Discussion Sabo Thread

[hoeru]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

What makes people think Sabo is dead??.

Do we have to go through this again? Dogura witnessed the scene and actually said that he died (in addition the death is confirmed by two data books).

The case of Bellamy is different as he only said that he lost a friend - which is now to be seen in a completely different light as Bellamy said that he lost his friends while getting to Skypiea. So they simply took different routes as Bellamy still wanted to become a Donquixote Pirate while Sarquis and the rest separated from the Donquixote Family.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

Do we have to go through this again? Dogura witnessed the scene and actually said that he died (in addition the death is confirmed by two data books).

It's not a confirmed death. Dogura said he died? Please... It's One Piece we're talking about. Pell was carrying a bomb big enough to destroy the entire city and even had his goodbye speech and still survived. Databooks compile information from the past chapters and give some extra info that doesn't affect the plot. They can't be expected to give possible spoilers. Ultimately, Oda has the last word and he has given plenty of hints that he could be alive. There is no good explanation for a bottle at Ace's grave or Dragon carrying someone wounded. If you think those are just non important coincidences, ok. I won't be fooled again by Oda and his non important details.

How did this become about Sabo anyway?

 

[Awesome]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

For Sabo Edit: Ignore that race bit to finding the page...
Heres the page about the graves with the cup and drink in front of it.

Spoiler

Also to note theres the newspaper on Aces grave with the news about Luffy setting sail again too, since the theme of this cover story was everyones reactions to Luffies setting sail again from Archipelago. SO... Who do you think would want to tell Ace, that Luffy was setting sail? JIMBEI? CMOOOOON DONT JOKE ABOUT!
One other page caught my attention tho, whose the guy with his back turned in this one? > http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/631


Also I asked ages back but didnt get a reply >=p how exactly is Bartolomeos name pronounced I wondered, since some of the translations spelt his name differently its got me curious

Spoiler

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/01/07/o/read50eaaf55b0746/img000009.png

Better cleaned picture showing 3 cups.

 

[yoshidr]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

Spoiler

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/01/07/o/read50eaaf55b0746/img000009.png

Better cleaned picture showing 3 cups.

I found that to be weird that on the original chapter 668 it only shows one cup but when i Google it there's images with 3 cups like the one you cited, is that a mistake Oda made and try to erased it or someone made it up?????? because if is Oda work im pretty sure Sabo is alive; anyways why would he want to introduce Sabo as soon as Ace died.... and about that image on chapter 631 is a possibility it may be Sabo he has long blonde hair plus in order to go to the new world he has to pass by the doctor maybe he seen the straw hat logo on the whale and stopped by to talk about the SH and how crazy Luffy is. One piece is the only manga i put so much thought into, Oda why cant you just give me the next 3 months one piece issue i cant take this weekly release anymore

 

[hokageji]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

The 3 cups could be for anyone who visited and associated themselves with ace and whitebeard.
Check the following images in the order posted:

Spoiler

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#15

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#31

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#47

I believe the cup covers the journey of this guy, possibly a nakama of Gol Roger himself. I believe it is likely to Bronze, what forums have come up with. He would show his respects to Roger's son and whitebeard as well, and he has been drinking throughout his visit.

It doesnt prove its not sabo , but nothing can really prove or disprove it. Anywyas, we relly wouldnt know till it is actually covered, no point discussing about it.


I think the person whom Bartolemo is fighting for is the guy who will help luffy win this war with dofla directly or indirectly.

 

[vagabond87]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

The 3 cups could be for anyone who visited and associated themselves with ace and whitebeard.
Check the following images in the order posted:

Spoiler

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#15

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#31

http://imgur.com/a/AbGXP#47

I believe the cup covers the journey of this guy, possibly a nakama of Gol Roger himself. I believe it is likely to Bronze, what forums have come up with. He would show his respects to Roger's son and whitebeard as well, and he has been drinking throughout his visit.

It doesnt prove its not sabo , but nothing can really prove or disprove it. Anywyas, we relly wouldnt know till it is actually covered, no point discussing about it.


I think the person whom Bartolemo is fighting for is the guy who will help luffy win this war with dofla directly or indirectly.

Its really BIG freaking hint to Sabo being alive, you sound like you want to find unexpected way for Bronze to be shown.. Yet its not logical to connect him in this way to Aces grave and cups. As for this discussion its like repetition of what was going on in Sabo thread few days ago so better just look there instead of "Sabo this Sabo that" here.

Look what you can find there:

Link to http://allmangareviews.blogspot.com/2013/02/one-piece-speculation-oda-hinting.html explanation
Now be kind enough to Explain how Bronze get to know about kids secret from so long ago? Only Sabo, Luffy and Ace knew about those cups. Only.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

SURPRISE>.... There is a thread for it

Sabo Thread ------------------>>>> http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/60729-Sabo-Thread/page9

For three cups ..... It has been hinted by Oda in SBS Volume 68 .... I personally would like to take that hint as a confirmation from Oda

D: Oda-chi! I went to see the One Piece Exhibition. At that time, chapter 668, "Pirate Alliance" was the chapter in Jump!!! In the "From the Decks of the World" picture, there were three sake cups in front of Ace's grave!!! Is it alright to think THAT person visited Ace's grave?? I expect that only Luffy and that person really know for sure... P.N. Hairdresser Gonke

O: Right, this is the image from chapter 668 that's in this very volume, but when it appeared in Jump, the advertisement messages covered up some parts and readers couldn't see it all very well. But at that time, the One Piece Exhibition was in Tokyo, and the person who wrote this letter went and saw the original image to confirm. You can also confirm it with this very volume. As for what you should think when you see this, well, I'll leave that to your imaginations for now.

Lets continue here ... .... http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/60729-Sabo-Thread/page10

 

[alelucas]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

One other page caught my attention tho, whose the guy with his back turned in this one? > http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/631

It's interesting.

The series 'From the Decks of the Word' didn't portrait unknown or face-hidden characters except that guy with crocus (New World's entry) in Ch 631's Cover Story.

So would that long-haired guy really be a character not previously seen?

And the final volume of 'From the Decks of the World' told us someone paid a visit to Ace & WB's Graves (somewhere in New World). Gratuitously?

Spoiler

 

[Schabrak]

Should/Could be Scopper Gaban as the last of the three names full-time members of Gols crew. Long hair, but grey because of age.

 

[alelucas]

Should/Could be Scopper Gaban as the last of the three names full-time members of Gols crew. Long hair, but grey because of age.

It's possible, I agree: same hair style and crocus' friend.

One question: even if he's that guy, why would his face be the only one hidden in the entire series 'From the Decks of the World'?

 

[Sproumfch]

This man is one of Roger's crew, I think we can hardly doubt about this. He's hidden because the crew didn't met him yet.
I won't vote here because I really don't know if Oda will pull him to Luffy's journey again !

 

[hoeru]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

SURPRISE>.... There is a thread for it

Sabo Thread ------------------>>>> http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/60729-Sabo-Thread/page9

For three cups ..... It has been hinted by Oda in SBS Volume 68 .... I personally would like to take that hint as a confirmation from Oda

D: Oda-chi! I went to see the One Piece Exhibition. At that time, chapter 668, "Pirate Alliance" was the chapter in Jump!!! In the "From the Decks of the World" picture, there were three sake cups in front of Ace's grave!!! Is it alright to think THAT person visited Ace's grave?? I expect that only Luffy and that person really know for sure... P.N. Hairdresser Gonke

O: Right, this is the image from chapter 668 that's in this very volume, but when it appeared in Jump, the advertisement messages covered up some parts and readers couldn't see it all very well. But at that time, the One Piece Exhibition was in Tokyo, and the person who wrote this letter went and saw the original image to confirm. You can also confirm it with this very volume. As for what you should think when you see this, well, I'll leave that to your imaginations for now.

Lets continue here ... .... http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php/60729-Sabo-Thread/page10

Why are neither Garp nor Dadan (nor both) options to have left those three cups? Why MUST Sabo be the only option to have left them there?

The series 'From the Decks of the Word' didn't portrait unknown or face-hidden characters except that guy with crocus (New World's entry) in Ch 631's Cover Story.

... except Makino's baby who's father is unknown, too ...

 

[alelucas]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

... except Makino's baby who's father is unknown, too ...

Makino's husband (or only her baby's father) wasn't portraited there, whereas that guy was portraited and his face was hidden. So they're distinct cases.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

Why are neither Garp nor Dadan (nor both) options to have left those three cups? Why MUST Sabo be the only option to have left them there?

Because it was supposed to be a secret between the 3 of them, their private bonding ritual. So it's natural to assume Sabo is the only one who would know. Also, those 3 cups would mean nothing to Garp or Dadan. If they were going to put some memento on Ace's grave, they would probably put something connecting them and Ace, not something they don't have anything to do with.

Aside the fact that there's no hint or anything that would suggest anyone but Ace, Luffy and Sabo knew anything about their shared drinks. Unless Ace stole the bottle and 3 cups from Dadan's house and then she pieced the evidence together and decided to go to New World to visit Ace's grave after she heard he had died, so she can put the bottle and 3 cups on his grave.

We know Oda doesn't put these kinds of hints for luls.

 

[Grodus]

Re: One Piece 723 Spoiler Discussion

The databooks are not written by Oda from what I know. Insteas ge put plenty hints in the manga that he is alive. But yeah this is off topic.

About Sanji health ; the fact that he was beaten by Violet or Vergo is of no importance, One Piece is a shonen....

Actually k-dom, Oda DOES write the Databooks. He confirmed Sabo is dead. I don't know where you're getting these non-existent hints.

Which is why it's rather ignorant to say that Gladius is Sabo. He's a new, original character, not Sabo.

 

[M3J]

Re: One Piece 723 Discussion/ 724 Prediction

Don't care for the databooks, Oda did hint at Sabo possibly being alive. Until it's confirmed in the manga, his death isn't canon. Screw the databooks, they don't have complete information, just what's shown in the manga.

If Oda does switch back to Block D and make us suffer through Rebecca's fight, I will hate Rebecca. -_-

 

[Grodus]

Re: One Piece 723 Discussion/ 724 Prediction

Don't care for the databooks, Oda did hint at Sabo possibly being alive. Until it's confirmed in the manga, his death isn't canon. Screw the databooks, they don't have complete information, just what's shown in the manga.

If Oda does switch back to Block D and make us suffer through Rebecca's fight, I will hate Rebecca. -_-

Then you're ignoring what Oda said. He already confirmed Sabo's death in the manga, in Luffy's flashback. Oda made the Databooks to supplement his manga and they're canon.

All this "Sabo is alive" nonsense is fanon, not canon.

Also this:

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Speculations#Sabo_survived.21

I don't see why it's so hard to accept that Oda confirmed Sabo's death.

In fact this Sabo obsession comes pretty close to being a fanwank:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FanWank

It bugs me so much because it's blatantly ignorant to deny or ignore what the author has said. I understand that some of you want Sabo to be alive, but Oda said and shown that he's dead. Accept it and move on!

 

[M3J]

Re: One Piece 723 Discussion/ 724 Prediction

Then you're ignoring what Oda said. He already confirmed Sabo's death in the manga, in Luffy's flashback. Oda made the Databooks to supplement his manga and they're canon.

Where did he confirm that? Did we see the body? Did we see anything to confirm his death? We saw the ship explode, and then Dragon bringing a body onto the ship. Nowhere has it been confirmed Sabo is dead.

I don't care what he did with the databooks. Again, they don't have full information. If they do, then tell me what happens to Sanji after he fights Doflamingo. Are there any new characters that join the Strawhat crews in the next few arcs? Do the databooks state this? I'm willing to bet the databooks even changed or added information as the series progressed.

All this "Sabo is alive" nonsense is fanon, not canon.

Theory, not "fanon."

Also this:

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Mythbusters/Speculations#Sabo_survived.21

I don't see why it's so hard to accept that Oda confirmed Sabo's death.

Because he didn't. I want to see it in the manga itself, not the databook that can be changed.

It bugs me so much because it's blatantly ignorant to deny or ignore what the author has said. I understand that some of you want Sabo to be alive, but Oda said and shown that he's dead. Accept it and move on!

I don't care if Sabo's dead or alive, but nothing points to him being dead. Based on what the flashback revealed, Dragon could have saved Sabo.

Again, prove otherwise without using databooks if you can. If you can't, then yeah, good game.

 

[Schabrak]

Re: One Piece 723 Discussion/ 724 Prediction

Then you're ignoring what Oda said. He already confirmed Sabo's death in the manga, in Luffy's flashback. Oda made the Databooks to supplement his manga and they're canon.

All this "Sabo is alive" nonsense is fanon, not canon.

The "Greg" already confirmed One Piece Deep Blue to be "full" of mistakes, and his opinion is worth more than a random editor from WSJ. :P

Actually there is a reason to believe in him being alive due to the "rescued" talk from Ivankov/Dragon and the three cup gravestone Cover Story page. The hints from the original tankobom manga > any data book.

Also, fanfiction, not fanon. :/ Are you trying to degrade it for some reason? oO

Remember Pell? He is the reason why no character is dead until we see a corpse. It's One Piece 101.

 

[Grodus]

Re: One Piece 723 Discussion/ 724 Prediction

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...a=X&ei=fMlMUsSJOsGsiAL9iIHICQ&ved=0CFcQ9QEwBQ

This link is to the part in "One Piece Green" that confirms Sabo's death. Denying that is sheer willful ignorance. The whole reason I brought this up is because a few of you are claiming that Gladius is Sabo, which is wrong. These "theories", which are fanon no matter how you rationalize it, make no sense whatsoever because Oda said himself that Sabo is dead. We didn't see his body, but other characters in the chapter were saying he's dead. Until Oda says otherwise, Sabo is dead.

@M3J - I'm only using the information that Oda provides. There's nothing cryptic about it. You're being ridiculously purist about it with your "only the manga counts" approach. The Databooks are a part of the canon. Oda writes them to fill in the gaps he left out in the manga. You want Sabo alive to fulfill your fanwanking fantasies. It's pretty sad that you'll go as far as saying that Oda himself is wrong, nevermind that he clearly said Sabo is dead.