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That was just a skin she damaged. Underneath that skin however showed Erza didn't actually harm Irene in the slightest.I agree with you, but Erza harm Irene with her own sword
That was just a skin she damaged. Underneath that skin however showed Erza didn't actually harm Irene in the slightest.I agree with you, but Erza harm Irene with her own sword
He doesn't think DS are a threat he wants to kill them bcs he wants to eradicate the presence of Dragons on Earthland. Why would Acno admit he's scared of anything when he has a huge ego. No it clearly shows that the town was affected otherwise the clock would've been moving. The entire town was stopped in time as well, Hiro showed it to show her TS affected everything on the battlefield. Ultear was affected as well and she was near Crocus last time we seen her so that means time stopped around her as well.he also think ds are a threat that why he killing them does that mean ds>acno?? Again assumption ingeel said that doesn't mean anco himself think so if that the case zeref wouldn't think the END can't kill him and let him kill ancologia. The clock in the town doesn't show the whole time is frozen in time it's could be a AOE attack. I need proof bro
Irene is a human. Irene is a dragon. It is her two state. Human is not a skin, it is still her body, just without scales and wings.That was just a skin she damaged. Underneath that skin however showed Erza didn't actually harm Irene in the slightest.
No she didn't. She noted when she took damage from before and it was from Wendy. She didn't even flinch to Erza's attack. When she unsheathe her skin to her Dragon form it showed she was not harmed at all.Lol what??? Stop just stop she took damage
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Zeref stated her human form is just a skin and that she was still a Dragon underneath. Irene's whole shtick was becoming human again.Irene is a human. Irene is a dragon. It is her two state. Human is not a skin, it is still her body, just without scales and wings.
You don't think mages can heal themself? Mard was harmed in fight with Natsu and Gray, but after his transformation all scratch are disappeared.No she didn't. She noted when she took damage from before and it was from Wendy. She didn't even flinch to Erza's attack. When she unsheathe her skin to her Dragon form it showed she was not harmed at all.
The difference is tho is that Irene isn't a transformation as the human form is just a skin that covers her Dragon form. Also when she got slashed by the DS sword the same slash attack was on her human form which shows that if she actually hurt then the damage goes to both forms. Irene has only stated she was hurt from Wendy, but never did she say she was hurt from Erza.You don't think mages can heal themself? Mard was harmed in fight with Natsu and Gray, but after his transformation all scratch are disappeared.
no@Tirl just show u a panel but ur denying it right now. That not the point the point she is damageable erza can damage Irene doesn't matter if she tank it or notHe doesn't think DS are a threat he wants to kill them bcs he wants to eradicate the presence of Dragons on Earthland. Why would Acno admit he's scared of anything when he has a huge ego. No it clearly
shows that the town was affected otherwise the clock would've been moving. The entire town was stopped in time as well, Hiro showed it to show her TS affected everything on the battlefield. Ultear was affected as well and she was near Crocus last time we seen her so that means time stopped around her as well.No she didn't. She noted when she took damage from before and it was from Wendy. She didn't even flinch to Erza's attack. When she unsheathe her skin to her Dragon form it showed she was not harmed at all.
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Irene took damage from both, not just Wendy.No she didn't. She noted when she took damage from before and it was from Wendy. She didn't even flinch to Erza's attack. When she unsheathe her skin to her Dragon form it showed she was not harmed at all.
It's not that simple. Irene's dragon form does in fact have more defense than her human form. That was made clear when Irene said Erza couldn't slash through her dragon scales.It's not that complicated. Irene is an actual Dragon, and her Dragon appearance doesn't necessarily have greater defense than her human appearance because she's actually a Dragon underneath that fake skin. It's like Aizen (transcend caccon stage) bleeding from Isshin's GT but the real Aizen wasn't damaged whatsoever, only the shell bled. .
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Gray's magic power is not as low as you think.This is ludicrous. Since when does Gray's magic power surpass a god. His magic power doesn't even surpass Makarov's, and all spriggan surpass Makarov's magic power (except Bloodman). Gray cant bypass Age Seal. People are mixing his prowess as a fighter with his MP level.
When Dimaria was beaten by END, she said END's power surpasses even that of the god of time, so what i got from that is that you need power level that surpasses even Chronos. Also, Brandish's power didnt work on the demon seed because it far surpasssed her power, which means the main factor why Natsu was able to move freely in a time stop is solely because of the demon seed ( ok the last part is just a theory, but it has a backbone).
That was most likely a figurative statement. If Age Seal was truly an all-world spell, Dimaria should have much more MP than anybody else (which is not true as we saw with E.N.D). The fact that Dimaria casually stands without any signs of fatigue while Age Seal is activated means the spell is most likely not what it was described to be.Also Dimaria's Age seal is an all-world spell. She even stated that when she casts her magic, she becomes alone in the world, even the wiki is stating that its an all-world spell.
Again that's a shell, and she was hurt from Wendy's DS attack before. Erza after try to split her head in two and that didn't even phase her. Not even Acno after stomping on her dead body could destroy it bcs there's a Dragon underneath that shell. .Irene took damage from both, not just Wendy.
It's not that simple. Irene's dragon form does in fact have more defense than her human form. That was made clear when Irene said Erza couldn't slash through her dragon scales.
I think the confusion here mostly stems this. When we differentiate between "human" and "dragon", we're talking about her physiology and power. Both of which change and are dependent on each other. What doesn't change is her identity and qualities (which is what Zeref was referring to when he said she wasn't exactly human).
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Gray's magic power is not as low as you think.
And this was right before his fight with E.N.D.
That was most likely a figurative statement. If Age Seal was truly an all-world spell, Dimaria should have much more MP than anybody else (which is not true as we saw with E.N.D). The fact that Dimaria casually stands without any signs of fatigue while Age Seal is activated means the spell is most likely not what it was described to be.
That said, we don't know of it's radius. However, if it truly was an all-world spell, I'd imagine Hiro Mashima would emphasize it like he did with Irene's Universe One (which is currently one of the largest AoE spells in the entire series).
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Irene isn't human period it has been stated this a multitude of times. Her real body is a Dragon and Human form is just a cover.Irene is a human. Irene is a dragon. It is her two state. Human is not a skin, it is still her body, just without scales and wings.
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@Tirl @Laxus pwns natsuIt's not that complicated. Irene is an actual Dragon, and her Dragon appearance doesn't necessarily have greater defense than her human appearance because she's actually a Dragon underneath that fake skin. It's like Aizen (transcend caccon stage) bleeding from Isshin's GT but the real Aizen wasn't damaged whatsoever, only the shell bled. .
thank u for explaining that part.Irene took damage from both, not just Wendy.
It's not that simple. Irene's dragon form does in fact have more defense than her human form. That was made clear when Irene said Erza couldn't slash through her dragon scales.
I think the confusion here mostly stems this. When we differentiate between "human" and "dragon", we're talking about her physiology and power. Both of which change and are dependent on each other. What doesn't change is her identity and qualities (which is what Zeref was referring to when he said she wasn't exactly human).
Igneel said it to Acno. Acno has a ego the size of Antarctica why would he admit to fearing END?thank u for explaining that part.
@Jko anco doesnt fear anything is the point he never said he fear END. Ingeel saying that mean its true end of story. erza damage irene simple as that. irene isnt reality warper do u know what that means? that like saying that wendy is also a reality waper because she encounter irene enchantment moves. enchantment is enchantment even acno explain what her power does. so dimaria no diff human irene be4 she get a chance to do anything (according to logic) dimaria using TS show that it affected the battlefield not the whole world. in fact ultear doesnt even know how she got to where she was but didnt show the panel of laxus and wall that doesnt mean they were affected they are not in the same battlefield. her range isnt that big it doesnt affected the whole world or else she would be extremely exhausted plus it would she has more MP than irene and august. this partial END ur talking about is all assumption i need proof that isnt the full END. the same END oneshotted dimaria but cant oneshot gray? also was causally stop by erza so what ur logic there?? end was overhyped. i told that like i said if END was that powerful zeref would let end kill him and proceed s to kill acno.
@natsulucy no she wasnt http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/521/9
what im getting at is both of the magic work on each other. and they was never proof that both of their magic will work on END nor DES gray that my point it works in their base form.
i know that END didnt use any name spells but im saying that END=DES gray able to tank and keep up with END is somehow impressive just how its impressive that END can take damage from des gray. they are equal. end breaks age seal so can gray its powersscaling and common sense
END was conscious he knew he was fighting gray he even told gray to get out of the way because he wanted to fight zeref
That was after casting Command T.Brandish had said in chapter 503 to hand-cuff Dimaria to stop her from casting Age Seal.But anyway it doesn't matter.thank u for explaining that part.
@Jko anco doesnt fear anything is the point he never said he fear END. Ingeel saying that mean its true end of story. erza damage irene simple as that. irene isnt reality warper do u know what that means? that like saying that wendy is also a reality waper because she encounter irene enchantment moves. enchantment is enchantment even acno explain what her power does. so dimaria no diff human irene be4 she get a chance to do anything (according to logic) dimaria using TS show that it affected the battlefield not the whole world. in fact ultear doesnt even know how she got to where she was but didnt show the panel of laxus and wall that doesnt mean they were affected they are not in the same battlefield. her range isnt that big it doesnt affected the whole world or else she would be extremely exhausted plus it would she has more MP than irene and august. this partial END ur talking about is all assumption i need proof that isnt the full END. the same END oneshotted dimaria but cant oneshot gray? also was causally stop by erza so what ur logic there?? end was overhyped. i told that like i said if END was that powerful zeref would let end kill him and proceed s to kill acno.
by the way erza was able to damage her skin http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/516/14 . so again she can be damage
@natsulucy no she wasnt http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/521/9
what im getting at is both of the magic work on each other. and they was never proof that both of their magic will work on END nor DES gray that my point it works in their base form.
i know that END didnt use any name spells but im saying that END=DES gray able to tank and keep up with END is somehow impressive just how its impressive that END can take damage from des gray. they are equal. end breaks age seal so can gray its powersscaling and common sense
END was conscious he knew he was fighting gray he even told gray to get out of the way because he wanted to fight zeref
sigh ingeel saying to acno doesnt mean its true idk why its hard to understand partIgneel said it to Acno. Acno has a ego the size of Antarctica why would he admit to fearing END?
Erza didn't hurt Irene. Erza's sword attack to Irene's head didn't even phase her. Only Wendy hurt Irene w/DS magic.
What? Wendy isn't a high enchanter so that's null. Do you know what a reality warper is? Irene's enchantments have shown things that defy the law of physics.
They're in Hargeon, the clock was stopped in Hargeon therefore Laxus v Wall was stopped as well. It's not rocket science. They are all in the same battlefield. S12 have insane MP so no she wouldn't be exhausted.
Ultear was by Crocus. Crocus is about 1000 km from Magnolia. That means Ultear affected Hargeon to Crocus so again her range is huge.
Again Natsu held back against Gray but he was bloodlusted against DiMaria, and attacked her base form from behind, and went frenzy on her. So the two fights are not comparable. Natsu isn't END yet as he is still sealed. Erza would get stomped by DiMaria yet easily stopped a bloodlusted Gray's punch as well as partial END. You're overhyping Gray to levels he's not at. Gray and everyone on Hargeon would've been stomped by Dim. I'm honestly wondering why you think Hiro pulled out a time mage and a max potential God Slayer that was buffed by Wendy, if all it took was Gray or Laxus to beat her? It's bcs they can't. Gray only won Invel bcs he plot stole Invel's ice. That's it. Unlike Invel he has zero advantages against DiMaria. He would be trashed pretty easily.
Skipped most of the posts here as I value my braincells. But did anyone point out that END wasn't even close to being END yet? Gray fought with partial END, at best. Nothing to scoff at, but still.Top 4 Participants in Group B
1) August
Clearly, August will be the last one standing. Nobody in this group uses holder-type magic. Not to mention, he was able to overwhelm Gildarts who is arguably one of the strongest mages in this group.
2) Gildarts Clive
Again, this one is pretty straightforward. Gildarts is known to be one of Ishgar's strongest mages. The fact that his disassembly magic worked on August means he should have no trouble replicating the same feat to anyone else in this group.
3) Gray Fullbuster
Being able to match E.N.D in an all out fight is not something to laugh at. Despite the slayer advantage, he still demonstrated other noteworthy feats (durability-wise).
I don't see any slayer advantage here. With that said, Gray should be capable of beating medium-tier spriggans like Bloodman and Dimaria.
4) Bloodman
I just don't see what Dimaria can do to Bloodman that would render him unable to fight... First of all, it isn't proven whether her Age Seal would have any effect on Bloodman or not. Secondly, even if she were to use Age Seal, she has no means of defeating him. All physical attacks are useless. There are literally only two ways for Bloodman to get hit. Either the attack contains properties of magic barrier particles or enough firepower is put in to obliterate his body in one shot. None of which Dimaria has...
5) Dimaria Yesta
As others have pointed out, whether Dimaria uses Age Seal in the beginning of the fight or at the end, August would cancel it. Why? Because he instantaneously copies and cancels anything that affects him. In a way, having less AoE is more advantageous in this group. Also, assuming Dimaria isn't able to beat Bloodman, I still don't see how she would be able to defeat Gray either. Her laser beams were deflected by Sherria (who should be comparable to Gray) and every other attack she's shown hasn't been that impressive.
6) Neinhart
In theory, he should be a threat. But with the Spriggan Historias being the most powerful beings he has ever created, I don't see him making it into the top 4. Especially since every mage above him can easily take down those historias...
7) Midnight
While it's true that Minerva has better feats than Midnight, it's only because she has more feats. Going off of hype, I think Oración Seis as a whole are somewhat formidable opponents. Irene sent Juliet + Hynhe to fight them. Meanwhile, Sabertooth was utterly humiliated in the north. I can see this going both ways though.
8) Minerva
Like I previously mentioned, it is too close to call who will be eliminated first. I honestly think Minerva and Midnight have an equal chance of being defeated. Although, I will admit, her teleportation magic might come in handy.
Yes, Partial END.Skipped most of the posts here as I value my braincells. But did anyone point out that END wasn't even close to being END yet? Gray fought with partial END, at best. Nothing to scoff at, but still.
Well, I do agree it's not clear who would win between Gray and E.N.D. I don't mind if you were to say E.N.D wins. My point here is that matching E.N.D is no small feat. Even if it was partial E.N.D. Just curious, but do you have partial E.N.D above or below Bloodman/Dimaria? That is mainly my argument here.Elite Ace was saying Gray matching END is proof, but I'm disagreeing and saying it's him matching evenly with partial END that should be taken as proof. WE don't know how powerful END is, and maybe he could have beaten Gray as he was at the moment.