Fantasy Erza Scarlet v Jura Neekis

[Shasha23]

And when was that said? It was said the GOI were the strongest before the main cast had shown their strength after 1 year. Makarov had just left Alverez. Unless the had been directly contradicted my point still stands m.

an arc before Natsu beat Jellal they went on an S rank mission and it was pretty much made clear they were no were near being S rank and it was already established by then that WS are the strongest but then Natsu who was not even S class beat a WS, do you get the point now, character statement don't really hold much water in a vs thread, Makarov has never even seen all of them nor has he even seen them release the might of their MP so how would he know if they are equal.

You should try and understand what you read more, when Brandish talked about the 12 she didn't meant they were equal in power but she meant it in general stading of power/ authority not fighting power.
Makarov has never even seen them fight he had only heard about their magic, nor has he even felt the full might of their MP so how does he know they are all equal when he did even know half of them to begin with?

You statement here my friend in null an void, springgan are not all equal as per manga feats and lack of evidence on your part to prove they are!

 

[Crimson Ice]

an arc before Natsu beat Jellal they went on an S rank mission and it was pretty much made clear they were no were near being S rank and it was already established by then that WS are the strongest but then Natsu who was not even S class beat a WS, do you get the point now, character statement don't really hold much water in a vs thread, Makarov has never even seen all of them nor has he even seen them release the might of their MP so how would he know if they are equal.

You should try and understand what you read more, when Brandish talked about the 12 she didn't meant they were equal in power but she meant it in general stading of power/ authority not fighting power.
Makarov has never even seen them fight he had only heard about their magic, nor has he even felt the full might of their MP so how does he know they are all equal when he did even know half of them to begin with?

You statement here my friend in null an void, springgan are not all equal as per manga feats and lack of evidence on your part to prove they are!

Prety sure Phantom was right behind the Jellal arc and it was made clear by Erza Natsu was near her In terms of strength, while any S-Class Akevel opponent Natsu beat he had help. Erza who was an S-Class was also said to be a WS level by Jellal, while Natsy himself got the shit kicked out of him by Jellal and only won via dragon force. None of the statements were contradicted any S-Class or WS Natsu beat he had either help or a temp power up. Makarov had been in Alverez for an entire year and knew some of the Spriggan's powers so to say that he didn't know their powers is a bad assumption. While BRANDISH herself basically says the same thing.

Brandish literally says they are 11 mages like her, LOOK AT THE CONTEXT. She was trying to tell them it was useless because they were 11mages as strong as her. The fact you think that Makarov would have no faith in his guild when ur comes to beating one of the 12 without knowing how strong some of the 12 is s joke.

 

[Shasha23]

Prety sure Phantom was right behind the Jellal arc and it was made clear by Erza Natsu was near her In terms of strength, while any S-Class Akevel opponent Natsu beat he had help. Erza who was an S-Class was also said to be a WS level by Jellal, while Natsy himself got the shit kicked out of him by Jellal and only won via dragon force. None of the statements were contradicted any S-Class or WS Natsu beat he had either help or a temp power up. Makarov had been in Alverez for an entire year and knew some of the Spriggan's powers so to say that he didn't know their powers is a bad assumption. While BRANDISH herself basically says the same thing.

Brandish literally says they are 11 mages like her, LOOK AT THE CONTEXT. She was trying to tell them it was useless because they were 11mages as strong as her. The fact you think that Makarov would have no faith in his guild when ur comes to beating one of the 12 without knowing how strong some of the 12 is s joke.

Dude you are still not getting the point
Let me ask you a simple question, how do you know all the springgan are equal?
and please provide proof that they are equal in everyway.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Dude you are still not getting the point
Let me ask you a simple question, how do you know all the springgan are equal?
and please provide proof that they are equal in everyway.

I am, you tried to point out all the time these say called statements were disapproved by Natsu beating WS and S-Classes but he never overpowered one with his own strength. Never said equal they're all on the same level bar August, Makarov and Brandish already confirmed this.

 

[Shasha23]

I am, you tried to point out all the time these say called statements were disapproved by Natsu beating WS and S-Classes but he never overpowered one with his own strength. Never said equal they're all on the same level bar August, Makarov and Brandish already confirmed this.

They are equal in status not power, and again Makarov doesn't know how strong they all are and as I pointed it out before Brandish said they are equal in standing not fighting power.

There is no proof in the whole manga that shows the springan as equal in fighting power, manga feats show us the are equal in their military power as they are the 12 comanders but in fighting power there is a huge difference between them

 

[BluePegasus]

I am, you tried to point out all the time these say called statements were disapproved by Natsu beating WS and S-Classes but he never overpowered one with his own strength. Never said equal they're all on the same level bar August, Makarov and Brandish already confirmed this.

So you actually think that Ajeel is equal with someone as Di Maria? Di Maria has showed way more impressive feats than Ajeel. Erza could keep up with Ajeel, but do you think she can keep up with Di Maria as well? Erza would be one shotted once she is up against Di Maria on her own. Same counts for God Serena, Wahl and Brandish. God Serena could defeat her just like he did with the Gods of Ishgar, no doubt. Wahl could blast trough every armor Erza has with his Etherion Blast. Brandish could shrink her body and crush her.

 

[Crimson Ice]

They are equal in status not power, and again Makarov doesn't know how strong they all are and as I pointed it out before Brandish said they are equal in standing not fighting power.

There is no proof in the whole manga that shows the springan as equal in fighting power, manga feats show us the are equal in their military power as they are the 12 comanders but in fighting power there is a huge difference between them

They are not equal in status, Makarov when describing the 12 he was referring to their power or he wouldn't of said Augst was on another level, he doesn't have more influence than the 12 because they all hold the same title, he was CLEARLY referring to strength. Not to mention:


http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/443/26

"They are 12 more wizards of this POWER"


AGAIN we have direct statement that put most of the 12 ON THE SAME LEVEL, at this point you're just saying 'no they're not'.

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So you actually think that Ajeel is equal with someone as Di Maria? Di Maria has showed way more impressive feats than Ajeel. Erza could keep up with Ajeel, but do you think she can keep up with Di Maria as well? Erza would be one shotted once she is up against Di Maria on her own. Same counts for God Serena, Wahl and Brandish. God Serena could defeat her just like he did with the Gods of Ishgar, no doubt. Wahl could blast trough every armor Erza has with his Etherion Blast. Brandish could shrink her body and crush her.

Yes I do think he's on the same level, Ajeel got a poor showing, that's it. It's funny you bring up Erza, it really is, Ajeel was playing with Erza the whole time and he would of easily beat Erza if not for Jupiter despite her having armor supper effective against Ajeel. The Erza comparison isn't valid because Ajeel would of easily beat Erza one on one.

 

[BluePegasus]

Yes I do think he's on the same level, Ajeel got a poor showing, that's it. It's funny you bring up Erza, it really is, Ajeel was playing with Erza the whole time and he would of easily beat Erza if not for Jupiter despite her having armor supper effective against Ajeel. The Erza comparison isn't valid because Ajeel would of easily beat Erza one on one.

I agree with you that Ajeel is stronger than Erza one on one. But it's pretty obvious that Ajeel isn't as strong as Di Maria. Di Maria can stop time. There is no Spriggan that we've seen so far which could overpower Di Maria. If you seriously think that all Spriggans are equal, then please tell me how Ajeel could defeat Di Maria.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I agree with you that Ajeel is stronger than Erza one on one. But it's pretty obvious that Ajeel isn't as strong as Di Maria. Di Maria can stop time. There is no Spriggan that we've seen so far which could overpower Di Maria. If you seriously think that all Spriggans are equal, then please tell me how Ajeel could defeat Di Maria.

One, I never stated the Spirggans are all equal, just on the same level, it's like y'all don't even be reading my post correctly on this site. And two, if Ajeel was equal to Dimaria they wouldn't even be equal, Ajeel would be stronger so I don't get to point of even saying that.

 

[BluePegasus]

One, I never stated the Spirggans are all equal, just on the same level, it's like y'all don't even be reading my post correctly on this site. And two, if Ajeel was equal to Dimaria they wouldn't even be equal, Ajeel would be stronger so I don't get to point of even saying that.

1). I don't see a difference in being equal or being on the same level.
2). Wait, are you just saying that Ajeel is STRONGER than Di Maria?!

 

[Crimson Ice]

1). I don't see a difference in being equal or being on the same level.
2). Wait, are you just saying that Ajeel is STRONGER than Di Maria?!

1.) There's a big difference.
2.) Did you even read my post properly.....

 

[Brandish μ]

Moderator Notice:
Please stay on topic. Comparing Ajeel to Di Maria can be discussed in the Spriggan 12 General Thread or the Alvarez Power Ranking thread~ Brandish

 

[iDooom]

People need to realize that Wizard Saint is a title, nothing more. Pre-first TS Erza was WS level and did as well as Jura against the Oracion Seis. Erza was just below Laxus/Jura level in the GMG and Tartaros arcs, as shown by feats, portrayal, and the Tartaros demon stats. Thus, current Erza beats Jura fairly easily. Erza defeating Ajeel while > 4 x Jura got beaten by Serena is just further evidence of this.

 

[Shasha23]

People need to realize that Wizard Saint is a title, nothing more. Pre-first TS Erza was WS level and did as well as Jura against the Oracion Seis. Erza was just below Laxus/Jura level in the GMG and Tartaros arcs, as shown by feats, portrayal, and the Tartaros demon stats. Thus, current Erza beats Jura fairly easily. Erza defeating Ajeel while > 4 x Jura got beaten by Serena is just further evidence of this.

So are you implying Erza is the only 1 who grew in strength and Jura didn't?
We already know that Jura has been training to close the gap between him and the top 4, so your statement about Erza beating Jura pretty easily is laughable.

 

[Crimson Ice]

So are you implying Erza is the only 1 who grew in strength and Jura didn't?
We already know that Jura has been training to close the gap between him and the top 4, so your statement about Erza beating Jura pretty easily is laughable.

He never implied that, if anything his statement still stands, not to mention it doesn't really matter if Jura grew because Erza has the better growth rate.

 

[Shasha23]

He never implied that, if anything his statement still stands, not to mention it doesn't really matter if Jura grew because Erza has the better growth rate.

it was pretty clear as light when he said
"Erza was just below Laxus/Jura level in the GMG and Tartaros arcs, as shown by feats, portrayal, and the Tartaros demon stats. Thus, current Erza beats Jura fairly easily"
This easy to understand statement pretty much mean Erza is the only one who grew in strength and not Jura, id ont get how you didn't understand that at all

 

[Crimson Ice]

it was pretty clear as light when he said
"Erza was just below Laxus/Jura level in the GMG and Tartaros arcs, as shown by feats, portrayal, and the Tartaros demon stats. Thus, current Erza beats Jura fairly easily"
This easy to understand statement pretty much mean Erza is the only one who grew in strength and not Jura, id ont get how you didn't understand that at all

Again that doesn't mean Jura didn't grow at all. I don't know how you don't get that.

 

[Shasha23]

Again that doesn't mean Jura didn't grow at all. I don't know how you don't get that.

So for him being a league above Erza to Erza suddenly beating him low diff............................wait I guess your right, he didn't mean he didn't grow he meant he regressed.

My bad

 

[Crimson Ice]

So for him being a league above Erza to Erza suddenly beating him low diff............................wait I guess your right, he didn't mean he didn't grow he meant he regressed.

My bad

No that could imply Erza has a greater grwoth rate....Which she does. Or did you forget most of the main cast closed a 7 year gap with just 3 months of training.

 

[Shasha23]

No that could imply Erza has a greater grwoth rate....Which she does. Or did you forget most of the main cast closed a 7 year gap with just 3 months of training.

They awoke 2nd Origin that's why they doubled their power, but its different now, there is just no way Ezra can grow so much in a few month, not even the MC can grow in power that much