Discussion Could Silver Defeat Tartaros?

[LordOTaco]

Something I've always wondered and decided to do a video on is if Silver could have actually defeated Tartaros on his own. Without question even as a moving corpse Silver was extremely powerful with a mere swipe of his hand he was able to freeze Natsu solid and its often implied that he could have one shotted many of the Demon Gates. We see Gray one shot Tempester after all in the manga and Silver was likely stronger than Gray with greater mastery over devil slaying magic as evidenced by his lack of black curse markings. The biggest challenges in Silvers way would be for one keeping Keyes alive without killing him seeing as if Keyes dies then he does as well and its easy to assume that Keyes could have simply killed Silver at his command as a necromancer if he did ever decide to turn on them. Silver would without a doubt have to freeze Keyes solid and hope that he could kill the other demon gates before he ran out of time. Then there is Hell's Core he would have to freeze the tubes (not hard since they are seemingly filled with bane particles and other demonly goodness lol) and destroy them preventing the demon gates from reviving. While I do think Silver stands a chance with the demons one on one even Mard Geer if he fights too many at once I think he would be overwhelmed. Tell me what you guys think and feel free to check out my video below.

 

[Arjuna]

I don't think so.He alone would have been killed by Mard Geer.Add to that we have Keith who can un do the Necromancy Curse on Silver.

 

[GamerSkull]

I think he could probably take a few out. He'd probably lose to Keyes, Kyouka, or Mard Geer though, imo.

I also don't think he'd be able to handle too many opponents at once. He could probably do good against Franmalth, Seilah, and some of the others but if they all gang up on him, he might have trouble... I guess he could freeze them but I'm not sure how well his ice would affect them.

 

[Arjuna]

I think he could probably take a few out. He'd probably lose to Keyes, Kyoka, or Mard Geer though, imo.

I also don't think he'd be able to handle too many opponents at once. He could probably do good against Franmalth, Seilah, and some of the others but if they all gang up on him, he might have trouble... I guess he could freeze them but I'm not sure how well his ice would affect them.

Well as his ice is Des he can one shot everyone including Kyoka.As the difference between Silver and Kyoka is not much.Only Keith due to obvious reasons and Mard can defeat him.

 

[Seven777]

If Sliver can surprise Insta Freeze Keith for a few days i could see Silver doing it.

He oneshots all except Mard with ease. If Silver really was holding out on Gray and actually developed a demon form as was implied i'd say he'd stand a chance against Mard.

No way he can take em all at the same time though, he'd have to play it sneaky like and ambush/assassinate them when they're alone, or in pairs max.

 

[**Silver**]

If Sliver can surprise Insta Freeze Keith for a few days i could see Silver doing it.

He oneshots all except Mard with ease. If Silver really was holding out on Gray and actually developed a demon form as was implied i'd say he'd stand a chance against Mard.

No way he can take em all at the same time though, he'd have to play it sneaky like and ambush/assassinate them when they're alone, or in pairs max.

Gray overpowered Base Mard....

yeah agree Silver cant defeat all Tartaros members in the same time, even some weaker spriggans loses to these guys

 

[Zelefomavis]

Gray overpowered Base Mard....

yeah agree Silver cant defeat all Tartaros members in the same time, even some weaker spriggans loses to these guys

Which Spriggan do you see loosing to them ? With no help from plot, the spriggans would have destroyer FT imo, just like they did to those other guilds in the north
So as Tartaros does not benefit help from plot, I don't see them winning against any Spriggan.

Back ln topic, I think Silver could have wipedof Tartaros, but not facing all of them. He could have ambushed -> one shotted some, freeze Keith and just kill them one by one. I actually never understood why he did not

 

[**Silver**]

Which Spriggan do you see loosing to them ? With no help from plot, the spriggans would have destroyer FT imo, just like they did to those other guilds in the north
So as Tartaros does not benefit help from plot, I don't see them winning against any Spriggan.

Back ln topic, I think Silver could have wipedof Tartaros, but not facing all of them. He could have ambushed -> one shotted some, freeze Keith and just kill them one by one. I actually never understood why he did not

10 vs 1 fight
Jackal bombg curse
Mard thorns
Torafuza Tenci kaimei
Sayla support
Frandmalth transforms Hades Amaterasu 28 spell
Tempester cyclones

just to much firepower

no way someone like Brandish is surviving if whole Tartaros guild attacks from many different directions

 

[Zelefomavis]

10 vs 1 fight
Jackal bombg curse
Mard thorns
Torafuza Tenci kaimei
Sayla support
Frandmalth transforms Hades Amaterasu 28 spell
Tempester cyclones

just to much firepower

no way someone like Brandish is surviving if whole Tartaros guild attacks from many different directions

Yet but Brandish>> each of them individually and exceptif it s an ambush,I can see her oneshot all of them by making their head explode

 

[LordOTaco]

Wow good to see some discussion on this. Glad to see I'm not the only one who has thought about this. Yeah no doubt if he had to take em on all at the same time he'd probably lose. However, I think it is heavily implied that he had a rather elaborate plan to kill them all to include Keyes. He did say that he was covertly killing lesser demons and weakening those around him (which is crazy to think because even so they were crazy strong). I'd love to theorize what his plan would actually entail.

 

[Axiomus]

The first obstacle is obviously Keith. All Keith would have to do is stop his necromancy curse, and Silver would die. Silver would need a way to subdue Keith without undoing his curse.

Now assuming that he gets Keith out of the way, I think Silver can take on any of the demons in direct combat except Mard Geer. Gray during the Tartarus arc was more on less on SIlver's level. He might not have as much experience as Silver using the magic, but all the magical power was there. Momento Mori would leave Silver in a pretty bad state, and Mard would would be able to finish him off with relative ease. Kyouka and Seilah are also factors. Kyouka's ability to seal senses can potentially incapacitate Silver. I tend to believe Seilah's macro is overrated myself - but since there's a decent portion of fans who consider Macro to be unstoppable, I might as well throw this in.

All that said, Silver's devil slaying magic can potentially take any of them out if he lands a hit. So maybe instead of directly challenging Mard to a fight, he can stab him in the back while he's not expecting it. The same tactic can be used for Kyouka or Seilah. I guess the answer to this thread is really what type of plan Silver had.

 

[Tirl]

Something I've always wondered and decided to do a video on is if Silver could have actually defeated Tartaros on his own. Without question even as a moving corpse Silver was extremely powerful with a mere swipe of his hand he was able to freeze Natsu solid and its often implied that he could have one shotted many of the Demon Gates. We see Gray one shot Tempester after all in the manga and Silver was likely stronger than Gray with greater mastery over devil slaying magic as evidenced by his lack of black curse markings. The biggest challenges in Silvers way would be for one keeping Keyes alive without killing him seeing as if Keyes dies then he does as well and its easy to assume that Keyes could have simply killed Silver at his command as a necromancer if he did ever decide to turn on them. Silver would without a doubt have to freeze Keyes solid and hope that he could kill the other demon gates before he ran out of time. Then there is Hell's Core he would have to freeze the tubes (not hard since they are seemingly filled with bane particles and other demonly goodness lol) and destroy them preventing the demon gates from reviving. While I do think Silver stands a chance with the demons one on one even Mard Geer if he fights too many at once I think he would be overwhelmed. Tell me what you guys think and feel free to check out my video below.

Like we see, Silver has 3d best stats after Mard and Kyoka, but Seila with her ultimate form has almost base Mard's stats. So from those stats I think Silver can defeat more of demons, but will be having trouble with Seila and Mard.

Out those stats, I hope Silver can instantly kill (or seal) 7 gates, beat Mard in one on one fight with medium diff, and only Seila can make huge trouble even without macro.

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[BluePegasus]

Well, Seilah can easily prevent him from using magic. So no, absolutely not.

 

[Arjuna]

Like we see, Silver has 3d best stats after Mard and Kyoka, but Seila with her ultimate form has almost base Mard's stats. So from those stats I think Silver can defeat more of demons, but will be having trouble with Seila and Mard.

Out those stats, I hope Silver can instantly kill (or seal) 7 gates, beat Mard in one on one fight with medium diff, and only Seila can make huge trouble even without macro.

Spoiler

Wait where was it mentioned that Seilah's Ultimate form has same stats as Base Mard Geer?

 

[Tirl]

Wait where was it mentioned that Seilah's Ultimate form has same stats as Base Mard Geer?

Some demons on those cards have "powerup" stat. Seila's powerup stat = 4000. Other stats + 4000 = almost Mard.
But I can make a mistake, Im not so good in japanese

If you want, Kyoka with her powerup has the same full stats like Seila, but in different position. They are almost equal in ultimate form.
But I choose Seila as most dangerous opponent bc she uses long range and really damageable attack while Kyoka uses just physical claw swipe.

And I think both of their main ability (senses and macro) have no effect on Silver's dead body. First bc he is dead, second bc he already controlled by Keis.

 

[Seven777]

Some demons on those cards have "powerup" stat. Seila's powerup stat = 4000. Other stats + 4000 = almost Mard.
But I can make a mistake, Im not so good in japanese

If you want, Kyoka with her powerup has the same full stats like Seila, but in different position. They are almost equal in ultimate form.
But I choose Seila as most dangerous opponent bc she uses long range and really damageable attack while Kyoka uses just physical claw swipe.

And I think both of their main ability (senses and macro) have no effect on Silver's dead body. First bc he is dead, second bc he already controlled by Keis.

I believe those stats refer to the strength of their specific Curse attacks. For example Mard Geer's 1000 one is Thorn Bramble and his 5000 one is Alegria.
Seilah's stats are mediocre, but her abilities are by far the strongest of the Demon Gates.

Macro works on corpses, Seilah controlled the councilman's corpse

 

[Cosmicstar]

I strongly disagree with Hiro stats as most don't even match the character feats,

For example Sayla has 2000 curse power versus Jackal Has 600.

Jackal in base is City level

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While Sayla is only room Level in limit release

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Same as Ezel a room level attacker have better attack stats than Jackal or Sayla who has shown better attack feats. Alot of stuff simply don't add up.


So if I was judging rather Silver could defeat Tartarous I would never go off stats and rather go off feats.

 

[Arjuna]

Some demons on those cards have "powerup" stat. Seila's powerup stat = 4000. Other stats + 4000 = almost Mard.
But I can make a mistake, Im not so good in japanese

If you want, Kyoka with her powerup has the same full stats like Seila, but in different position. They are almost equal in ultimate form.
But I choose Seila as most dangerous opponent bc she uses long range and really damageable attack while Kyoka uses just physical claw swipe.

And I think both of their main ability (senses and macro) have no effect on Silver's dead body. First bc he is dead, second bc he already controlled by Keis.

Can you please post the stats picture of their enhanced form?I am curious.

 

[Seven777]

I strongly disagree with Hiro stats as most don't even match the character feats,

For example Sayla has 2000 curse power versus Jackal Has 600.

Jackal in base is City level

Spoiler

While Sayla is only room Level in limit release

Spoiler

Same as Ezel a room level attacker have better attack stats than Jackal or Sayla who has shown better attack feats. Alot of stuff simply don't add up.


So if I was judging rather Silver could defeat Tartarous I would never go off stats and rather go off feats.

Size doesnt mean shit, otherwise Jackal>every Demon Gate as well as Mard Geer

 

[Invel > Zeref]

Jackal in base is City level

Jackals 'city level' suicide explosion couldn't even kill or knockout a cat. The range of his attacks means absolutely nothing if it isn't strong enough to do significant damage to his opponents.