Discussion Awakened Devil Fruits

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The two awakenings are different, if you look at:

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/3

It says that hodi strength was enhanced by his new awakened strength. I think this means that he took so many pills that his strength was increased. Chopper took a lot of rumble balls and now he doesn't need it to go into his six forms. Besides, corcidile was talking about "awakened zoan fruit users" and hodi has not eaten any devil fruit.
 

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i think monster point is chopper's awakened form. he just doesn't have the control to enter it naturally yet, so it draws on his stamina.
I was tempted to add chopper to the list of awakened fighters but refrained from doing so for two reasons....first monster point has not shown any of the rapid recovery from injury Hodi and the demon guards have displayed.If anything Monster point seemed to continually injure choppers body.....and second Chopper could revert back to his original form after monster point while it doesn't seem hodi and the demon guards could hence i think the term awakened.


The two awakenings are different, if you look at:

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/3

It says that hodi strength was enhanced by his new awakened strength. I think this means that he took so many pills that his strength was increased. Chopper took a lot of rumble balls and now he doesn't need it to go into his six forms. Besides, corcidile was talking about "awakened zoan fruit users" and hodi has not eaten any devil fruit.

While it is true Crocodile was talking about awakened zoans of which Hodi is not we did not get an explanation as to how these zoans got awakened in the first place...leaving room for speculation that ES is responsible and possibly by extension the world govt.

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In the latest chapter we see everyone take note of how the awakened Hody keeps recovering very quickly after taking hit after hard hit from luffy including COA imbued punches...This theory is getting more and more plausable chapter after chapter IMHO.
 

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I just had a thought as of what an awakened zoan could be. At times it has been suggested that zoan's personality is influenced by the fruit they consumed, for example chopper mentioned carnivorous zoans were more vicious than other zoans. What if an "awakened" zoan is someone whose animal "awakened" and took over control of the body? The ID guards seemed hardly intelligent and unable to talk for the most part and their forms were somewhat different from other hybrid forms we have seen. It would make sense that their inner animal or whatnot took control over them and gave them that permanent hybrid form of sorts in exchange for more power.
 

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Well, the pills can be an upgraded version of how Zoan works (I mean something like substance-extract to reproduce similar effects) and knowing how Government works, it can be very plausible.

I find curious using the same word, I wonder if the kanji used is the same and not just a translation coincidence.
 

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I just had a thought as of what an awakened zoan could be. At times it has been suggested that zoan's personality is influenced by the fruit they consumed, for example chopper mentioned carnivorous zoans were more vicious than other zoans. What if an "awakened" zoan is someone whose animal "awakened" and took over control of the body? The ID guards seemed hardly intelligent and unable to talk for the most part and their forms were somewhat different from other hybrid forms we have seen. It would make sense that their inner animal or whatnot took control over them and gave them that permanent hybrid form of sorts in exchange for more power.
this is an actual possibilty....its also possible that this process was helped along by the drugs in question.really until we know the true source of ES it will always be highly likely that it is responsible for both awakenings and as a result that the govt. could very well be involved
 

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It's an interesting thought...I guess we could witness and gain more information about this in the coming chapters considering Chopper revealed his Monster Point form within his own control. I'm curious to know whether we'll get an explaination from that which COULD potentially reveal more to us whether there is some kind of alternative to these "awakening" users...maybe there are various kinds of pills. Ones for Fishmen specifically and ones for DF users...even for just "normal" humans??

To me atm, it doesn't look like it'll happen. The rumble ball is unique solely to Chopper so...I would've expected a reference to any kind of pill that could "boost" a DF users abilities already. Come to think of it, I would actually like to see Van Der Decken swallow a pill... so we could see what the implications would be.
 

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if you notice, zoan devil fruits have basic forms

1) pre-df species
2) df-granted species
3) hybrid, that mixes some good and bad aspects from each


trivia: btw i was the one who wrote the zoan df article ages ago, and it took me many tries to finally settle on 'pre-df specis' and 'df-granted'. just wanted you guys to know who wrote that and how hard it is to coin phrases such as these. not sure if it's been changed, but so there. i also wrote a huge majority of luffy's gear powers 4-5 years back, including the part 'equipping him with a mace of astounding mass'

anyway, let's take point forms out of the equation. i think they're just interpolations of transition between the first two states.

let's say we have a tomato, who eats a durian fruit.

1) tomato
2) durian
3) durato? tomian?

point forms would thus be:
maybe domato? durito (lol)? dumato?

hybrid would be either durato or tomian

now awakened forms seem to be not a mixture of both, but a COMBINATION of both.

instead of durato or tomian, we get duriantomato or tomatodurian, or dutorimaanto.

existing in this state requires them to be BOTH a full pre-df specie and a full df-granted specie at the same time. this would drain a lot on their stamina, as you're using up twice the stamina it takes to operate as any single specie. but if well regulated, the user also has access to twice the amount of basic faculties, such as healing, instead of just the BETTER of both, without the detriment of stamina drain.

This is like the strength factor, imagine if a human has a strength of 10 douriki, and a tiger has the strength of 15 douriki, going into hybrid merely selects the best of both, which is 15, whilst going into awakened mode combines both, into a total of 25. if their bodies are not used to it, however, they only have the stamina/nutrients to feed one single specie's actions, then they get drained very quickly. it also explains why chopper and the demon guards lose their mental faculties, because htye're running low on nutrients in the high-nutrient-drain form. this is similar to how people who are not used to exercise go sprinting for a few kilometres/miles and feel giddy after with a near non-operational brain

IMHO, that would be awakened zoan devil fruits. This is my hypothesis thus far.

edit: edited the durian/tomato text so it makes it easier to see
 
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This term "awakened users" has now been used twice in the manga: first in Impel down by crocodile while talking about the demon guardshttp://www.mangareader.net/103-2651-12/one-piece/chapter-544.html and recently by Daruma in reference to Hody's new formhttp://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/78589100/4....Interstingly both awakened users display similar characteristics: tough,resilient and recover fast from injuries.This leads me to believe that maybe the pills Hody and co. are using are not really new to OP just unmentioned..and if in fact they are what awakened the zoan users of impel down, what is the govt. involvement in this mess in FI or with Hodi or simply with the pills. I think its an interesting titbit in a manga famous for foreshadowing...what do u guys think?
You might be on to something, caus Zeo got them from SOMEWHERE so what if they got them from some navy or human pirates.
And maybe the WG gave them caus they knew some fishmen couldn't resist and the WG/NAvy knew the side effect
so they would destroy themselves since they were comrades of Whitebeard and since Jimbei isn't part of the Shibukai anymore they're relations probably have worsened.
 

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I don't actually think we should compare those two cases, because awakened Zoans and this state Hody and Hyozou had were totally different.
Actually I would say it's just a word and we don't need to overthink it. Luffy also awakened Haki and Coby too, so they are also "awakened users"?:)
It's just that Hodi and Hyozou awakened new level of strength with those pills and at some point even Hodi's body mutated and transformed, but thre is nothing more to it.
 

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I appreciate the theory and discussion, but I consider the term to be loosely applied and not intended to provide another mystery or layer to the story.
Perhaps not so in the case of Zoan users though. I find it interesting to consider that an "awakened" Zoan user would mean that they have become one with their transformation. I speculate that Chopper will be the one to unlock the secret of this, and I suspect that he has gotten halfway there by mastering his Beserker form.

I don't consider the pills to be anything special. Just a plot device to avoid a complete stomping of the NFP. If they weren't using them, not even Oda could have stretched those fights any longer than they were already.
 

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Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Oda opened a world of new possibilities by introducing the "awakening" level for devil fruits based on Chapter 785 spoilers. While pondering about what Luffy's awakening level might be like (turning walls into rubber for added power or turning weapons into rubber, etc) there is something that crossed my mind: Has Whitebeard been displaying the awakened version of his Quake Quake no mi? I'm irked on this for three reasons.

1) Whitebeard was the oldest Yonko alive. Wouldn't it be weird if such a powerful figure would not have been able to reach awakening level for his DF? Why would he not use it during such an important battle as Marineford?
2) Whitebeard could have been displaying the awakening version of Quake-Quake No Mi already
3) Oda: Whoops!

Maybe before the awakening, Whitebeard might not have been able to smack the air and causing an "air quake." But based on the spoilers alone, it seems you don't have to touch the object you want to affect with awakening. I see a panel showing Luffy flying forward (Sanji Style) while the buildings next to him is turning to strings.

It would be sort of hax imo if a DF user can telepathically somehow manipulating their surroundings with their DF characteristics. If contact is required to manipulate an object, I would guess that Doffy would touch, for example, a wall with his string in order to imbue it with his DF traits.

Maybe CoC is required to "conquer" an object which allows for it to be manipulated?

I can't wait till' we find out the conditions for awakening level. It would be nice if Oda can explain awakening and whether there were other DF users who already displayed their awakening.
 
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Awakened Devil Fruits

Well there might as well be a thread on this so here it is. If mingo says one must see all the evil in the world blah blah I'm on a whole new level than you blah blah in order to awaken your df powers, then I am guessing like most of the rest of us, that there is waaay much more to this. Why do I have the feeling that this may tie into the initial "D"? Luffy isn't evil. At this rate, the manga probably won't make him evil in the future so in order to unlock this power, he needs to be a devil... if "D" stood for devil that is. Now I am not saying having such a initial will help you unlock it but maybe it is a criteria/way that mingo does not know of. Either way I think "D" has something to do with all this. But I digress. Instead of having everyone sift through the spoiler discussions why don't we just share our hypothesis and theories here?
 
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What exactly is DF Awakening?

I'm inclined to believe it's gonna be a similar situation to Haki in that we have seen it before and perhaps the admirals and higher level fighters (like Marco) all use it or have 'awakened' but it just hasn't been named till now. It could be that once a DF user has awakened, they are immensely powerful and maybe that's how the yonko/admirals manage to stay at the top (well, the ones with DFs anyway)
 
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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

I think Awakening was already showed before but it wasn't introduced yet. Just like Haki: Mantra in Skypiea, Shanks getting aboard Whitebird's ship, Rayleigh touching Kizaru, Luffy's CoC... After it was introduced it explained all of these.
Now that Awakening was introduced we can suppose some attacks with DF were some sort of it but we gotta wait for an explanation from Oda, through a character who knows it, so that we can find examples of it in the past: Mangellan's Denom Venom, Enel's God of Thunder, Aokiji's Ice Age (in theory) but they could also just be simple attacks.
I think Oda should just explain it after this battle is over.

Despite that this is my first post here. I'm hoping to help and have fun in here :)
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

what i'm sure of that Brook got the awakening during his 2 years training ..

check this chapter
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/4

he can control other people souls ! let them see what he wants them to see !

in other words .. he can control now (his soul alone) by letting it move outside his body

but he can also control the souls of people around him ..
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

what i'm sure of that Brook got the awakening during his 2 years training ..

check this chapter
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/635/4

he can control other people souls ! let them see what he wants them to see !

in other words .. he can control now (his soul alone) by letting it move outside his body

but he can also control the souls of people around him ..
Nah, alhatmy. What brook did is called Hypnotism. Just like what Jango does. You don't do anything to their souls, you just mess up their brain and they will see what brook wants them to see.
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Luffy's awakening:


Oxygen + something something = rubber!

It just happens that the atmosphere & oceans have lots of Oxygen you know.

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On the other hand, Sengoku's df is off the limit in the awakening state without any doubt.
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Seriously, can't imagine Luffy turning surrounding objects into rubber. His attacks are quite straightforward. He should fight with fists :)

What he might come up with on the other hand is become an ultimate version of rubber himself. Like what can rubber do? Right, if you throw something at it it will most likely bounce off.

What if an awakened Luffy would repel ANY kind of attack? Or perhaps he would be able to absorb an energy from opponent's attack and direct it wherever he wants...

Anyhow, I have more interest in finding out what some other fruits are capable of when awakened. Buggy's version of Senbonzakura Kageyoshi may very well become true :D
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Well awakening (Paramecia at least) might not just simply be turning things into their DF type. I think awakening is just attaining a more powerful version of the DF and once awakened, they remain so. DD's awakened his DF so he has access to more powerful moves and all. Him turning things into strings might not be something everyone can replicate because DFs vary. It could very well be that his parasite string is possible because his DF has awakened. If so, then Luffy awakening might not necessarily mean that he turns things into rubber, just that he would elevate his DF to a higher level and thus would be capable of more powerful moves in all.
 

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Re: Awakening of Devil Fruit Powers

Well awakening (Paramecia at least) might not just simply be turning things into their DF type. I think awakening is just attaining a more powerful version of the DF and once awakened, they remain so. DD's awakened his DF so he has access to more powerful moves and all. Him turning things into strings might not be something everyone can replicate because DFs vary. It could very well be that his parasite string is possible because his DF has awakened. If so, then Luffy awakening might not necessarily mean that he turns things into rubber, just that he would elevate his DF to a higher level and thus would be capable of more powerful moves in all.
We can already say that the effects of the awakening is different depending on the type of the DF. Even if it's really the same for all the Paramecia, as in them being able to turn their surroundings into the element of the DF, it will not be the same between two users. To me it could be that Luffy will use it more efficiently, in a way that fits his style of fighting. DD used it mostly to create waves that chased Luffy around. Luffy is more direct in his approach, and rather than just use his surroundings to fight from a distance, he could use the properties of rubber to his advantage to power up his gears for example. That I'm interested in seeing.
All in all I think we haven't seen enough of the awakening to really judge, right now it doesn't seem that powerful, but who knows against stronger DFs like the Gura Gura the effects could be devastating.
 
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