didn't Sengaku sort of 'negate' his prediction?

Sengoku???

They didn't even play each other, neither did their teams.
Sengoku, sure? Where and when?

 

[-Ken-]

I mean seigaku>< Got confused, sorry.

 

[Kaoz]

No, everyone played the position Mizuki predicted. That they lost is another matter but his prediction was 100% correct.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Uh so, can Wakato copy Mizuki or not? Because we went from "should he?" to "btw, Mizuki's effect cannot be negated"

Wakato is kinda useless right now since all the good effects in the league are unable to be copied.

It's one thing to let those effects not be copied by muga/etc, because that would make characters broken and all, but Wakato's ONLY ability is copying other characters effects.

I think that logically, he should be able to copy Mizuki. I mean, some techniques that shouldn't be copied make sense. Niou's Illusion, sure. Oni and the other high schoolers? Sure as well. Too strong.

But Mizuki's technique is but preparation, and Wakato is ALL about preparation. I can't think of a mangawise explanation for him not being able to use it.

 

[javimgol]

Uh so, can Wakato copy Mizuki or not? Because we went from "should he?" to "btw, Mizuki's effect cannot be negated"

Wakato is kinda useless right now since all the good effects in the league are unable to be copied.

It's one thing to let those effects not be copied by muga/etc, because that would make characters broken and all, but Wakato's ONLY ability is copying other characters effects.

I think that logically, he should be able to copy Mizuki. I mean, some techniques that shouldn't be copied make sense. Niou's Illusion, sure. Oni and the other high schoolers? Sure as well. Too strong.

But Mizuki's technique is but preparation, and Wakato is ALL about preparation. I can't think of a mangawise explanation for him not being able to use it.

I said before, Mizuki's Data should be copied only by Copy Masters (Niou,Wakato,Kabaji,Zaizen's Genius).
But you are completely wrong if you think that Wakato is useless. If he is, why don't you change him for my Kajimoto? Or pick Reiji, who costs the same? Wakato is a true beast.One of the players with best points/cost relation.He's the only one who can get a 10 point boost with Gin's Hadokyyu. Or even Rin+Rai!

 

[Kaoz]

Wakato can't use both Rin and Rai. Reason is that Rin states one additional effect can be activated but Wakato has none. So either is fine but not both.

 

[javimgol]

Wakato can't use both Rin and Rai. Reason is that Rin states one additional effect can be activated but Wakato has none. So either is fine but not both.

Reading the description of Wakato's Feat and Rin, seems possible to me to copy Rin + other effect. Same than Shinji's Kick Serve+ Spot. But your word is law here, I accept it

 

[Jyten]

Uh so, can Wakato copy Mizuki or not? Because we went from "should he?" to "btw, Mizuki's effect cannot be negated"

Wakato is kinda useless right now since all the good effects in the league are unable to be copied.

It's one thing to let those effects not be copied by muga/etc, because that would make characters broken and all, but Wakato's ONLY ability is copying other characters effects.

I think that logically, he should be able to copy Mizuki. I mean, some techniques that shouldn't be copied make sense. Niou's Illusion, sure. Oni and the other high schoolers? Sure as well. Too strong.

But Mizuki's technique is but preparation, and Wakato is ALL about preparation. I can't think of a mangawise explanation for him not being able to use it.

Wakato is not a stalker. So, he won't have the data needed for preparation and prediction. Plus, I see him being able to perfectly match how people move their bodies, and how they play, just not how they think. Nor does he have the respect form his teammates for them to follow exactly how he says. That is reserved for the MILF coach.

I think only Nioh was capable of that...granted Nioh...kind of seemed like a rip off of Wakato...so....yeah....unsure on which one's ability came out first. If you want he could copy an aura's too.

 

[-Ken-]

Just wondering, do ability like Fuji/Oshitari auto-activate or he have to get his opponent ability right?

 

[Kaoz]

Eh, in which way?

Fuji's effects activate when the playstyle is right and all the time in doubles, Oshitar's effects are like the first part of Fuji's.

Does this answer your question?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Wakato is not a stalker. So, he won't have the data needed for preparation and prediction. Plus, I see him being able to perfectly match how people move their bodies, and how they play, just not how they think. Nor does he have the respect form his teammates for them to follow exactly how he says. That is reserved for the MILF coach.

I think only Nioh was capable of that...granted Nioh...kind of seemed like a rip off of Wakato...so....yeah....unsure on which one's ability came out first. If you want he could copy an aura's too.

Not a stalker? He stalked people to copy their abilities, remember?
He has to watch tapes over and over again to understand how to copy something. Of course he would have the data.

Respect is irrelevant, it's not like Mizuki's ability only works with St.Rudolph members, and it's not like anyone outside of St.Rudolph would have any respect for him.

Anyway, the reason I picked Wakato was that he was a decent character. He could copy effects and all.

But then after I picked him, his effect became greatly nerfed when all the good effects began being "impossible to copy."

Which is okay and all, but I still think he should be able to copy Mizuki's effect for the reasons I provided above. If not...Eh, I'll accept the copying aura think. Not too bad of a consolation prize.

 

[-Ken-]

Another question. how would Echizen's samurai drive and Akutsu's Sliding work against Yukimura?

 

[Sai]

Question: Can family member's get some sort of doubles synchro boost?

Like Yuushi/Kenya, Fuji/Yuuta or Ishida/Gin etc. Just thought about that....

 

[Jyten]

Not a stalker? He stalked people to copy their abilities, remember?
He has to watch tapes over and over again to understand how to copy something. Of course he would have the data.

Respect is irrelevant, it's not like Mizuki's ability only works with St.Rudolph members, and it's not like anyone outside of St.Rudolph would have any respect for him.

Anyway, the reason I picked Wakato was that he was a decent character. He could copy effects and all.

But then after I picked him, his effect became greatly nerfed when all the good effects began being "impossible to copy."

Which is okay and all, but I still think he should be able to copy Mizuki's effect for the reasons I provided above. If not...Eh, I'll accept the copying aura think. Not too bad of a consolation prize.

I think he just watched too much tennis....not actually stalked other players....Normally, he'd change his style to one of the professionals...not another middle school-er....

Again...its like Mizuki is the psuedo coach for St. Rudolph...and frankly...MILF coach already has that spot in Josei Shonan...or however you spell it. I can't see Wakato copying Mizuki to surpass her data.

Hmm...i thought I added the cannot be copied before we put it up...but I was on serious amounts of Night quil...so I might have been hallucinating.

Also, remember Wakato is only a 16 point char...we can't make him too broken.

Also, Sai we could make some level of formations for family members.

 

[Kaoz]

Another question. how would Echizen's samurai drive and Akutsu's Sliding work against Yukimura?

Ah, I'll start with the easier one, when playing Echizen using Yips, Yuki's Speed goes up by 8 points (to 21), Samurai Drive is not negated, neither through Yips nor through it's own effect as Yuki's Speed us above 20 but his Power is not.

From the way it's worded, Sliding's effect activates first but it doesn't matter that much, does it?

As this is starting to get more confusing, I might do a complete effect order list when I have enough time (i.e. on the weekend).

Question: Can family member's get some sort of doubles synchro boost?

Like Yuushi/Kenya, Fuji/Yuuta or Ishida/Gin etc. Just thought about that....

I'll think about it.

 

[Sai]

I was also trying to come up with more doubles formations ^^;;

I noticed the lack of the Silver Pairs Australian Formation Fuuji {Australian Formation Sealer} (that super close formation they use) - http://www.mangatoshokan.com/read/Prince-of-Tennis/Fruity-Explosive-Translation/290/10
(I took that straight from my 40.5 fanbook)


Another one I was thinking was the Double Poach (AKA Rush Formation). It would only be able to be used by 2 Serves and Volleyers etc etc etc (Similar to Aggressive Formation, but not quite the same)

Then there's the formation Atobe and Kabaji used so early on in the street tennis match lol. Atobe sits down and Kabaji does all the work. In FTST, they have this formation and Kabaji pretty much auto returns everything.

There's also the 1 up 1 back counter punch formation, this is one I use most in real life. I keep a speedster in back who can counter punch the shots back and I stay up front read to put away a shot with one well placed volley once the opponents make the mistake of bringing it to the net.

These are jsut some ideas to throw around ^^;;

 

[Bowser]

Question (don't want to spam the other thread lol):
Perhaps first to three games will win automatically, so you don't have to play the last game? This way, we don't have to always have those 3-2s.

 

[Jyten]

Ah, I'll start with the easier one, when playing Echizen using Yips, Yuki's Speed goes up by 8 points (to 21), Samurai Drive is not negated, neither through Yips nor through it's own effect as Yuki's Speed us above 20 but his Power is not.

From the way it's worded, Sliding's effect activates first but it doesn't matter that much, does it?

As this is starting to get more confusing, I might do a complete effect order list when I have enough time (i.e. on the weekend).

I'll think about it.

I thought Echizen couldn't beat Yuki with Samurai Drive? I thought Echizen could only win through using Pop.

Unsure how that stacks up against the manga since I think it was Pop that beat Yuki and samurai drive was just the final move.

My only concern with using that type of wording is then Oni's black jack knife and Atobe's Rondo become monstrous to cancel. I think that if says it should cancel it should. Just too keep things simple.


Rant on...

Spoiler

Also, could we get rid of/change Kiraku's arrogance feat...like its not bad...but dang it makes him hard to use...he can beat like 2 people higher than him for that aren't doubles players....(Kenya and Mizuki...Mizuki if I'm lucky) Technically, Kenya might be a doubles player too.

Lower than him he loses to everyone above Chinen (Ties with him yet costs 7 more points). So, like 8 players. I don't count the doubles players since all of them are better than he is in doubles. He's still okay though since he'll beat anyone below Chinen in singles.

Plus, if I tired to use him in doubles with Kazuya or Yuki...I'd immediately get nerfed by arrogance since their like 64 and 80 base level respectively that is higher than most doubles pairs. Plus he only gives a +19...at best...at worst he gives a +16...which is still 3 points more than he costs...but...personally, I think he's the worst player in the league.

Granted so long as Yuki, Kazuya and Silver pair can pull out wins...I'm okay. If silver pair gets beat I'm pretty much screwed. Silver pair must win....I think pretty much everyone in the league can make two strong doubles teams and force me to lose in singles. Yeah....tomorrow I'll check to see if I literally lose to everyone in the league...if i do...well...I'll still play..but...I'll be a free win.

Or maybe just change Kiraku....if we give a bonus to the silver pair i'd be almost unstoppable...I don't want that...even if they lose to half of the potential doubles its okay. I just want a chance at winning.

Rant off...

Basically, I don't care that much and I'm really just complaining since I couldn't beat Sherlock though.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Question: Why is it that Niou's Illusion can only be used in Singles? It should be usable in doubles.

...I still want Wakato to be able to copy Mizuki *cough*

I think he just watched too much tennis....not actually stalked other players....Normally, he'd change his style to one of the professionals...not another middle school-er....

He copied Kaidoh. He can copy anyone, if he wants to. He has the brains to do it.

Oh, and as for Kiraku...Yeah. I say we raise the stakes a little. Make him drop 10 points when playing against someone weaker, and get boosted 10 points when playing against someone stronger.

Or something like "When playing against someone weaker, Kiraku automatically loses. When playing against someone stronger, he gets boosted 10 points."

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

...I still want Wakato to be able to copy Mizuki *cough*

He copied Kaidoh. He can copy anyone, if he wants to. He has the brains to do it.

He copies play styles and abilities. Mizuki's predictions are something completely different, something that only he can do (even Inui can't make predictions on his level).