Shounen Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Minato speed would be too much for I agree, but his barrage of attacks has a limit, he's not a stamina powerhouse.

And they weren't about to get digested, Itachi blew a hole in the wall of the Frog. They could have easily stayed and killed him. Hell Itachi could have summoned Sussano like he did against Nagato and ended everything by himself.

yea susanoo would be a problem for jaraiya unless he summoned giant frogs or was in sage mode

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Sasuke punched a hole through Naruto chest cavity destroying muscle, bones, and most importantly one of his lungs and maybe part of his heart and Naruto regenerated fully.

He's got regeneration, so does Bee, hence why his skin grows back after burning it off down to the muscle when going Version 2.0.

well i guess increased healing time and regeneration arent that different, except for completely restoring destroyed organs

so im not gonna disagree with that as you are probably right

its been forever since i read that

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i really dont care if you block me, however that seems like a cowards method of avoiding adversity

but tsunades healing could not keep up with a continuous chain of attacks

its not like shes majin boo

I wouldn't be avoiding adversity, I just don't like debating people who lack common sense or who are so biased they are blind to other opinions. Sorry to say some people on this site garner more respect and attention than others.

As for Tsuande's healing, it remains to be seen. She fought Madara while taking heavy injuries and was fine. She's a damn resistant shinobi with a seal that makes her practically immortal.

Minato using a kunai wouldn't do shit, he'd just be cutting her.

If he wants to do real damage he needs to use a Rasengan. And let's not forget, he has to stay there to let it grind into her. He can't just leave it. Meaning she could tank it and hit him and kill him. You can't deny that that is a possibility.

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yea susanoo would be a problem for jaraiya unless he summoned giant frogs or was in sage mode

The Sword of Totsuka renders everything in front of it useless, even Sage Mode. A surprise attack like the one Itachi laid on Nagato would spell doom for Jiraiya or for that matter anyone. It's the deadliest attack in the manga IMO you can't stop it, the sword is ethereal in nature.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

you have insulted me at least three times in this conversation

yet i only insulted you once which got deleted

not sure why you continue to insult me because we dont agree, but it exposes your own insecurity more than it hurts my feelings so to save some face you may want to stop

and i do not believe me arguing that minato could defeat and kill tsunade is nearly as farfetched or lacking common sense or devoid of logic as you say it is

infact i believe 99% of the posters on this board would agree with me, even those who cannot stand minato

and in sage mode it would be very difficult for itachi to strike jaraiya with the toskah sword or any other attack honestly

jman only lost to pain because he was outnumbered and had no idea about the ressurection jutsu

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

you have insulted me at least three times in this conversation

yet i only insulted you once which got deleted

not sure why you continue to insult me because we dont agree, but it exposes your own insecurity more than it hurts my feelings so to save some face you may want to stop

and i do not believe me arguing that minato could defeat and kill tsunade is nearly as farfetched or lacking common sense or devoid of logic as you say it is

infact i believe 99% of the posters on this board would agree with me, even those who cannot stand minato

I never insulted you I made a general statement. There's a difference. You are biased you admitted as much yourself.

I have nothing to be insecure about debating a manga at 1 in the morning with a stranger. So your assumptions about me are very off lol.

And it wasn't so much that you said he could beat her, but how you said he'd go about doing it, by cutting her throat.

I gave you examples of shinobi who suffered much more dangerous injuries and lived. Not to mention with her seal Tsuande has a healing factor that is near instant. Her own student Sakura had this type of healing ability all the way back when she fought Sasori. Kabuto had the same type of thing when fighting Naruto. Yet you claim Tsuande would die from a cut to throat?

Then you tried to talk about the real world consequences of getting your throat cut, and I informed you about the correct way blood flows to the brain just by googling it.

IMO, if you wanted to make an argument about Minato defeating Tsuande, he'd have to mark her like he did Obito, and instead of coming down with the Rasengan to her back, do it to her head, grinding it until her brain was mush thus assuring she is dead.

That is a way for Minato to kill Tsuande, and with that I'll gladly say he could do it.

But you never said that

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

well i took "debating with someone who posts nothing but nonsense" and "posting with someone with no common sense" as insults

no hard feelings though

if you believe minato is so incapable of execution.... thats your opinion

which you are entitled to

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Getting out of Izanami isn't just about "knowing who you are", its about accepting your fate and the consequences of your actions.

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/587/6

Basically you have to accept defeat to get out of Izanami, something that was used to teach humility to those who thought of themselves as invincible thanks to Izanagi.

To get out of the loop, Minato would basically need to surrender and aknowledge he got beaten. Itachi told this to Kabuto, but the latter refused to accept his deafeat and thus keeps on fighting the illusion. Thing is, Itachi told this to Kabuto because he wanted to save him... he would have no reason to do the same if its a deathmatch with Minato.

Itachi would have plenty of time to strike a killing blow before Minato figures out how to get out of that loop.

Itachi : A jutsu with a way to escape it is dangerous and can't be really used during an actual fight. That's why izanami became a kinjutsu.

So how will itachi use that to minato? Minato isn't trying to become someone, yah know? So that iznami will dissolves instantly.

Itachi already admitted that it can't be used during an actual fight. That izanami was created to counter the izanagi/uchiha.

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

well i took "debating with someone who posts nothing but nonsense" and "posting with someone with no common sense" as insults

no hard feelings though

if you believe minato is so incapable of execution.... thats your opinion

which you are entitled to

Well I just told you how I think he's capable of killing her just not in the way you described. A kunai is a kunai, how in the world some fans think Minato's Kunai is like a fucking lightsaber capable of cutting through anything is beyond me.

I don't t a Rasengan to the head via Hirashin 2.0 work on anyone else other Kisame of all the people I listed though. Has an inside shot of working on Hashirama but he's got a lot to stop such an attack with included Sage Mode.

 

[marshall313]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/589/6

This scan really made my theory really possible. That everything that sasuke was shown in that fight was actually happened in the izanagi world. juts look at the other views of the cave, you can't see any damage at all.

I think it wasn't just kabuto who was being caught in an endless loop of izanami, it goes the same to sasuke and itachi's fans. They also being caught in that genjutsu for believing that sasuke did showcase his new EMS power/ability/amaterasu.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Well I just told you how I think he's capable of killing her just not in the way you described. A kunai is a kunai, how in the world some fans think Minato's Kunai is like a fucking lightsaber capable of cutting through anything is beyond me.

I don't t a Rasengan to the head via Hirashin 2.0 work on anyone else other Kisame of all the people I listed though. Has an inside shot of working on Hashirama but he's got a lot to stop such an attack with included Sage Mode.

if someone is good enough with a kunai they can certainly end lives with
it

unless the on being cut is like kimimaro or someone else who defies human anatomy

 

[moonking]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Minato beats orochimaru without the ET summons. Once he marked oro he can rasengan him any time. Continuous rasengan to the head kills oro. Anko once said if minato was alive he could have beaten oro.

Minato defeats tsunade easily. Rasengan to the head bye2x tsunade. This fight can't even go in 1 minute if minato's intent is to kill.
Depending on the battle scenes minato stands a chance to anyone. His reflexes are too great that raikage's lightning speed didn't do shit, while they individually almost massacred sasuke.
Izanami can't take out minato. He is not like kabuto who can't accept who he is and still seek oro's image.

With minato's outings with the tag team(raikage said he fought him numerous times), minato was still alive and fresh. The two didn't manage to kill him.
Now what about if their battles did not happen then we post a thread 'minato vs bee & raikage'. yes people will tell immediately the tag team wins anytime because killer bee as a jinchuriki and raikage's speed and lightning strikes will be too much for minato to handle. The people will then be listing things that will oppose minato. But look what happened. Minato toyed with them and the raikage was looking like an idiot charging to an unhittable target. That's why minato has a chance to any fight. Though dead, he can also kill anyone with the death god jutsu if the cards are really awful.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

If Oro gets marked he just pukes out a fresh body and the mark is gone.

The rest has been refuted so many times already... I don't even feel like going into it anymore.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

oro couldnt even beat an old sarutobi
sure oro lived and saru died

but its not like oro whooped his ass

saru just couldnt finish the seal

minato in his prime >>>>> an 80 yo saru

 

[moonking]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Before orochimaru goes for another body he's dead by rasengan to the head. Obito's half turned to ass when kicked by minato's rasengan. That can happen to oro too before he can use another body. hiraishin is faster than oro's body replacement jutsu.

 

[LnDRash]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Yeah... like Obito died when he got one of Naruto's Rasengans straight to the face? Orochimaru already took one of Tsunades punches straight to the jaw (unlike the Rasengan those are stated to be one hit kills) and it didn't do much.

Oro's head means shit. In case you guys forgot: he's a giant spliced parasitic snake that inhabits host bodies and can be barfed out from the mouth. His stomach is probably more vital to him then that cerebral matter inside a skull which technically isn't even his own.

The guy can even exist as nothing else but chakra (although only for limited time).

 

[Delbi]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

oro couldnt even beat an old sarutobi
sure oro lived and saru died

but its not like oro whooped his ass

saru just couldnt finish the seal

minato in his prime >>>>> an 80 yo saru

And in that fight what did Orochimaru actually do that was impressive? Nothing at all. He summoned two crappy Edo's and sat back and watched. Sarturobi was a Hokage for a reason, but he still failed to beat his former student who was hardly going all out. If he was, things like his Hydra Technique would have been used but weren't.

And Sarturobi wasn't 80 but 63 I believe. He couldn't do any damage to Orochimaru so he had to resort to killing himself and then even failed.

If you want to say Minato can use the Death God to beat Orochimaru that's fine and valid, but he's going to kill himself doing so.

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Minato beats orochimaru without the ET summons. Once he marked oro he can rasengan him any time. Continuous rasengan to the head kills oro. Anko once said if minato was alive he could have beaten oro.

Minato defeats tsunade easily. Rasengan to the head bye2x tsunade. This fight can't even go in 1 minute if minato's intent is to kill.
Depending on the battle scenes minato stands a chance to anyone. His reflexes are too great that raikage's lightning speed didn't do shit, while they individually almost massacred sasuke.
Izanami can't take out minato. He is not like kabuto who can't accept who he is and still seek oro's image.

With minato's outings with the tag team(raikage said he fought him numerous times), minato was still alive and fresh. The two didn't manage to kill him.
Now what about if their battles did not happen then we post a thread 'minato vs bee & raikage'. yes people will tell immediately the tag team wins anytime because killer bee as a jinchuriki and raikage's speed and lightning strikes will be too much for minato to handle. The people will then be listing things that will oppose minato. But look what happened. Minato toyed with them and the raikage was looking like an idiot charging to an unhittable target. That's why minato has a chance to any fight. Though dead, he can also kill anyone with the death god jutsu if the cards are really awful.

Minato still retreated though. He could never hurt Raikage and Bee has regenerative abilities thanks to be a Jinchuriki. That was a stand still, Minato wasn't going to win anything.

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if someone is good enough with a kunai they can certainly end lives with
it

unless the on being cut is like kimimaro or someone else who defies human anatomy

Yea, end lives of fodder, not of Kage level shinobi with advanced defensive techniques.

The Third and Fourth Raikage, Naruto, Hashirama, Kimimaro, Kisame, Kakazu, hell even Kiddiamaro aren't going to be killed by a simple kunai. It's a sharp knife, not a lightsaber.

 

[benelori]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Are we actually debating Oro vs Minato?

It takes Oro less then a second to escape from the body and go into White Snake mode...how will Minato defeat him then? Oro's blood has a paralyzing effect, how can Minato counter that? He doesn't even know it's coming...

The only thing beating Oro in this manga is a bloodline limit hax and Minato doesn't have that...

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Are we actually debating Oro vs Minato?

It takes Oro less then a second to escape from the body and go into White Snake mode...how will Minato defeat him then? Oro's blood has a paralyzing effect, how can Minato counter that? He doesn't even know it's coming...

The only thing beating Oro in this manga is a bloodline limit hax and Minato doesn't have that...

oros beloved 80s hairband mode (whitesnake lol)

wasnt even enough to stop a pre-MS sasuke

so you guys mean to tell me you think minato couldnt beat sasuke before he got mangyko sharingan?

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And in that fight what did Orochimaru actually do that was impressive? Nothing at all. He summoned two crappy Edo's and sat back and watched. Sarturobi was a Hokage for a reason, but he still failed to beat his former student who was hardly going all out. If he was, things like his Hydra Technique would have been used but weren't.

And Sarturobi wasn't 80 but 63 I believe. He couldn't do any damage to Orochimaru so he had to resort to killing himself and then even failed.

If you want to say Minato can use the Death God to beat Orochimaru that's fine and valid, but he's going to kill himself doing so.

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Minato still retreated though. He could never hurt Raikage and Bee has regenerative abilities thanks to be a Jinchuriki. That was a stand still, Minato wasn't going to win anything.

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Yea, end lives of fodder, not of Kage level shinobi with advanced defensive techniques.

The Third and Fourth Raikage, Naruto, Hashirama, Kimimaro, Kisame, Kakazu, hell even Kiddiamaro aren't going to be killed by a simple kunai. It's a sharp knife, not a lightsaber.

minato would have had his hands full with bee and the raikage together

one on one i believe he could take either if them
though he would still have a hard time with both 1 v 1

not the best mathuo for minato but he could still beat them

 

[M3J]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

Are we actually debating Oro vs Minato?

It takes Oro less then a second to escape from the body and go into White Snake mode...how will Minato defeat him then? Oro's blood has a paralyzing effect, how can Minato counter that? He doesn't even know it's coming...

The only thing beating Oro in this manga is a bloodline limit hax and Minato doesn't have that...

But normal Orochimaru, the one that was owned by Itachi and before, would probably lose to Minato. It's already obvious that Minato would lose to White Snake Orochimaru.

 

[REN KOUEN]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

i know i pump minato up

but in all honesty here is the list of guys i dont think he would beat

RS
juubito
hashirama
madara (though he could possibly pull it.off)
sage mode kabuto
full health nagato (not limping around and immobile)
honestly probably itachi (though this could be a hell of a fight)
thats about it


im pretty sure minato wins against anyone else

period

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But normal Orochimaru, the one that was owned by Itachi and before, would probably lose to Minato. It's already obvious that Minato would lose to White Snake Orochimaru.

white snake oro couldnt beat pre-MS sasuke

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and if we are talking fox cloak minato

i believe he stands a chace of beating anyone, except the RS

 

[syx]

Re: Naruto Hangout Thread v.12 - Part 1

oros beloved 80s hairband mode (whitesnake lol)

wasnt even enough to stop a pre-MS sasuke

so you guys mean to tell me you think minato couldnt beat sasuke before he got mangyko sharingan?

[Chapter #363 - njt]
Sasuke:
Orochimaru was already weakened
That's all it was