Fantasy TO Sherria vs. Laxus

[Crimson Ice]

You just can't say Laxus is stronger than Orga if they didn't fight. Jura and Orga didn't quite fought as well. Orga was defeated so easily because he was focused on his attack and didn't expect Jura to attack him directly. But yeah, in fact Jura defeated Orga. And yeah, Laxus defeated Jura. But this doesn't say Laxus would defeat Orga with extreme low diff. Before Jura's appearance, they showed of their magic power which looked kinda equal to me. Laxus is stronger than Orga thanks to his other feats like stamina and strategy. But their magic power is equal which was made pretty clear. That seems like proof to me that God Slayer Magic = Dragon Slayer Magic.



Isn't it kinda logic that we've seen more spells from Laxus since he is a main character and Chelia isn't? You can't base Laxus his win on his amount of spells. That's just stupid. You should compare the spells which Chelia has showed to an equal amount of spells Laxus has showed. Seems more fair to me. The spell Chelia used to defeat Di Maria is probably equal with Red Lightning, since these spells could defeat a Spriggan.



Did Dragon Slayer Magic defeat one of the seven dragons in the GMG arc? Nope. They weren't weak to Dragon Slayers. This means Di Maria isn't actually weak to God Slayer Magic. If she is, then tell me why dragons can take Dragon Slayer Magic.



Laxus was pretty much owned by Wahl before Freed's spell healed him. He couldn't do a thing against Wahl instead giving a view punches. Laxus was in a disadvantage against Wahl, but so was Chelia to Di Maria because everyone is.



Nope.

I can say Laxus is stronger because he beat the guy who stomped Orga. While Orga was paying attention to Jura, if he expected him to take the attack and was caught off guard by that then he's an idiot, nothing implied Orga is relatively close to Laxus or Jura. They showed off their magic, Orga detsroyed a house, Laxus tore down a whole street, Laxus won that little contest they had .


No that isn't logic, Rufus has multiple magic spells and he's not a main, just because you're a main doesn't mean you have a diverse move set. You are litreally making horrible excuse for Cheria fight now and you are assuming that her attack is on par with Laxus' one, which it's not.


They are weak to Dragon Slaying magic, the raw gap in their strenght was jst too large, you're rwaching badly and that was a really bad example. Cheria's magic was doing nothing to her before TO because the raw gap in powe not because the magic wasn't effective, same applies to Laxus and the dargons.


No Laxus fought on par with Wahl before the illness stopped his movements. Wahl literally got stronger off Laxus' magic and was being hindered by his illness, he literally faced his worst match up and won.


Yes he does maul her.

 

[BluePegasus]

I can say Laxus is stronger because he beat the guy who stomped Orga. While Orga was paying attention to Jura, if he expected him to take the attack and was caught off guard by that then he's an idiot, nothing implied Orga is relatively close to Laxus or Jura.

Again, I'm trying to say their magic is equal, NOT their power. Laxus is indeed stronger than Orga thanks to his other feats.

They showed off their magic, Orga detsroyed a house, Laxus tore down a whole street, Laxus won that little contest they had.

No one won their 'contest'. To me, it seems pretty clear their magic power is equal. Their spells are almost the same, but the type of lightning is different. Both of their magic is destructive as hell, but GMG Laxus his spells didn't show me more destruction than GMG Orga's.

No that isn't logic, Rufus has multiple magic spells and he's not a main, just because you're a main doesn't mean you have a diverse move set. You are litreally making horrible excuse for Cheria fight now and you are assuming that her attack is on par with Laxus' one, which it's not.

Please don't compare Rufus to Chelia. Rufus has multiple spells because his magic actually IS multiple spells. Rufus can use every spell, both Chelia and Laxus can't. You should compare Chelia to other side characters who are a God Slayer, not to a Memory-Make mage. We see more spells from main characters because they appear more than side characters. That's just logic.

They are weak to Dragon Slaying magic, the raw gap in their strenght was just too large, you're rwaching badly and that was a really bad example. Cheria's magic was doing nothing to her before TO because the raw gap in powe not because the magic wasn't effective, same applies to Laxus and the dargons.

Exactly. Chelia's God Slayer Magic didn't have a lot effect on a God.

No Laxus fought on par with Wahl before the illness stopped his movements. Wahl literally got stronger off Laxus' magic and was being hindered by his illness, he literally faced his worst match up and won.

Fought on par before the illness stopped? Lol. He couldn't do a thing against him. Laxus had a bad opponent, yes. But so had Chelia. Di Maria's magic is in an advantage against anyone. Both Laxus and Chelia defeated a Spriggan with a spell which looked kinda equal in power to me. Laxus didn't had a harder time against a Spriggan then Chelia. Both of them were overpowered before their power-up.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Again, I'm trying to say their magic is equal, NOT their power. Laxus is indeed stronger than Orga thanks to his other feats.



No one won their 'contest'. To me, it seems pretty clear their magic power is equal. Their spells are almost the same, but the type of lightning is different. Both of their magic is destructive as hell, but GMG Laxus his spells didn't show me more destruction than GMG Orga's.



Please don't compare Rufus to Chelia. Rufus has multiple spells because his magic actually IS multiple spells. Rufus can use every spell, both Chelia and Laxus can't. You should compare Chelia to other side characters who are a God Slayer, not to a Memory-Make mage. We see more spells from main characters because they appear more than side characters. That's just logic.



Exactly. Chelia's God Slayer Magic didn't have a lot effect on a God.



Fought on par before the illness stopped? Lol. He couldn't do a thing against him. Laxus had a bad opponent, yes. But so had Chelia. Di Maria's magic is in an advantage against anyone. Both Laxus and Chelia defeated a Spriggan with a spell which looked kinda equal in power to me. Laxus didn't had a harder time against a Spriggan then Chelia. Both of them were overpowered before their power-up.

If Laxus is stronger why are we even debating this? Though nothing proves their magic is equal.

No you mentioned the little contest they had, though it was anime only Laxus tore a city block while Orga only took one building down. Orga has displayed no spells that are similar to Laxus' he has even done his roar yet. You're in denial that's it.


Irrelevant even if we compare Laxis directly to Cheria he has more spells, using the excuse he's a main character is nothing more than an excuse.



Cheria's did when she got more powerful, it was literally stated that her magic was effective against Gods.


Yes he fought on par, neither dealt any significant damage. Post any scans of Wahl overpowering Laxus before he got ill, i'll wait. No Wahl literally gets powered up from Laxus' magic not comparable at all, Dimaria is just hax that;s completely different from ebing a bad match up, while the most hax part of her magic was restricted against Cheria regardless. Laxus and Wahl were on par before he got ill and Wahl was Laxus' worst match up for any Spirggan when look at their move sets.

 

[BluePegasus]

If Laxus is stronger why are we even debating this?

Because I was talking about their magic power.

No you mentioned the little contest they had, though it was anime only Laxus tore a city block while Orga only took one building down. Orga has displayed no spells that are similar to Laxus' he has even done his roar yet. You're in denial that's it.

There you have it, anime only. Orga's spell were as strong as Laxus his spells in the GMG arc. If you'd compare them you'll see how destructive Orga's spells are. You're just underrating Orga because he is a side character.

Irrelevant even if we compare Laxis directly to Cheria he has more spells, using the excuse he's a main character is nothing more than an excuse.

It's no excuse, it's just the truth. Is it so hard to understand that we see more from a main character than a side character?

Cheria's did when she got more powerful, it was literally stated that her magic was effective against Gods.

So is Dragon Slayer Magic against dragons. But did any Dragon Slayer defeat one of the seven dragons? No.

Yes he fought on par, neither dealt any significant damage. Post any scans of Wahl overpowering Laxus before he got ill, i'll wait.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/473/4

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/473/5

 

[kkck]

Come on, at this point it is quite clear shelia's magic was effective against dimaria. We saw her magic removing a part of her god takeover before third origin and after third origin shelia simply ended dimaria. Just that is enough to prove god slayer magic is every bit as effective against gods as dragon slayer magic against dragons and demon slayer magic against demons.

 

[BluePegasus]

Come on, at this point it is quite clear shelia's magic was effective against dimaria. We saw her magic removing a part of her god takeover before third origin and after third origin shelia simply ended dimaria. Just that is enough to prove god slayer magic is every bit as effective against gods as dragon slayer magic against dragons and demon slayer magic against demons.

It's indeed pretty clear that God Slayer Magic is effective against a God, but that doesn't mean a God Slayer directly has the upper hand when he/she fights a God. Because Chelia defeated Di Maria doesn't mean it was easy for her since she was a God Slayer. Dragon Slayers couldn't defeat dragons, so being a Slayer mage doesn't mean you can defeat your type with ease.

 

[kkck]

It's indeed pretty clear that God Slayer Magic is effective against a God, but that doesn't mean a God Slayer directly has the upper hand when he/she fights a God. Because Chelia defeated Di Maria doesn't mean it was easy for her since she was a God Slayer. Dragon Slayers couldn't defeat dragons, so being a Slayer mage doesn't mean you can defeat your type with ease.

True enough. Even with a slayer type magic you need a minimum of power in order to be effective... With the dragon slayers it was clear that even a gildarts class mage using slayer type magic was not enough to overcome the difference. To be fair though, the manga has given us reason to think slayer type magics can overcome significant differences in power. The dragon slayers didn't kill dragons but they were significantly more effective than makarov who at the time had greater power than the DS. With mard geer we have numbers showing how strong he actually was and grey was still able to end him in one hit. Shelia without third origin could do something to dimaria which is more than can be said about anyone else who fought her. In turn with third origin she took her out in a single hit which IMO shows way less power than that would have in theory been enough.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Because I was talking about their magic power.



There you have it, anime only. Orga's spell were as strong as Laxus his spells in the GMG arc. If you'd compare them you'll see how destructive Orga's spells are. You're just underrating Orga because he is a side character.



It's no excuse, it's just the truth. Is it so hard to understand that we see more from a main character than a side character?



So is Dragon Slayer Magic against dragons. But did any Dragon Slayer defeat one of the seven dragons? No.



http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/473/4

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/473/5

Laxus' magic power is greater.



No his spells weren't, nothing implies that at all nor does Orga have the feats to say his magic is on par with Laxus'.


No it is an excuse, Cheria has less spells and you're damaging controlling it.

They didn't simply because the gap in strength was too large, not because the magic was ineffective, hence why nobody but the dragonsayers could fight them.



So I ask you to post scans of Wahl overpowering Laxus before he got ill and you post scans of him overpowering Laxus RIGHT AFTER his body got stopped by the illness. Yeah you're done here.

 

[BluePegasus]

Laxus' magic power is greater.

No his spells weren't, nothing implies that at all nor does Orga have the feats to say his magic is on par with Laxus'.

No it is an excuse, Cheria has less spells and you're damaging controlling it.

They didn't simply because the gap in strength was too large, not because the magic was ineffective, hence why nobody but the dragonsayers could fight them.

Lol you're just saying this but you don't have any proof. You're looking at the bright side from Laxus and ignoring any feats from Chelia and Orga.

So I ask you to post scans of Wahl overpowering Laxus before he got ill and you post scans of him overpowering Laxus RIGHT AFTER his body got stopped by the illness. Yeah you're done here.

Laxus was ill the whole battle.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Lol you're just saying this but you don't have any proof. You're looking at the bright side from Laxus and ignoring any feats from Chelia and Orga.



Laxus was ill the whole battle.

No evidence? Laxus vastly over performed both Orga and Cheria in the arc. YOU have to provide evidence otherwise.


You know what I meant, he was fine until the illness stopped his movement. You know damn well what I meant you're just grasping at straws.

 

[BluePegasus]

No evidence? Laxus vastly over performed both Orga and Cheria in the arc. YOU have to provide evidence otherwise.

Again, that's just your opinion. You could at least say WHY you think that.

You know what I meant, he was fine until the illness stopped his movement. You know damn well what I meant you're just grasping at straws.

Actually, I did not know what you meant. He was ill the whole battle and that's a fact, so don't act like I'm stupid.

Well, no matter.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/472/10

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/472/16

 

[Crimson Ice]

Again, that's just your opinion. You could at least say WHY you think that.



Actually, I did not know what you meant. He was ill the whole battle and that's a fact, so don't act like I'm stupid.

Well, no matter.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/472/10

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/472/16

You know why. Or do I have to spell it out for you.

Laxus:

Beat all of Raven Tail by himself

Beat Jura, the person who was considered the strongest regular magic on the continent.

Cheria:

Draws with Wendy

Lost to Gray and Juvia

Orga:

One shots Quotero puppy fodder

Gets one shot by Jura, the guys Laxus beats.


IT IS A LAXUS OUTPERFORMED BOTH CHERIA AND ORGA. If you can't understand that I not only doubt your reading comprehension, but your basic ability to look at scans correctly.


You know what I meant but okay, keep back tracking.


LMAO that's not dominating, literally the scans before Laxus plants him into the ground and one page after the sceond sacn you posted Laxus plants him down before. Like I said, no dominating, it was an back and fourth fight. Nice try.

 

[BluePegasus]

You know why. Or do I have to spell it out for you.

Laxus:

Beat all of Raven Tail by himself

Beat Jura, the person who was considered the strongest regular magic on the continent.

Cheria:

Draws with Wendy

Lost to Gray and Juvia

Orga:

One shots Quotero puppy fodder

Gets one shot by Jura, the guys Laxus beats.

IT IS A LAXUS OUTPERFORMED BOTH CHERIA AND ORGA. If you can't understand that I not only doubt your reading comprehension, but your basic ability to look at scans correctly.

Please read the title of this thread.

TO Chelia vs. Laxus

TO = Third Origin

It's pretty clear that Laxus is (a lot) stronger than both Cheria and Laxus. BUT FOR THE LAST TIME:

I was talking about Laxus' and Orga's MAGIC POWER to be equal. The only thing you say is that Laxus is stronger than Orga because he defeated Jura. I'm not talking about their strength, is that so hard to understand?

Base Chelia isn't at the same tier as Laxus since she is younger. Firstly, I was comparing Chelia with Wendy since they are at the same age. Secondly, I was talking about her magic power. Third, this thread is about Third Origin Chelia which means I already know Base Chelia is weaker than Laxus.

PS. Nice explanation. Quite a shame you forgot about Orga's MPF Score.

You know what I meant but okay, keep back tracking.

You also know what I meant. When I compare Wendy with Chelia, you compare Laxus with Chelia. When I compare Laxus with Orga, you compare Jura with Orga. Is it so hard to do this fair for both sides in this fight?

LMAO that's not dominating, literally the scans before Laxus plants him into the ground and one page after the sceond sacn you posted Laxus plants him down before. Like I said, no dominating, it was an back and fourth fight. Nice try.

When did you say dominating? You said overpowering. Wahl overpowered Laxus there.

 

[Nemispelled]

Laxus wins. The power gap was already far to being with, Laxus being ahead. TO Chelia will boost Chelia close to Laxus, but not quite there yet.

 

[Ultimateasus]

Laxus wins
@BluePegasus
I think your problem is you think that using the same kind of magic while being the same age + having the same experience makes you equal in magic power.

For example, you think a third origin Gajeel will be equal to a third origin Laxus. I don't think that is right.

Sorry if I understood you wrong.

 

[Doughboy]

Laxus high-diff. Laxus is confirmed Spriggan level while TO Sherria is also Spriggan level at her highest point in her life. Laxus, based off power, will be able to beat her but it won't be a stomp at all, Sherria will rock him a good amount of times and heal herself until Laxus just overwhelms her

 

[Solitrine]

I think Laxus high diff. TO Chelia will be extremely hard to put down and definitely has the speed to rival him but we don't really know if she can do enough damage to him to be able to take him out. Her healing will make this a very long fight for Laxus.

 

[Crimson Ice]

I remember this so much nonsense I had to stop. Laxus still whoops her.

 

[Brandish μ]

The only real problem for Laxus is Sherria's ability to heal herself. Other than that he dominates for the most part. It's not high diff because I don't think Sherria actually has a chance.

 

[kkck]

Well, we really don't know how strong third origin shelia was. All we know is that third origin is by all intents and purposes the realization of her potential in a way. With that in mind there really isn't a limit to how strong she could be. I think the main issue here should be that her potential is ridiculous. Just look at how stupidly talented the girl is. Wendy was able to match her in combat but we have to consider wendy went through second origin. So shelia, at 11 years old, was able to match wendy and jubia, both mages who were powered up by second origin. If natsu from the start of the manga were to face shelia from when she was introduced he would get foderized ten times over. And natsu at the time was about 5 or 6 years older than shelia. If shelia is that strong then her fully realized unadulterated potential should be no laughing matter, springan level or not. It being higher than laxus' potential is by no means a stretch.