Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

[ErosVp]

Yeah, The power balance is pretty much static...

Monster Trio.
Mid Trio, Franky being the strongest here. Brook and Robin have styles too differents to compare, but Brook seems to be capable of superhuman feats since before death, Robin's DF is uber but i didn't saw she using it in a fight against a pretty strong guy since she joined the strwahats. After the time skip many things may have changed, but i still think that if she grabs someone with superhuman strenght the guy can just break her arms by raise his arms focefully....

Weak trio is hard to rate. They can be really usefull in differents ways, Ussop being a sniper can be the most helpfull sometimes and Chopper's evolution as a fighter can make him compete against even Robin and Brook (at least pre time skip)...

 

[zelllogan]

About Robin: it's easy to break one pencil in two parts ... not as easy to break in two 20 pencils stuck together.

NB: I hate it when I do a long post & that I realize it's the last one of the former page ...

 

[kkck]

I still have quite some trouble imagining robin being in the same league as franky and brook. Franky is quite literally a fighting machine, he remade himself to be stronger and brook is a fairly decent swordsman (his technique rivals zoro´s actually, he just does not have his physical capacities) who can use music as a weapon. The impression I have is that robin is in the average trio just to complete 3 trios lol.

I actually do want to take back what I said about oda maintaining the status quo in the crew though, specifically for ussop and perhaps chopper. Ussop is the crew´s snipper, he specifically has a fighting position. All the strawhats are meant to be capable fighters but I would think given ussop´s position being almost exclusively battle oriented means he is meant to be at least considerably above the non fighting members. This is how I saw the crew pre time skip in terms of power:

Tier one
Luffy
zoro
sanji

tier two
franky
brook

tier 3
robin

tier 4
ussop
nami
chopper

I think that oda intends for the tier to look kinda like this in the near future due to ussop´s possition


Tier one
Luffy
zoro
sanji

tier two
franky
brook

tier 2.5
ussop


tier 3
robin
nami
chopper

Nami, robin and chopper being the weaker members in the crew actually makes sense if you think about it. The 3 of them actually have intellectual positions in the crew (archeologist, navigator and metheorologist, doctor) meaning that in the long run the strawhats would perhaps not benefit from them being in the front lines. Chopper is a guy so it kinda does seem he is meant to be in the front lines (not trying to be machist or anything of the sort BTW, I just get that impression) but logically he is not someone who should be fighting the enemy´s main fighters nor should have a place among the crew´s secondary fighting squad. Ussop definitely has to grow insanely strong, perhaps enough to eventually do this but in turn there is something inherently weird about seeing him along the lines of brook and franky.... Perhaps we shouldn´t see the strawhats in trios though. Oda originally intended for the crew to have 10 members + luffy meaning trios won´t work all that well. If there are meant to be trios then perhaps luffy is meant to be out of them lol.

 

[ErosVp]

Hahahaha True Zellogan! Now that i saw it is on last page too...

It is hard but how you would rate the mid and weak trio Zellogan?

EDIT: Regarding kkck psot, that wasn's there when i wrotr...

I agree almost completely about the ranks and Ussop future position, but I still put Chooper above Nami. I don't know if it is because more tradicional fighters (those that uses punchs, swords, kick, and diverse weapons) cause more impression in me...

 

[zelllogan]

Hahahaha True Zellogan! Now that i saw it is on last page too...

It is hard but how you would rate the mid and weak trio Zellogan?

Pre-timeskip:
Monster trio:
1) Luffy
2) Zoro
3) Sanji

Mid trio:
4) Franky
5) Brook
6) Robin

Weak trio:
7) Chopper
8) Nami
9) Usopp

Post timeskip, IMO it should stay roughly the same. I would just swap Nami and Usopp because Usopp didn't improve only his knowledge & strength ... He greatly improved his mindset as well.

 

[ErosVp]

I agree with your pre timeskip. Ussop was ridiculou sometimes, and didn't defeat anyone from cp9. Now i would say he can be equal or stronger than Robin, since a good sniper can have a lot of potential in this manga.

 

[jorped]

I have high expectations for Franky. Currently i think he has everything to be the 4th stronger of the Crew. But the others also improved a lot, specially Ussop most likely. I hope that he has really suffer a huge incremental on his skills, since of all imo he was the weakest. I expect a lot from each member, but i also want to see a very strong Chopper. His kung fu looks awesome.

With the next chapter, i hope we start having a better idea, about the real strength of each SH.

 

[ErosVp]

I wonder if a new crewmember join, where he would fit in the power level...

 

[jorped]

I wonder if a new crewmember join, where he would fit in the power level...

I don't really am seeing someone that will absolutely join the crew. Jimbei, Shirahoshi are a possibility, and if they did join they would be in the middle. Though Shirahoshi power if well developed can put her definitely as one of the strongest

 

[ErosVp]

If no one joins this arc, then there will be only in NW. Someone from NW must be strong enough to go straight to position 4 or 5...

 

[Uriel]

I'll say what I always say: I don't believe in power levels in One Piece. The rank could be something for fans to use it and a way to measure in-story their differences, but I think it's quite clear that it's not static and always depends on the enemy and the circumstance. Not only that, but I think that they mostly fight in unison with each other, which makes difficult to measure their raw strength alone.

I believe, though, in elastic zones in which members are "swimming".

 

[ErosVp]

I agree that power levels are hard to measure. Luffy wouldn't be able to spine Spandam and save Robin for exemple, There are thing only some guys can do with their ability and some abililitys are cryptonite for others.... But Admirals are stronger than vice-admiral (Garp exception, cause his level is above), Captains are stronger than their subortinates, etc. It is more hard to measure strenght between shichibukais and between younkous, but the crew has well outlined power level where Luffy > Zoro > Sanji > Franky > Brook...

 

[kkck]

I guess it depends on what you intend to include in power levels. In general I actually think power levels in OP are fairly clear which is something independent from how specific abilties would suit a specific situation. I mean, ussop can snipe someone from 2 miles away with one eye closed and a hand to his back but that does not mean he is stronger than luffy. You have to take things within context.... Heck, you could find situations where pre timeskip ussop would be more useful than the pirate king himself but that really does not mean much in a fight against roger himself.

 

[Kyodai Senkan Mora]

Also, didn´t oda actually state franky was the fourth strongest strawhat?

I must have missed this.Where exactly did he say this? maybe give us a link sir?

---------- Post added at 08:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:05 PM ----------

Pre-timeskip:
Monster trio:
1) Luffy
2) Zoro
3) Sanji

Mid trio:
4) Franky
5) Brook
6) Robin

Weak trio:
7) Chopper
8) Nami
9) Usopp

Post timeskip, IMO it should stay roughly the same. I would just swap Nami and Usopp because Usopp didn't improve only his knowledge & strength ... He greatly improved his mindset as well.

I mostly agree with this except the after time skip ussop nami switch.Oda said in an SBS that ussop will always be the weakest strawhat because he represents what a normal human is capable of in the one piece world.will try and post the link soon.

 

[ErosVp]

Weakest strawhat in phisycal strenght if i remenber correctely! Like saying Ussop would lose to Nami in an arm wrestling, but Ussop abilities have more use in a fight than Nami's...

 

[BigBadDogg]

Nami is actually pretty strong with her weapons and knowledge. Most of the SH would have a problem fighting her. The way she can make mirages quickly is no joke. She has also fought some strong opponents and won.

 

[guegoblok]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

Right now I'm assuming most of the strawhats can already use haki.... save Franky and Nami. Zoro, Sanji, Chopper and Usop already have mantra (observation, and I think Robin has this one also or she wouldn't have been able to locate Luffy and the gang without any prior meeting arrangements, I don't know if Nami has one, but her weather observation skill is more impressive, unique and useful than regular haki, so I wouldn't be surprised if she can use the normal haki). Not sure about Strengthening haki, but the monster trio should have them (because if they didn't have haki, it would be harder for them to take out a pacifista in one swoop).

As for the conqueror haki, only Luffy need this, but it might be a bonus if Sanji/Zoro have them, doubt it though. They only need one to weed out all the weaklings, since Luffy's haki can take out 50.000 people on one go, anymore would be redundant and pointless.

 

[Schabrak]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

moriab/lilsizzo
More like a plot device to make Luffy stand out. We also don't know if he was capable of using bursts or hold back consciously to protect the NW pirates, most of them were of his alliance, not his own crew, so he probably couldn't differentiate between all of those, or it would cost to much power/concentration, strain his old body as said. Out of the 100 thousand of the Marines[Did someone point out that it's the same number of enemies the Mugiwaras have to face?^^] 80 to 90% were probably fodder too, with a doriki of ten. Only/mostly captains and above are stronger and I doubt that every tenth soldier was a captain.

 

[Dylan21]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

I really doubt there is anything that is "too much" for the new world lol, specially when it comes down to haki. Haki should be a somewhat generic skill to varying degrees among people who have actual strength for the most part. The color of the conqueror will certainly be rare but in turn we should expect to see plenty of people with the other types shortly. You also have to consider every high ranking marine actually does in fact use haki.... Eventually it makes the most sense for all strawhats to master haki to some degree, dependind on their specialty. IMO the monster trio are candidates for all 3 types IMO at least.

I don't know about that . I mean sooner o later , Zoro and Sanji will learn how to use COA for sure, maybe COO but i doubt anyone expect Luffy will master COC . Later on the manga, maybe someone like Robin ,Usopp , Nami or Chopper will learn how to use COO .
If you think about it in Whitebeard crew, only Marco,Vista, Ace and WB himself could use haki , and that was the best crew in the world (maybe except for shank's and BB now ) . As for the marine's , only vice admirals and admirals can use haki, yeah there's Coby too , but he is destined to be at least a VA someday .
Haki doesn't mean win automatically every match, but if the top 3 fighters already have it, then they are gonna be able to at least face any situation . And we've got to remember that there are another 500-600 chapters before the end , so i wouldn't mind if at first, only Luffy could deal with Logia and Haki user .
Oda really turn up the expectations for the new world, and surely it's gonna be tough , but we already witness somehow what the "top" is , so IMO is best to delay the SH's approach to top for a while.

 

[pizzaslicepwnu]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

in order to hit a logia you need to use haki or use the enamies particular weakness(his element weakness). i dont want every time the SH meet a logia that all of them (except luffy/zoro/sanji - who probably have COA) will be useless against him. the whole point of their training is that luffy wouldnt have to fight alone(and suffer the most),therefor assuming that all of them will master haki to some extent at some point of the story isnt that an impossible scanerio.