Discussion Shanks Vs Kaido, what really happened?

[kkck]

What gives you the impression that Shanks would back away from a fight with Kaidou when he was willing to fight everyone in Marineford... some who he had no reason to fight nor knew who they were. Just because he chose not to fight in the flashback does not mean that is his characters trait. Kaidou was going after WB and Shanks was going to stop him. If a reason is required for Shanks, then there it is. He wasn't going to let Kaidou advance.

My point is whether shanks has a reason to fight or not. Would he appear at marineford or confront kaido for the lolz? Of course not. Would he confront the people at the war to stop them from further fights or prevent kaido from meeting WB for some reason? Would shanks engage kaido if kaido just randomly wanted a war with him? Provided the stakes are only to fight or not then odds are shanks would back away.

 

[jaymizzo]

My point is whether shanks has a reason to fight or not. Would he appear at marineford or confront kaido for the lolz? Of course not. Would he confront the people at the war to stop them from further fights or prevent kaido from meeting WB for some reason? Would shanks engage kaido if kaido just randomly wanted a war with him? Provided the stakes are only to fight or not then odds are shanks would back away.

He had a reason to fight, which was established a long time ago. I dont really see where most of this is coming from.

 

[kkck]

He had a reason to fight, which was established a long time ago. I dont really see where most of this is coming from.

Of course he does, thats not my point, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. My point is simply that shanks would rather avoid a fight where there is no reason to fight. He obviously had reason to intercept kaido and appear at the war. However even at the war fighting was his second option.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Of course he does, thats not my point, you are misunderstanding what I am saying. My point is simply that shanks would rather avoid a fight where there is no reason to fight. He obviously had reason to intercept kaido and appear at the war. However even at the war fighting was his second option.

I think it's just the way you worded your previous post that seemed to imply that Shanks backed away from Kaido, then ran off to Marineford. Misunderstanding on my part at least, lol.

 

[M3J]

People seem to severely underestimate Shanks. Just because he doesn't go around jumping of Islands or can't tilt Marineford and doesn't go by some scary or epic title, doesn't mean he cant be OP.


If the recent info on Kaido is any indication, he wanted to challenge Whitebeard to die - seeing as WB was realistically the only one who could kill him (at least thats my interpretation). Shanks wanted to stop the war, not save Whitebeard.

No one said that, I think. Nothing wrong with running away from a fight to focus on something more important. No Yonkou would fight each other because even if one of them won, it wouldn't be without significant losses, in which another Yonkou or Marines could capitalize on. Shanks seems to be powerful enough that he became a Yonkou with one arm and had Whitebeard's respect, as well as Sengoku's.

Weird, as he could have challenged Whitebeard ages prior to current event. Would be weird challenging Whitebeard AND the Marines, that would just give them more ammunition to take out the Whitebeard pirates.

I thought he wanted to save Ace and help Whitebeard.

 

[MBVC]

Shanks' 1st mate told Kaidou an awesome killer suicide technique which could end his life hence Kaidou went somewhere and tried it, that was why the red hair pirate came to the war earlier than expected and the entire crew seemed 100% ready for 2nd war stage if Sengoku decided to continue fighting further.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I think Shanks and Kaido just stalemated; Kaido's aim afterall was to fight with Whitebeard and since things didn't progress much, they most likely called it a day while Kaido returned to plan for his smiley army incase Whitebeard died.

Also, if Kaido lost, it would also have been on the news along with Whitebeard's and Ace's deaths; stalemate seems a more appropriate and realsitic ending to the scenario.

 

[Zehahaha]

Also, if Kaido lost, it would also have been on the news along with Whitebeard's and Ace's deaths; stalemate seems a more appropriate and realsitic ending to the scenario.

More than that, if Kaido lost, you think Shanks and the rest would've arrived in Marinford in such perfect shape ?
Shanks is quite diplomatic, I think he just used the right words against him and that's it really

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

More than that, if Kaido lost, you think Shanks and the rest would've arrived in Marinford in such perfect shape ?
Shanks is quite diplomatic, I think he just used the right words against him and that's it really

Can't imagine Kaido would actually be diplomatic; we saw how Jack just attacked a convoy with 2 Admirals and 3-4 Vice-Admirals.

If Jack isn't willing to negotiate, I doubt Kaido would be one to comply with negotiations; this is a guy who singlehandedly challenged the WG and Yonko and got captured 18 times; I'd speculate he was captured by 1 on 1 fights 7 times because they said he got defeated as a Pirate 7 times and the remaining 11 times would be fighting against a group or entire fleets for whatever reason.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

Maybe by default Kaido typically isn't willing to negotiate just like his subordinate Captain Jack. However, when you have been intercepted by a freaking Yonko then just perhaps talking things out might be a more feasible solution to fighting. Especially if you're someone (Kaido) who has lost to other Yonko numerous times in the past.

 

[Fox666]

Kaido introduction implied the challenged the other Yonko all by himself, IMO it implies that he is just crazy and probably not willing to negotiate.

 

[jackthai]

More than that, if Kaido lost, you think Shanks and the rest would've arrived in Marinford in such perfect shape ?
Shanks is quite diplomatic, I think he just used the right words against him and that's it really

But the marines stated, after Shanks arrival, that they actually fought and seemed surprised to see him there after that

 

[desin24]

Maybe by default Kaido typically isn't willing to negotiate just like his subordinate Captain Jack. However, when you have been intercepted by a freaking Yonko then just perhaps talking things out might be a more feasible solution to fighting. Especially if you're someone (Kaido) who has lost to other Yonko numerous times in the past.

As you said Shanks and Kaido definitely clashed before that meeting at some given time and Shanks "fought" Whitebeard too and they just split the sky a little.
I actually believe one of the Disasters has to be more of a thinker and strategist. Since a Yonkou rules islands there's gotta be someone who thinks and organizes stuff and maybe that guy was able to chill things a little.
Another possibility could be Shanks saying he will try to go save Whitebeard out of there so Kaido still has someone strong enough to kill him 1v1

 

[Zehahaha]

But the marines stated, after Shanks arrival, that they actually fought and seemed surprised to see him there after that

But do you really believe that Shanks would arrive in top shape if he had fought Kaido before ? Don't forget the incident happened only hours before the execution, not even days

Kaido himself may not be open for negotiations, but pretty sure he must have some subordinates who are smart/tactical, when you look at his crew, it seems organized and everything and then you look at Kaido, and the last thing you can think of is being organized

Don't underestimate Shanks skills too, he's good with his tongue and seems to be the guy who always prefers to solve issues with words rather than violence

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Given what we've seen from Jack, I think it's safe to say that Kaido is the unreasonable type too. If we think about it he wants to start a whole war, just so that he can get what he wants. It shows what kind of person he is. So I doubt he can be reasoned with.The only way to stop him is by making him submit by cheer force.
If Shengao's theory turns out to be true, that Kidd is targetting Shanks because he's one of the stronger Yonko, then I really doubt that he'd have such a hard time dealing with Kaido. Remember he's just hard to kill, not invincible. He lost a couple of times to the other Yonko.
So here's what could have happened. Kaido hearing that WB is going to war, wants to get his last chance at suicide by having WB kill him. After all he is the strongest man, and it makes sense that he'd be able to take on the strongest creature. Shanks learning of Kaido's intentions decides to intervene, since Kaido going after WB could seriously delay Ace's rescue. So he decides to intercept Kaido, but talking with him won't work. So they both clash, and my guess is that Shanks won.He already faced WB and he seems to have come out of it unscathed, so that should be the proof that Shanks is indeed pretty strong.
After the clash, Shanks makes it to Marineford. His mere presence should dissuade the WG, and even BB himself. At that point the Marines were already exhausted from the battle with the WB pirates, so they couldn't simply face another Yonko with his crew. And BB just got what he wanted, so I guess he wasn't willing to take the risk of losing everything by doing something reckless, which would be taking on Shanks and his crew. It's not just about himself, it's also about BB's crew, since I doubt they'll be enough to deal with the red hair pirates.
This is my final prediction about what could have happened between Shanks and Kaido.I think we're getting a lot of hints about Shanks being possibly one of the strongest Yonko(if not the strongest). And Kaido simply isn't invincible, and given how the Kaido pirates act, I really doubt talking with him would solve anything.

 

[Zehahaha]

There's absolutely no way Shanks or any character would come unscathed from a fight against Kaido, even WB in his prime wouldn't pull that
We're not talking about some chump here, but about a Yonko... Shanks may be stronger than him, but Kaido isn't the kind of opponent you can fight without getting a single scratch

Shanks didn't face WB, a mere clash between them isn't what I'd call facing someone, they exchanged one hit with their weapons and that's it... Taking into consideration that Kaido isn't reasonable, you think he's gonna stop once a fight starts vs Shanks ?

It's either this : Fight or no fight, nothing in between. I don't believe there was a fight between them to begin with because as I said, Shanks and his whole crew being in top shape back then completely refutes any possibility of a fight between these two

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

There's absolutely no way Shanks or any character would come unscathed from a fight against Kaido, even WB in his prime wouldn't pull that
We're not talking about some chump here, but about a Yonko... Shanks may be stronger than him, but Kaido isn't the kind of opponent you can fight without getting a single scratch

Shanks didn't face WB, a mere clash between them isn't what I'd call facing someone, they exchanged one hit with their weapons and that's it... Taking into consideration that Kaido isn't reasonable, you think he's gonna stop once a fight starts vs Shanks ?

It's either this : Fight or no fight, nothing in between. I don't believe there was a fight between them to begin with because as I said, Shanks and his whole crew being in top shape back then completely refutes any possibility of a fight between these two

We shall see. I believe they fought.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Maybe by default Kaido typically isn't willing to negotiate just like his subordinate Captain Jack. However, when you have been intercepted by a freaking Yonko then just perhaps talking things out might be a more feasible solution to fighting. Especially if you're someone (Kaido) who has lost to other Yonko numerous times in the past.

This guy was going after Whitebeard at the worst time possible, if anything, he was looking to commit suicide. I don't see how he'd negotiate if he was actually trying to go after Whitebeard when his son was captured and about to be executed, it's like going near a mother protecting her cub.

 

[Franckie]

Consider how Kaidou has slowly been increasing the strength of his army over the years. Why? Because he still lacks the manpower to take down any of the Yonkous. Shanks' motive when they skirmished was to prevent Kaidou from expanding his power and influence. A bloody battle to the death failed to erupt between the two because Kaidou and Shanks had nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if they went all out against each other.

 

[Holt]

Consider how Kaidou has slowly been increasing the strength of his army over the years. Why? Because he still lacks the manpower to take down any of the Yonkous. Shanks' motive when they skirmished was to prevent Kaidou from expanding his power and influence. A bloody battle to the death failed to erupt between the two because Kaidou and Shanks had nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if they went all out against each other.

Kaido is suicidal and is apparently one nut prone to negotiation. If possible, he'd go for the violence route. If not possible, he'd still go for the violence route. It's a bit of a mistake to think kaido is a logical fellow who would consider what he gains or loses. There probably wasn't a battle but it's still a queer situation. Perhaps shanks is just someone pretty much everyone has respect for and kaido decided to leave things or so