Discussion Crews strength - what you expect from now on

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Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

Well, we did kinda see Rayleigh using COC and he was only the second mate of the crew. It is extremely likely roger had it too given his position meaning the previous PK crew had two users of that particular type of haki. Marco, vista, jozu and WB are only the confirmed haki users but we really have no idea about the rest (. Worth mentioning, that crew with WB and ace had 2 COC users. Also, by high ranking marines I meant the admirals and VAs (of which the manga has shown at least 12). There are a few other WB pirates who I would think is extremely likely they can use haki to some degree. Fozza, Jiru, Atmos, Haruta, Kingdew, Blenheim... they are all experience fighters who have made a name for themselves in the strongest crew in the world. These guys are meant to fight admirals and VAs, given the conditions and that they seem mostly like physical fighters I doubt they won't have haki.

Now, first of all I don't think haki will automatically win every match, far from that. Even the facing any situation is a bit of a stretch although it is worth saying they kinda trained for 2 years for just that. Haki is something that comes with time and experience, I don't think the strawhats will only rarely face other haki users. To be completely honest I expect any enemy the strawhats have with a certain degree of strength to be a haki user at some level.

Yeah, that is what i already answered... Zoro being Vice captain, same as Ray-san was ... It would not be too unrevelant that he has COC.

Furthermore, actually, SH crew is really powerfull.... Read again the precedent Arc : New World Pirates had a lot of trouble againts Pacifistas... We did not see one shots. Even if more powerfull ones were fighting in the front line... And now 3 members of SH Crew can one shot them!

I can't wait to see what is next to them in NW. And which will be their next ennemy !

 

[Deepak5191]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

yeah it is in the wrong thread....quick answer is that whitebeard is old....i think haki is affected by age and even if he is able to use haki...we would not be able to react to the danger being as old as he is...and i believe the marine there should be filtered to almsot 90% could withstand coc. kairosoky i believe is the stone right? if i am right it only shuts down ability from the devil fruit....now lets all discuss this in another thread...=)


i think the chapter 634 mention 100k pirates is roughly a figure and thus so defeating 50k of them would also be a figure.....there was a panel where it shows almost all the pirates but mostly are being displayed as dot. it seems robin are not really used to haki as she says..."this is haki" or smtg like tat..like she nvr experienced it before...or could be the reason she said that is she have no COC. =)

It's probably because during the war, there were so many people that it would be hard to target just the marines and not also hit the pirates inter mixed in the crowd. CoC seems like a double edged sword if the 2 sides are huge and already fighting.

 

[kkck]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

Yeah, that is what i already answered... Zoro being Vice captain, same as Ray-san was ... It would not be too unrevelant that he has COC.

Furthermore, actually, SH crew is really powerfull.... Read again the precedent Arc : New World Pirates had a lot of trouble againts Pacifistas... We did not see one shots. Even if more powerfull ones were fighting in the front line... And now 3 members of SH Crew can one shot them!

I can't wait to see what is next to them in NW. And which will be their next ennemy !

Well, all we actually saw of the pacisfista were lone frames at a time but it did kinda seem like the pacifista were being taken out too. Boa was implied to have taken out several of them, and in all fairness she should be capable of taking them out very easily. To be completely honest I don't think people of the strawhats caliber will be all that weird in the new world. IMO it would not be strange in the least if the new world captains could actually give luffy a good run for their money. Its not like the war was fought solely by commanders. How would 14 of them match up against the admirals, VAs and shichibukai? They would have been outnumbered IMO, there must have necessarily been other strong people around and the only option are the new world crews.

 

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Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction → Next Chapter on Aug.17

those of you who still think zoro can not use haki are in for a surprise because zoro is always looking to get stronger just think about it he had tears and his eyes and threw away his pride to train with mihawk to get stronger so do you think mihawk can just tell zoro that haki not only makes you stronger but it allows you to hit logia df types and the other one allows you to predict your enemies moves and you can bet that you will run into alot of people who know how to use haki in the new world and without the use of haki you can forget about challenging an admiral i don't think so if zoro know about haki trust me he tried his best to learn it and he succeded it only fit his character personality and if oda don't make zoro use haki then it will be dumb on oda part so please don't let me down

 

[Captain Red Fists]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction → Next Chapter on Aug.17

i would like to see luffy combine his coa with gear 2 and see how fast he will become :P

 

[BoobsMakeMeHappy]

do u thnk robin wil start using guns http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/612/2 i kno some of u will b like "no ussop the sharpshooter she cant use guns" but look at brook and zoro any way id think it wud b cool and IMO she really doesnt need it but oda is always creative with everything he does look at gear 2nd theres not 1 person who expected tht & mayb he can do somthing creative with her using guns too...............................

 

[Shojin]

I highly doubt that she will use guns.

 

[Zehahaha]

I expect one thing from the SH's : pwning. (That's my fanboy side)

Well, I expect Haki from the monster trio, that's for sure. But the one I'm eager to see fight is Usopp. I'm not a fan for using plants or something like that, I was more expecting to see him having a gun and using his sniper skill to the max (combined with C.O.O). But, plants don't sound that bad either.

 

[kkck]

To be honest I don't expect robin to be physically a monster but I do think she will be something kinda like crocodile. Crocodile is probably not quite up there with many insanely strong people but in turn he has shown insane skills with his fruits and practical uses for it. For example, he uses dehydration through his sand, which should be effective against people of any level. His sand tornadoes were even capable of sending jozu flying... In this regard, his techniques are essentially effective against people much stronger than he is which makes him a bit of a wildcard and perhaps even capable of going up against anyone (he was not one shoted by mihawk for example). I don't expect robin to dehydrate people or create tornadoes of any sort but in turn I think she will be the sort who is dangerous due to the sheer level of mastery she has over her fruit.

I don't think a gun would suit ussop. A good sniper can probably do quite a bit with a gun (van auger could hit birds from islands so distant they could not be seen by people close to the target) but in turn a gun is limited in that it can only hit with bullets. Ussop has always been the type to rely heavily on having weapons with different effects such as explosions or fire.... He needs to keep that up and keep taking it to the extreme. To be honest I expect him to add a bit of physical combat to his mix. Run even more for the most part (kinda like when auger shot ace) while avoiding damage, perhaps go as far as being capable of punching back in the case of close combat. His attacks already have an altogether different scale from what they did before (the sea weed he grew was as large as the kraken and he comfortably grew plants strong enough to eat a man worth 30 mill) so perhaps once he gets offensive he will be able to mow through the fodder. Since he uses plants now I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he now attacks with weeds to trap his enemies or if he uses poisons or sleep powders from flowers and other plants. He could be something like a gardener from hell lol. Of course, there would be inherent limitations to plants as his plants are not going to get stronger as he does so he should have improved versions of his previous stars. A star capable of blowing up a building should be a given lol. He should have stuff he could imbue with haki in the long run too (he should do at least that much in the long run) so perhaps he will have stars with weapons or even regular shots with just haki. Perhaps a particular type of plant with spines which he can imbue with haki would be interesting. Heracles was able to summon bugs somehow so perhaps ussop will be able to do something like that. Perhaps he could control or grow them with some sort of plant.

As for brook, I have no idea. The first thing he should have improved is his swordsmanship. It should be quite insane by now. He seems to have developed his fruit although it does not seem to have practical uses yet other than keeping him alive. He could scare his enemy with a ghost but I can't imagine that working with strong people. He spent some time with doubled elbowed people so perhaps he learned how to manipulate music like appoo and do a crap loud of things with it. Brook should have gotten a better sword unless his current one is already good in some form. A normal sword should not last long in the new world anyways.

 

[ErosVp]

Ussop could use his Kabuto with his eccentric ammo to snipe, and if a foe approched him for close combat it would be cool if he taked double guns to fight!

I think i saw this somewhere before, i don't remember if it was a manga, anime or movie... A foe thought he would have the advantage against a guy using a rifle if he closed the distance, but when he went to punch there was a gun in his face! Kabuto act like a rifle right? I'm not saying he would finish the fight using guns, but he could use it to keep away/repel the enemy and matain the combat in his comfort zone, with distance. If his kabuto had a longer handle, he could use it to repel the enemy and fight like Beckman.


ps: think the maid in Black Butler did something like that too...

 

[Wisshard]

Re: One Piece 634 Discussion / 635 Prediction

I don't know about that . I mean sooner o later , Zoro and Sanji will learn how to use COA for sure, maybe COO but i doubt anyone expect Luffy will master COC. [...] If you think about it in Whitebeard crew, only Marco,Vista, Ace and WB himself could use haki.

If you recall, it took Luffy, an alleged Haki prodigy, one and a half year of personal tutelage from the late Pirate King's "Partner" himself to get the forms down. It would be a little incongruous if Zoro & Sanji come out of two years of intense training only to require 2-4 years more training from Luffy himself in order to keep up. Or, alternatively, if they keep up with Luffy despite lacking the ability to utilize Haki, have significantly superior physical ability compared to Luffy (including Gears). I can't see Oda going down either route personally, especially as there is no reason that Zoro and Sanji can't have learned to use Haki during the time-skip.

As for ol' Edward and his merry-band, Marco, Jozu, Vista and Edward himself may have been the only ones who displayed the ability to utilize Haki on-panel, but those were very likely not the only Haki-users among the Whitebeard Pirates.

Haki doesn't mean win automatically every match,

Indeed. Haki is a skillset, although a rather unique one, and is only as useful as it's user. It would be perfectly possible to contend without Haki (as we saw when G2 Luffy trounced Marigold and Sandersonia), though you'd need a significant edge elsewhere (i.e. a notable superiority in speed and strength, to make up for CoO and CoA, respectively).

Oda really turn up the expectations for the new world, and surely it's gonna be tough , but we already witness somehow what the "top" is , so IMO is best to delay the SH's approach to top for a while.

I agree. The Straw-Hats have come out of the time-skip with immense improvement, but I think they still have a way to go before they can compete with Yonkous and Admirals. But that doesn't mean that the Straw-Hats wont be outstanding: similar to their journey throughout the Grand Line, the Straw-Hats will still contend with the prominent figures (i.e. strong pirate crews outside the Yonkous, the top Vice-Admirals etc.).

Personally, I expect Luffy's & Zoro's fighting prowess to be comparable to what Ace's was, with Sanji, as ever, a small, but notable, bit behind.

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Reading the last chapter I thought that it was a bitunfortunate that Chopper didn't have a proper combat teacher. He would have become considerably stronger if someone taught him some moves or even some combat style. Of course he got bigger after the timeskip and got better with his Devel Fruit, but it was expected from him, cause it was the only thing he was using from the begining of his presense in the crew. I actually believe that it would have been quite an interesting thing from Oda's part if he met someone like an old boxer or some guy from that tribe on the island to get his fighting techs on a different level and actually make him on par with Franky after the timeskip. Even now I would say Chopper has quite an interesting potential, considering his Devil Fruit. If he can use his Monster Form that we saw in Ennies Lobby for some time it can be quite devastating, but until now he isn't that strong, but still he can hold his own in the begining of the New World for now. I hope he didn't show all he has. Hope Oda will surprise us.

P.S. Maybe he learned a bit of Kunf-fu as we saw his Kung-fu point.) It would be quite an interesting development for him.

 

[kkck]

To be honest one of the crew members I expect the most out of is nami.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v58/c596/5.html

I think it is a safe assumption that nami is currently using at least some version of the weather ball as weapons. Now, the specifics have not been explained in detail however the weather ball was explicitly stated to have a HUGE amount of power. I guess it kinda comes down to what version of the weather ball she has and perhaps how many. We have seen little from her so far, so little that it actually is not significantly more than what she could do with her staff before the timeskip. Anyways, her previous staff was at least capable of taking out a entire squad of marines at least which is no small feat for a normal human. If we take take eredas's words to heart then nami would even go as far as being overpowered under the right circumstances. She has been fighting hordes of fishmen on her own though, in the past she would not have managed that so easily. At the moment perhaps her true power would extent to a huge storm over a large area however that should require her a bit of time. Still, if she does manage to set up a reasonably sized storm and have complete control over it she would have a lot of firepower to say the least (perhaps enough to take out her share of 10000 fishmen).

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I actually don't think that Nami would be really powerful. I believe she will be the same weakest in all senses member of the crew. She will just get an upgrade to take mass of fodder, but from the New World (before she also managed to mostly take fodder like nameless marines and they even managed to come back to the fight) as it was in Ennies Lobby). As she is now taking down fodder fishmen. I actually don't expect her to take any of relatively strong opponents in this arc.

 

[matzik1212]

Well Nami doesn't have to be stronger she just has to be smarter and more skilled in navigation to know how to deal with the crazy islands we saw that are in the NW ......i think that's what she meant by becoming more powerful 'cause after all if the SH's don't have a good navigator or they let someone like Zoro take the lead then they're practically screwed .....they are all in the palm of her hand or to put it simply no Nami no Luffy becoming PK

 

[Kyodai Senkan Mora]

they let someone like Zoro take the lead then they're practically screwed .....they are all in the palm of her hand or to put it simply no Nami no Luffy becoming PK

I don't know...I feel that if they let Zoro navigate they would be in Raftel by now.lol.He has a tendency on rare occasions to get to the right place by pure luck before anyone else

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Actually I though it would be very funny to see Sanji eating Kangooru or Rabit Zoan DF.. It would be very funny and will develop futher his fighting style. Even though I know that it's practically impossible, but still that would be quite hilarious. And this might also help him with women.

 

[k-dom]

Now that we see Chopper having mastered monster point, I'm more confident that he still has more than the old 7 transformations points and that the kung-fu point is not a redesign of one of them.
That's cool, because I was a bit disappointed after reading chapter 636, thinking he had still only 7 points. That means he will continue to surprise us and be stronger.

By now my understanding is that he has
* 3 devil fruit points : Brain, Heavy and Walk
* 3 ex Rumble ball points that he now can use as the 3 regular one : Jump, Horn and Arm
* 1 Old point he still need a rumble ball for : Guard
* New points he has mastered : so far Monster and Kung fu

 

[kkck]

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/one_piece/v59/c636/12.html

Well, chopper never implied he had more forms. He merely mentioned he remade the 7 original, 6 of which he could access at will. I have my doubts of him having more forms. I do get the impression he has not showed all his forms yet. The ones in the page next to the one I posted shows five forms and implies monster point but it does not seem like he has shown all forms. Which are we missing? Maybe arm point?

 

[k-dom]

Damn I forgot about that picture
I we considered the 5 ones in the shadow are the one he can transform into without rumble ball (the 6th one being the Human heavy pointo), then that means that Kung fu is indeed an old one (probably Jump point). Which would make arm point the one with rumble ball. That can make sense, since it was suppose to be his strongest one, also he did not choose it here
Anyway, Monster point is definitively a 8th one.