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Hardly. In what way do these characters have similar feats? Laxus attacks are portrayed as being able to one-shot average spriggans with a direct hit, Chelia can only one-shot a Spriggan with super effective magic. Chelias best speed feat is intercepting Dimarias laser, which DF Wendy was fast enough to perceive (and would have likely dodged had her leg not been damaged) whereas Laxus has outright blitzed a Spriggan. Chelias best physical strength feat is matching blows with DiMaria (who has not shown much physical strength herself) whereas Laxus is able to tango with someone who can send you a block away in physical strength. Chelias best durability feat is taking a blow from DiMaria to the face with decent damage (I consider her knocking the laser away a fusion of durability and physical strength) whereas Laxus has taken blows from a character far physically superior to DiMaria to the face with nothing but a small bruise. Chelia has the added healing factor, but that won't help her much when a direct him from anything other then regular punch/kicks from Laxus is OHKOing her.
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Chelia and Laxus defeated Spriggans of the same level. Even if one of them had a slayer advantage, I don't see how the difference would be so significant to the point where one defeats the other with Medium Difficulty.
By August implying that Ajeel would have died, hence why he opted to save him. I could settle for just doing major damage, but thats still WAY more then what Chelia can do.
No its not. Need I remind you that DeS Gray basically one-shotted Mard, who had just moments before tanked a secret art from DF Natsu. Chelia could have been GMG Laxus level and still one-shotted DiMaria with a super effective attack. She can't beat DiMaria without super effective magic, she even required help from Wendy. The PoF and nakama power argument is absolutely terrible, don't use it.
No, your talking about endurance right now, which I actually forgot to mention. Laxus took WAY WAY WAY more attacks then Chelia did, naturally he was hospitalized. In regards to durability, he took a physical blow from Wahl to the face and only received a bruise whereas Chelia took a physical blow from DiMaria to the face and started bleeding. Wahl has greater physical strength then DiMaria and Laxus still received a lot less damage then Chelia did from a blow therefore Laxus durability is far greater.
If he uses one of his more powerful lightning attacks then yes he is OHKOing her.
Indeed its not, but its still not that impressive in comparison to blitzing an actual Spriggan.
Yeah I agree that DiMaria is around as fast as Wahl, if not faster but Wahl only kept up with base Laxus speed. Once he uses lightning coat he is able to blitz him, so he can blitz Chelia.
I would reply to this whole post but I'm on phone but did you completely ignore the fact that Laxus fought Hades right after Wahl??????????????
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You clearly don't know what portrayal is it if you think they're equal. Chelia had everything in her favour and barely one won, the opposite was for Laxus and he still won.The only Spriggan Chelia can beat is a restricted Dimaria.....Even then Wendy had to help her.
Wait, Chelia had everything in her favour and Laxus didn't? That's certainly not true. Yes, Laxus did get affected by his illness when he fought Wall. But when his illness came into play, he was literally overpowered by Wall all the way around. I'm talking about the part of their fight when Laxus WASN'T affected by it, and he actually had many things in his favour. For example, Laxus all of a sudden received a new spell that was super effective against him. It brought him into an advantage just like Sherria was due to her God Slayer Magic.
Uhm, Wall was crushed into bits by the first spell that actually had effect on him. As for Dimaria, she was hit many times by attacks from full-powered Wendy and Sherria. She even withstood some attacks of TO Sherria, even though she had a slayer advantage. So yes, it's a fact. Unless you can show me where Wall showed off better durability feats.
The part he wasn't effected was right at theWait, Chelia had everything in her favour and Laxus didn't? That's certainly not true. Yes, Laxus did get affected by his illness when he fought Wall. But when his illness came into play, he was literally overpowered by Wall all the way around. I'm talking about the part of their fight when Laxus WASN'T affected by it, and he actually had many things in his favour. For example, Laxus all of a sudden received a new spell that was super effective against him. It brought him into an advantage just like Sherria was due to her God Slayer Magic.
I don't get why you even complain about Wendy using an enchantment on Sherria while Laxus' ass was literally saved by Freed's magic..
And yes, Dimaria was restricted. But unrestricted Dimaria >>>>>>> Wahl and restricted Dimaria ≈ Wahl.
Uhm, Wall was crushed into bits by the first spell that actually had effect on him. As for Dimaria, she was hit many times by attacks from full-powered Wendy and Sherria. She even withstood some attacks of TO Sherria, even though she had a slayer advantage. So yes, it's a fact. Unless you can show me where Wall showed off better durability feats.
Oh, and I'm talking about Chronos Dimaria not Base Dimaria. Chronos Dimaria didn't even flinch when DF Wendy attacked her
Laxus didn't use strong spells but neither did Chelia. Did we see her use high level God Slaying spells? No. Both of them pretty much defeated their respective Spriggans in one-hit. The only difference is that one was PoF and the other wasn't.
I don't know about Chelia, so I can't assume. But I wouldn't be surprised if August reacts the same way when Chelia uses high level god slaying spells (i.e. Heavenly Gathering of Clouds).
DeS Gray was on par with DF Natsu back in Tartaros. So the fact that Natsu could inflict quite a bit of damage only makes sense that Gray's magic would "one-shot" Mard Geer. I put it in quotation marks because it wasn't actually a true one-shot.
I'm not saying Endurance = Durability. But it is something that is also worth to consider.
The only way you can knock somebody out in one-hit is if it's a No Difficulty fight... which is not happening...
Depends actually. Chelia's speed is impressive in a way that she can maintain it for such a long time even when injured. Laxus' speed, on the other hand, is quite average... Not to mention, he can only gain a boost in speed for a short amount of time.
You mean a pre-timeskip Hades? The one that doesn't even have the actual power representation of the real Hades himself? Hades should be non-factor in his condition.
No, I'm complaining about what nonsense Red Lightning was. In the end it's nothing more than a plot armour which was created to get rid of Wall. "Lightning that surpasses lightning". Uhu, it was truly a pathetic way to end someone who was supposed to be IMMUNE to lightning. But anyway, that's not the case here. Red Lightning brought Laxus in an advantage against Wall, just like with Sherria's God Slayer Magic against Dimaria.
Whatever you're trying to say, Jutsu Shiki is Freed's magic which was even emphatically stated by Laxus himself.
Damn who do you think Laxus is? A god? He isn't "much" stronger than Wall. He is slightly above him, around the leagues of a low or mid Spriggan tier at most. Wall being defeated by an attack that was nothing more than a punch boosted by lightning did show his durability is pretty low. Not to mention that it was just one, single attack.
... yeah people need to stop acting like Laxus could low diff low-mid S12 lvl opponents when those low level S12 tiers give actual S12 trouble.
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So you're crying plot BS in order to try and downplay Laxus' victory. And no red lightning wasn't an advantage, Wahl not being immune to Laxus' attack isn't an advantage
And again, the part where Laxus' illness affected him in his fight against Wall isn't relevant here
HAHAHAHA. That in no way means that Justu Shiki is Freed's move that's Laxus thanking Freed for teaching him that.Whatever you're trying to say, Jutsu Shiki is Freed's magic which was even emphatically stated by Laxus himself.
I don't care if Laxus "activated" it. Freed wrote it, so Freed did save Laxus' ass out there. It's the same as Wendy saving Sherria with her enchantments. Both of them got help from behind the scenes.
Laxus is much stronger than Wahl. The second he was freed from his illness he one shot Freed. 'Nothing more than an attack boosted by lightning' HAHAHAHA by that logic anyone who loses to a dragon slayer is weak. Laxus is a top tier among the main characters and a high tier overall, not to mention red lightning should be one of his stronger moves, please get that bullshit out of here. If your only defense for Wahl's durability being low is saying red lightning is a punch with lightning around it, you don't have a good argument. Being one shotted by someone much stronger than you doesn't make you scrub.
Dude, Dimaria single handled a Dragon Slayer at its full power. That's already more impressive than being destroyed by some low AoE rated attack
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Please stop, Laxus was battered and brusied and Hades himself is still no pushover. Saying Hades is a non factor is striaght up ignroant because that is what pushed Laxus to his current condition, hence why he didn't pass out straight after the Wahl fight.Laxus didn't use strong spells but neither did Chelia. Did we see her use high level God Slaying spells? No. Both of them pretty much defeated their respective Spriggans in one-hit. The only difference is that one was PoF and the other wasn't.
As for Laxus not using Raging Bolt and Dragon Slaying magic, it doesn't matter because his Red Lightning is already his strongest attack.
By the way, I don't separate non-DS Laxus from DS Laxus. To me, they are the same. DS is not a power-up. It's just another set of spells that Laxus can utilize.
I don't know about Chelia, so I can't assume. But I wouldn't be surprised if August reacts the same way when Chelia uses high level god slaying spells (i.e. Heavenly Gathering of Clouds).
DeS Gray was on par with DF Natsu back in Tartaros. So the fact that Natsu could inflict quite a bit of damage only makes sense that Gray's magic would "one-shot" Mard Geer. I put it in quotation marks because it wasn't actually a true one-shot.
Technically speaking though, TO Chelia defeated Dimaria in her base form (not god soul). She only used her god slaying magic to revert Dimaria back to her original form. So even Chelia's magic was super effective, the outcome was still because of her power.
Let me explain it this way. Chelia was always a god slayer. That never changed. So why did she struggle against Dimaria to begin with? Because she just didn't have enough attack power... So Chelia at GMG Laxus' level would not be able to one-shot Dimaria, let alone defeat her. GMG Laxus is sort of fodder at this point (his attack power isn't sufficient in defeating a Spriggan even with slayer advantage). Anyways, going back to my original point. Chelia defeated Dimaria after receiving Third Origin. Why? Because her powers simply increased.
I'm not saying slayer advantage is a non-factor. But to say it is the main reason as to the reason why she defeated Dimaria? Not really.
I'm not saying Endurance = Durability. But it is something that is also worth to consider.
I also don't deny that Laxus has better durability. That much should be obvious. But to say he has more endurance than Chelia? I wouldn't agree, especially since Chelia can heal herself. She also demonstrated her stamina and endurance in her fight with Dimaria when she was in good condition after taking multiple blows.
Someone like Gray who is more susceptible to taking damage (he always has blood over his body), still lasts just as long as Natsu (who is known for having decent durability). Just look at their fight with Mard Geer. Gray took more damage and was still able to stand longer than Natsu. Does he have lower durability than Natsu? I don't think so even though some say he does. But the outcome is all that matters.
The only way you can knock somebody out in one-hit is if it's a No Difficulty fight... which is not happening...
Depends actually. Chelia's speed is impressive in a way that she can maintain it for such a long time even when injured. Laxus' speed, on the other hand, is quite average... Not to mention, he can only gain a boost in speed for a short amount of time.
I don't know about you but if we're talking about the whole duration of a fight, Chelia's speed is a lot better and more useful in a sense. Therefore, I would rate it equal to Laxus overall if not better).
You mean a pre-timeskip Hades? The one that doesn't even have the actual power representation of the real Hades himself? Hades should be non-factor in his condition.
In case you guys aren't getting the point of my posts, I'm not here to say TO Chelia > Laxus. But to say Laxus stomps TO Chelia? That has got to stop...
I might be wrong but i disagree with that. So one of us is wrong, that's what i want to clarify :P
